shouLd you be abLe to caLL the poLice if someone is smoking near you?

[sniffa]

i mean, everyone knows, second hand smoke is deadLy, so that if someone infringes on your right to breathe cLean air, shouLd they be charged with assauLt and battery? i think attempted homicide, is overdoing it, but simpLe assauLt shouLd be justified.

why shouLd my Lungs be assauLted whiLe waLking down the street, or eating at a drive thru, or sitting in my car?

who's with me?

[RB TexLa]

1. And every time a car passes by as well?

I think I'd much rather breath tobacco smoke than a car's exhaust.

The drivers should face assault charges?

[sniffa]

5. don't be siLLy

smokers don't have to smoke. peopLe have to drive. if they choose to smoke, they're choosing to try to kiLL me, or at Least incapacitate my Lungs.

[sinkingfeeling]

24. People have to drive? Who puts the gun to their heads and forces them to drive?

[Clark2008]

65. People have to drive?

Since when?

[CreekDog]

123. second hand smoke is probably more harmful than car exhaust

For a bunch of reasons:

your distance from the exhaust
your closeness to second hand smoke
the anti pollution devices on a car
the many more chemicals in cigarette smoke

[Flabbergasted]

160. What do we have smog alerts for....?

We don't have Tobacco alerts.

Tobacco has no serious role in global warming either unlike automobiles.

[CreekDog]

164. You are mixing everything up

Smog alerts are based on ambient air quality (google "NAAQS" and find out more). Smog alerts are a regional alert for a short time frame (large area, short time span (1 day)

Tobacco does not affect "ambient" air quality on the same scale as the alerts are designed to deal with, thus no alerts coming from the same source.
(tiny area, time span unknown).

That tobacco is not implicated in Global Warming does not make it better.

Did you know that Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) removes Ozone (O3) from the air? That doesn't mean NO2 is not a pollutant --it is.

You need to apply some stepwise reasoning to your point:

1)protect us on a global level in the long term from global warming
2)protect us on a regional level in the short term from unhealthy spikes in Ozone and Particulate pollution.
3)protect us on the small spatial scale in the short term from exposure to unhealthy carcinogens and compounds that cause or exacerbate respiratory problems by dealing with cigarette smoking.

Got it? If you are on board with all 3, I'm happy to go along.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

176. Yeah...That's the same.

:eyes:

[RebelOne]

2. I'm not with you because I am a smoker.

I try not to smoke around non-smokers, and I don't feel that I should be charged with simple assault if my smoke accidently heads in your direction.

[Booster]

54. One thing I've always found interesting is that in Las Vegas when

people are gambling NO ONE is bothered by smoke. Also have you noticed when you go out for a smoke and find a spot where you're totally alone, the minute you light up there's always somebody who walks right up to you and starts coughing. There's assholes on both sides of this fence.

[seabeyond]

69. actually i found, i go out and away from anti smoking friends to have a smoke

and they follow me all over the place. i keep moving away and then finally in frustration show my cig and say i am smoking, backing away and swishing arm frantically to keep the deadly smoke away from them, ONLY to have them wave it off saying it is not a big deal after hearing lectures, rants and condescending views of the smoker.

i stand there flabbergasted with these ANTI smoking friends in their absurdity.

[CreekDog]

124. I'm bothered by smoke in the Vegas casinos (lots are)

I wish they would open non smoking casinos.

I know it's not good to be breathing all that second hand smoke.

[Booster]

135. Most of the casinos have no smoking rooms, but you hardly ever

see very many people in them. My observation is that people will risk their lives just to keep gambling, and it is just as hard for the gambler to quit and walk away as it is for the smoker to quit. I know you're going to say "but my gambling doesn't bother you" - that's not really the point. I'm talking about quitting bad habits and these habits are both hard to break - I know because I smoke and gamble. ha

[CreekDog]

140. Gambling harms my health too, by increasing my risk of lung cancer

Sheesh.

[Booster]

143. Then quit gambling. Easy enough.

[CreekDog]

145. Apparently smoking kills brain cells

[Booster]

148. Probably does, but so does the sound "ding, ding, ding". I think

you missed my point entirely. I'm just saying it's hard to break bad habits no matter what those habits are.

[CreekDog]

150. When was the last time you were in a casino???

Ding, ding?

1985?

More like "WHEEL...OF...FORTUNE!", BEEP, BLOOP, ETC.

[CreekDog]

151. Well, you missed my point

Which was that it wasn't the gambling that was harming my health, but the adjacent smoking.

[Booster]

157. Oh, nevermind.

[Egnever]

183. They did

It failed misserably.

Of course that was over ten years ago maybe it would do better now.

[bonito]

3. Just move away

Same thing you you'd do if someone fart near ya.
;)

[shimmergal]

188. Hold on, everyone.

The smoke in the casinos _does_ bother me; it's not the ambient smoke but that coming from nearby smokers who just light one cigarette after another.

And why not move? Well, normally you do, but if you've just found a machine that's in a winning-streak cycle you don't want to give up till it starts to turn.

If the casinos would just divide their areas 50-50 between smoking & non-smoking it would be OK.

Instead, we got a backlash with an initiative that forces small bars to decide between serving food and allowing smoking. Dumb! If you're going to serve alcohol OF COURSE food should be available too.

The major casinos are untouched by this new law, of course.

[babylonsister]

4. No. We're close enough to a police state; this is over the top. nt

[sniffa]

7. i Like nanny state better

but shouLd a cop tazer a smoker who refuses to put out his cigarette?

[babylonsister]

14. That's a great idea!

:eyes:










I know you're a big kidder, too! :P

[orleans]

90. yes, taz all the smokers no matter if they are in the process of smoking or not

then get those tazers out for the perfume/aftershave freaks who pollute the air and my lungs with their clouds of chemicals that make me wheeze and sneeze

then i think we should start tazing people for looking weird or ugly--i mean, it's an abomination that others should be forced to look at someone who is not attractive or pleasant looking

...hum...what else?

[CreekDog]

125. No, just stop the public smoking

You can't drink in public, don't smoke in public.

And we are not suggesting it apply to other things, YOU ARE.

[orleans]

137. how fucking far do you want to bend over? how far are you willing to go?

[CreekDog]

139. Smoking is not a civil right if the smoke affects others

How far to go? Well whatever helps people not be exposed to second hand cigarette smoke.

[orleans]

141. neither is alcohol--but i'm not for banning beer just because

some people get obnoxiously drunk and piss me off

[CreekDog]

146. If they got drunk and harmed you, that's already illegal

If you smoke and your smoke harms someone else, that's legal.

So, your comparison is not apt, NOT APT I TELL YA!

[Hutzpa]

154. You've been buzzing like a fly

thinking that its A ok to call the cops on second hand smoking, are you just trying to be funny, because the OP was being funny. :shrug:

[CreekDog]

155. Actually I didn't say it was okay to call the cops on secondhand smoke

Unless there's some rule against it.

However, you are right that I've been having some fun on this thread expressing my issues against smoking, some of them are silly

But my feelings against secondhand smoke, while not necessarily asking for police to deal with it, I totally support ordinances that restrict smoking to places where it cannot expose anybody else to it.

If that makes life hard for folks, well, sorry smoking is optional, breathing is not.

[orleans]

180. well, then we better start banning bonfires, cook outs, the burning

of incense, hair spray, and various aerosols because they can trigger asthma attacks. so can strong perfumes and colognes, and CATS!

i know children and adults DIE from asthma attacks (and cigarette smoke is NOT the only thing that triggers an asthma attack)

are all of the above mentioned items on your ban-wagon as well? i doubt it. but if you're so righteous about one aspect (cigarette smoke) then why not the rest?

btw--i found these stats on asthma deaths. i don't know what the death rate is for second hand smoke. do you?

In 2003, 4,055 people died from asthma, or 1.4 per 100,000 people (Figure 7). Among children, asthma deaths are rare. In 2003, 195 children died from asthma, or 0.3 deaths per 100,000 children compared to 1.4 deaths per 100,000 adults. Puerto Ricans were the most likely to die from asthma and had asthma death rate 360% higher than non-Hispanic white people. Non-Hispanic black people had an asthma death rate 200% higher than non-Hispanic white people. Females had an asthma death rate 45% higher than males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/hestats/ashtma03-05/asthma03-05.htm

[Raejeanowl]

182. Orleans, You Forgot...

Wood-burning fireplaces, especially the outdoor patio/deck kind. And open scrub, twig and leaf burning where it's not already prohibited.

[orleans]

185. silly me! how could i forget & leave those out?? n/t

[Raejeanowl]

186. Smoke Got In Your Eyes, My Friend n/t

[niyad]

193. can't drink in public places? what the HELL do you think a bar is?

[CreekDog]

197. a private place

[PassingFair]

168. Fat people. Don't forget to taze the fat people....

They smell like french fries when you taze them.

:sarcasm:

[timtom]

163. There is also a good possibility...

that the police will mistakenly tase the person making the 911 call, things being what they are these days.

[SparkyMac]

202. How about just one warning shot to the head ?

I'm partly kidding. I quit a long time ago and avoid smokers like the plague. It's a filthy habit and no one benefits from smoking except tobacco companies.

[lonestarnot]

6. And an old truck, and a toaster for burning the toast, and an airplane that flies

within a 50 mile radius and well you get the fucking point.

[Solly Mack]

8. I'm told second-hand smoke is worse and will kill you quicker

So light up and live longer!

I couldn't resist.

Well, I could...but fuck it, why?

:)

[sniffa]

10. eh, who knows

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

16. I made it through childhood saying just that

:)

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Told By Whom?

The CDC study (2000) of which i was a member of the peer review committee, labeled 2nd hand smoke as a Class II irritant.

That means zero evidence of IDLH, and minimal correlation to carcinogenicity, mutagenicity, or teratogenicity.

I'm not saying it's not annoying to those around a smoker, but where did you hear that it kills you faster than the things in the OP?
The Professor

[Solly Mack]

22. It's called a joke

Sorry...I won't do it again!

[ProfessorGAC]

29. Sorry. Went Right Past Me!

Forget what i said. My bad.
The Professor

[tandot]

62. You forgot to post links to support your claim. Here are my links:

http://www.cancernews.com/data/Article/329.asp

<snip>

In 2000, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) formally listed secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen in The U.S. National Toxicology Program’s 10th Report on Carcinogens. The most recent report can be found at http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/toc11.html on the Internet.

<snip>

Here is the actual report: http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/toc11.html

Scroll down to Tobacco Related Exposures and click on the link.


11th Report on Carcinogens

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Public Health Service
National Toxicology Program
Pursuant to Section 301(b) (4) of the Public Health Service Act as Amended by Section 262, PL 95-622

Tobacco Related Exposures
Introduction
Tobacco contains more than 2,500 chemical constituents, many of
which are known human carcinogens. Chewing tobacco and snuff are
the two main forms of smokeless tobacco used in the United States.
Tobacco smoking produces both mainstream smoke, which is drawn
through the tobacco column and exits through the mouthpiece during
puffing, and sidestream smoke, which is emitted from the smoldering
tobacco between puffs.
Environmental tobacco smoke, smokeless tobacco, and tobacco
smoking were first listed (separately) in the Ninth Report on
Carcinogens (2000). The profiles for these compounds, which are
listed (separately) as known to be a human carcinogen, follow this
introduction.

<snip>

More info at link.

[ProfessorGAC]

63. Now Three Times

You're tedious. My links are that i was involved in the study. You, on the other hand, have posted the same information three times that has nothing to do with what i said.

Give it a rest.

The chemicals on that list are either confirmed or suspected carcinogens, yes.


However, every single one of them has well-established TWA's or TLV's. The concentrations achievable in the average room from cigarette smoke do not even approach the TWA considered to be provably unhealthy. That's why the CDC study said what it said.

You don't know enough science to have your nose this out of joint.

The Professor

On Edit: I'm out. I have no interest in debating such obvious scientific principles with you. I doubt your either capable or willing to get it.

[tandot]

67. "...My links are that i was involved in the study"

Yes, I totally believe any claims I read on the Internet. No supporting evidence needed.

[TahitiNut]

195. Facts get trampled in the ravenous rush to kill the demons among us.

The idiocy is seemingly boundless. I guess folks don't notice that smokers aren't dropping dead within days or weeks of inhaling concentrations immeasurably greater and more frequent than the life-threatening sidestream smoke in some outdoor venue.

[Clark2008]

66. Yay!

I was going to post that, but it sounds better coming from you since you were a member of the review board.

I read about that just the other day.

[Individualist]

87. Not only does science back up what you say,

common sense should tell anyone that if second hand smoke were as dangerous as some would have us believe, no one who was alive in the 40's and 50's would be alive today.

[Hutzpa]

100. Who said some of these folks

have any common sense.

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

72. that is what we are told and foolishly we grasp onto it as if a proven, though

i am not seeing all these recipients of second hand smoke dropping dead. why haven't mass amounts of children dropped dead (myself included with two smoking parents) if there was ANYTHING substantial in this rumor anti smoking groups propagandize about

[Solly Mack]

77. I was making a joke

I'm sorry I was making a joke.
Truly

[seabeyond]

80. most of my posts on smoking threads are in jest too, with the absurdity

and childlike foolishness that grown adults believe and use in battle against smokers from the antismoking zealots.

so though your post may be done in humor and extremism, the sad.... so many that fight the smoker believe this shit and see no extremism. kinda reminds me of the blind republicans that profess colbert is a true republican and on their side

[Lilith Velkor]

79. That's how we rationalize blaming smokers for pollution deaths

It's a variation on the old "meat eaters cause global warming!1!" schtick.

[seabeyond]

81. it is all beyond the use of the brain. and that

i have little patience with

[bryant69]

9. And you should be allowed to savagely beat anybody humming Ted Nugent songs

I don't want my beautiful mind polluted by that right wing tripe.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[rpannier]

17. While I oppose the smoking idea

I must admit I support your idea for two reasons:

1) Because with the exception of one, maybe two songs, his music is crap

2) It's impossible to hum any of his music without it bordering on cruel and inhumane punishment.

well...okay 3. Because Nugent is a f**king knob.

[Richard Steele]

28. I knew you and I would eventually agree on something!

Ted Nugent- a true UNITER!

[Sugar Smack]

11. Smokeboard 'em.

New torture. I win!:D

[sniffa]

12. ooh, that's a good idea

or even simuLated second hand smoking.

:loveya:

[Sugar Smack]

20. Mmmm! I like a good contact high myself:

:smoke: B-) :hi: :hug: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[Hutzpa]

102. Would you two like a room n/t

}(

[Ghost in the Machine]

121. Why go for simulated smoking when we have holograms, laser beams

or chem trails??

Mmmmmm... chemtrails!

I saw a hologram of a terrorist smoking a laser cigarette that burned down the World Trade Center

[sniffa]

122. right, the "officiaL" story on 9-11

now who's crazy?

i'm Loving this thread. :rofl:

[Solly Mack]

21. I call shot-gun!

I slay me...

[Sugar Smack]

23. U slay me too!!

Bwaahahaahaha!:spray:

[Toots]

13. There were laws in most communities against spitting on the streets

I believe there are laws against defiling someone's drinking water and also their food source. The human being needs three things to sustain life. Food, water, and air. Why should there be laws against polluting food and water but not air?

[Hutzpa]

104. You sounded so serious

heres a serious answer, correct me if I'm wrong, are you suggesting laws for polluting air? so I guess the next time I fart....I should expect a ticket.....no wait! tasered!!! hand-cuffed and then eventually choking myself no wait! (with the officers hand to choke myself)(as in Full Metal Jacket-now choke yourself, NOT LIKE THAT NUMB-NUTS USE MY HANDS AND CHOKE YOURSELF) Thats the new world order, right!! This Fascist way of thinking is becoming rampant and despicable.

:evilfrown:

[Toots]

187. A bad smell is not necessarily dangerous

Secondhand smoke is..It contains carcinigens that have been proved beyond any doubt to cause sickness and death do your farts do that? I guess to you, people dieing from extreme pain and discomfort is quite all right as long as you can continue to pollute their air just so you can satisfy your addiction. Why can't you just poison your own air in your own house, why do you insist you must poison everyone else's air as well? Why?? And I am the bad person for wanting it to end.....:shrug: Americans are the most arrogant people on earth..

[Hutzpa]

192. You call Americans arrogant!!

I'll replace that with IGNORANT!!! did not want to get into a debate.....what the hell.......here is one ARROGANT American educating one IGNORANT American, Here are examples of gases that kills, since you're ignorant I'll excuse you this once.

Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) are chemicals used in great quantities in industry, for refrigeration and air conditioning, and in consumer products. CFCs, when released into the air, rise into the stratosphere (a layer of atmosphere high above the Earth). In the stratosphere, CFCs take part in chemical reactions that result in reduction of the stratospheric ozone layer, which protects the Earth's surface from the sun. Reducing the release of CFC emissions and eliminating the production and use of ozone-destroying chemicals is very important to the Earth's stratosphere.

Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs) are chemicals that cause serious health and environmental effects. Health effects include cancer, birth defects, nervous system problems, and death due to massive accidental releases, such as the disaster that occurred at a pesticide plant in Bhopal, India.

Hazardous air pollutants are released by sources such as chemical plants, dry cleaners, printing plants, and motor vehicles including cars, trucks, buses, planes.

I don't see anything about second hand smoking kills.:shrug: So take your "no good two bit info and shove it somewhere else"

by the way, where the hell did you get carcinigens from? :shrug: let me help you.....did you mean carcinogens, because if you do then here are more info on carcinogens....

What Is a Carcinogen?

Cancer is caused by abnormalities in a cell’s DNA (its genetic "blueprint"). These may be inherited from parents, or they may be caused by outside exposures to the body such as chemicals, radiation, or even infectious agents. Substances that can cause changes that can lead to cancer are called carcinogens. Some carcinogens do not act on DNA directly, but lead to cancer in other ways, such as causing cells to divide at a faster rate, which could increase the chances that DNA changes will occur.

Carcinogens do not cause cancer in every case, all the time. Substances classified as carcinogens may have different levels of cancer-causing potential. Some may cause cancer only after prolonged, high levels of exposure. And for any particular person, the risk of developing cancer depends on many factors, including the length and intensity of exposure to the carcinogen and the person’s genetic makeup.

Now do you see anything that say Carcinogens is the cause of second hand smoking? because I don't....I hope this puts the argument to rest.

Now have a pleasant day!!!

Edit 1: I'm a non smoker

Edit 2: I'm still a non smoker

[Toots]

199. Ignorant is certainly the correct term to use

Did you conveniently leave out the word necessarily. I did not say foul odors never cause harm. I also never said carcinigens cause second hand smoking.
"Here are examples of gases that kills, since you're ignorant I'll excuse you this once."
"Now do you see anything that say Carcinogens is the cause of second hand smoking? because I don't....I hope this puts the argument to rest."
Now if you could point out where I said either of the things you say I said I would be humbled but I did not say those things and it appears you jumped to conclusions and made some ignorant statements..Prove me wrong..

[Hutzpa]

201. Wow!!! Total denial,

prove you wrong......are you kidding, sounds like you've just have a memory block,

this is you being clever, from your earlier post #187

Secondhand smoke is..It contains carcinigens that have been proved beyond any doubt to cause sickness and death do your farts do that?

and here you are with another clever comment #199

Did you conveniently leave out the word necessarily. I did not say foul odors never cause harm. I also never said carcinigens cause second hand smoking.

does that sound familiar to you, this is pointless....ok this conversation is now over. Thank you for your input. Its been fun while it lasted.

:dunce:

[Toots]

203. You truly are just plain ignorant

I guess that is why you defend smoking..

[bicentennial_baby]

15. ....

:rofl:

:loveya:

[sniffa]

18. quiet you

:loveya:

[Jersey Devil]

25. Depends on your definition of "near"

I smoke and try not to smoke near others, always standing apart when outdoors and upwind from non-smokers who may be in the area. But if you are across the street or maybe 25 feet or more away from me and I am upwind of you then go fly a kite.

I was out with my wife recently and she had a cigarette in her hand when someone walking in the other direction on the sidewalk began hacking and coughing and waving her hand in front of her face as though my wife had assaulted her with smoke. The only problem is that her cigarette wasn't lit. So there are people who just like to bitch and moan and it sounds to me like you are one of them.

[Maraya1969]

59. Oh that is precious!

:rofl:

[Fed_Up_Grammy]

156. A walk down the street with a white Bic pen in hand will have the same effect.

I find the entire anti-smoking hysteria hilarious.

[book_worm]

26. No! The fire department and then they can rush over and put it out

[notadmblnd]

27. just as soon as yu call the cops on the car in front of you whose muffler needs replaced

or the hooptie spewing a cloud of oil smoke. Or the incinerator that burns the trash or the factory that lets off emissions. Oh and don't forget to call the cops on your neighbor whose Bar B cue grill uses charcoal or when they're burning leaves and please please don't forget to call the cops on the little old lady that uses too much perfume because she doesn't like to bathe everyday, when she's standing next to you on the elevator.

yeah, it can get ridiculous can't it? Why can't you just move away from them or politely ask them to put it out?

[sniffa]

32. because they're attempting to kiLL me!!1!!1!

i shouLdn't have to put up with that, nor be the one to move. what if i'm at a sonic drive-thru, trying to eat Lunch and some ignorant fuckers Light up nearby - am i supposed to roLL up my window, or drive away? i don't think so.

[Suziq]

44. Heading Out for a Smoke . . . . .

I have this uncontrollable urge to kill some of my co-workers. :eyes:

[notadmblnd]

45. if you're at the drive thru, you're in your car..

why would someone be standing next to the window smoking? And you never did address why you couldn't politely ask someone if they mind putting it out. But seriously, I don't there that there are too many instances where people are cued up smoking forcing non smokers to drop dead from the smell. Maybe in a line to buy tickets for a concert and chances are you're going to smell worse things than cigarettes, but certainly not while you're standing in line waiting to pay for a purchase. Why call the police? if you do happen to cross a smokers path and you're forced to inhale as you're walking by, just be a guy and ask them to put it out.

[CreekDog]

133. Starting next year in CA you probably can't smoke in your car

If there are kids there.

Of all the big brotherish things, I mind the effort against smoking the least.

[hisownpetard]

57. What the L is wrong with you? (Hope you can get it fixed).

[robinlynne]

61. maybe the smoker isn't the ignorant fucker....

[bicentennial_baby]

68. Personal attacks? Tsk, tsk...

I'm sorry you can't tell when someone's joking...that's sad. :(

[robinlynne]

70. I don't think that was a joke. just reread it. no joke. S/he was really calling

smokers ignorant fuckers.

[bicentennial_baby]

73. Clue #1:

He's my husband, and I know his sense of humor quite well.

Clue #2: He's a smoker! :rofl:

[robinlynne]

75. oh, thank goodness. ok. got me.

[Sugar Smack]

166. *LOLOLOLOLOL!!!*

:rofl: YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME! :spray: :patriot: :loveya:

[Hutzpa]

106. You must have seen the other thread

and you still did not learn from that? I knew you where trying to be funny when you started this thread, funny that! Should I caLL the cops for you being a smarty pants? :shrug:

[sniffa]

112. the humor isn't necessariLy on my part

it's on the responses. i'm onLy stunned to see no DUer agreeing with me that smoking is an arrestabLe offense. :rofl:

[Stewie]

119. They are not "attempting to kill" you.

And if you're so concerned about your health, what the hell are you doing eating at Sonic?

[CreekDog]

132. Okay, you can call if you are at Sonic eating the Salad

But if you are having a milkshake, you cannot call the cops.

[Kali]

177. ...

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :yourock: :headbang:

sonic - :rofl:

[sniffa]

178. thank you, thank you

:D

thank you for getting it, and responding. :hi:

[Oldenuff]

30. We are

creating a nation of Tattle Tails in my opinion.

Mommy!I saw Davey smoking a cigarette!When am I gonna die?Can I finish my Big Mac first?

[Marrah_G]

31. Here we go again

Extremists of any sort are asshats.

My ignore list keeps growing with every one of these "I am outraged" posts.

[NYVet]

33. Only if I pop the plastic bubble that you live in...

I'm sorry, but this is going a LOT too far when it comes to being an anti smoking wingnut.

[flvegan]

34. Rec #1!!

[sniffa]

35. ty

:hug:

[shraby]

36. If I were you, I'd be a lot more concerned about

driving behind a city bus or a semi. The black smoke they belch and put into the air is not only foul smelling, it's gotta be bad to breath.

[L. Coyote]

37. I wish. But stupid idiot who smokes is not a crime yet.

[Hutzpa]

116. Why are people who smoke

Stupid? Thats is the most biased/baseless/ignorant response, hopefully you're joking.




Coming from a non smoker by the way.

[Zensea]

38. Is this flame bait or smoke bait?

I'm not sure which.
Could you enlighten me?

[Suziq]

39. Oh, Give Me a Huge Break!

Did smoking become illegal overnight and I am unaware??????? :eyes:

[Occulus]

98. A town in California just passed a law doing exactly that.

It applies to apartments which share a common wall, floor, or ceiling. Yes, they really did just make smoking at home, inside, illegal in California.

[Hutzpa]

118. LOL...you've got jokes!!

:rofl:

[CreekDog]

131. No joke, Belmont, California just passed such an ordinance

Eventually you can get a ticket for smoking in a multi unit dwelling if your neighbor complains about the smoke to the police.

[Demeter]

40. Wouldn't the Fire Department Be a Better Choice?

After all, if your neighbor is on fire....

[bicentennial_baby]

41. DUers crack me up!

:rofl:

Time to get your sarcasm meters calibrated again people!

[Marrah_G]

42. was that sarcasm..... I can't tell anymore

Everytime I think I have a sarcastic post pegged it turns out to be serious.

Sigh... time for more coffee and I should probably take someone off ignore.

[distantearlywarning]

43. Wait....this is a serious thread?

:silly: I thought it was a joke making fun of that other ridiculous one about Sonic.

Huh. Interesting.

Well, I hope the OP lets us know how the police react the next time he calls them because someone is smoking near him. That ought to be a post worth reading. :rofl:

[guitar man]

46. smoking what?

I might want them to pass it over to me :evilgrin:

[BoneDaddy]

47. YOu have to be kidding me

Whaat bunch of freaking whiners

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. Yes. Our prison system isn't crowded enough. I also think smokers should be hung by their

fingernails, then their toenails, then be waterboarded and electroshocked before they're thrown into one of those newly built internment camps.:eyes:

GEEZUSFREAKIN'KRIST! Am I on DU???

[johnnie]

49. Would shooting them be considered self defense?

That would be cool.

[rucky]

50. Cut FC some slack. n/t

[sniffa]

52. no thanks

it's more about the anti-smoking DUers. no sLack.

[rucky]

53. There's an apology thread floating around.

not sure if you know that or not.

[sniffa]

55. yeah, i saw that

and what about the price of fish in portugaL?

[rodeodance]

51. not me.

[hisownpetard]

56. Only if they're naked. nt

[WinkyDink]

58. Something wrong with your "l" key?

[silverlib]

60. Let's arrest those with contagious diseases, too.

Are you up for the Nobel with this peaceful thought?

[dkofos]

64. Will you call the cops if I fart in your general direction??

[CreekDog]

130. Well, if it contains smoke

[Midlodemocrat]

71. I think that the police should have the right to taser them if they are bothering me.

[bicentennial_baby]

74. Shoot on sight!

:D

[sniffa]

82. do you know the hotLine number?

[Midlodemocrat]

88. Yes, it's

1-800-deathtosmokers

[CreekDog]

128. I don't support the death penalty

Of course smoking will kill you sooner than natural causes, so I'm against smoking too.

[Midlodemocrat]

149. I only support its use on smokers.

[CreekDog]

153. Well, it's already in effect for smokers

Sad to say. I wish a premature, smoking related death on nobody, even those that are yelling at me here because they can't have a cigarette in their smoke free workplace. ;)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. If they're breaking the law, sure.

Same as if somebody spits on your car, or is playing their stereo too loud and breaking noise ordinances.

Don't you agree?

[SOS]

78. Just call 911

As soon as the cops finish their coffee and cigarettes, they'll get right on it.

:rofl:

[seabeyond]

83. cops finish their coffee and cigarettes.............you're funny n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

84. Of course you should be able to call the poliice.

The real question is whether the police will, or ought to, do anything if you call them.

[seabeyond]

89. because of course, why act like an adult and resolve

either asking other to avoid you with smoke, or simply taking a step back or away from the smoke. much better to bring in the cps seeing how inadaquit we all are at resolving issues.

damn.... what our kids are learning from us adults today.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

92. Well, of course!

Because if you did call the police about something that trivial they'd tell you to take a hike. My point was simply that you are always ABLE to call the police about anything. Sometimes, though, it would be stupid.

[seabeyond]

94. thank you for the clarification. i better understand. n/t

[AlCzervik]

85. i'm calling the SWAT team.

on myself.

[sniffa]

91. doh

how's the quitting going? :hi:

[AlCzervik]

93. badly i'm sorry to admit.

i quit quitting. I was doing fine, feeling better and like an idiot i started smoking agaon. Not in my car though, i don't want to stink up Morticia.
:-(

[sniffa]

96. it's ok

it's hard. :hug: :loveya:

we're gonna have to quit next year, so i'm trying to get as much nicotine as i can untiL then. :P

[AlCzervik]

97. excellent, we can have a support group.

and if you're quitting because you and the Mrs. are going to have a baby i commend you both, i quit six months before i got pregnant and didn't start smoking again until my daughter was almost 3. Hopefully you'll both stay off the butts forever.

[bicentennial_baby]

113. that's exactly why

i want to quit before i get pregnant, definitely. :)

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

120. you can totally do it and i promise you won't miss it a bit.

when i was pregnant i actually felt for the first time in my life really healthy. I wish both both lots of luck and send you big, no HUGH hugs!

[datasuspect]

86. the cops might crack a person in the head for wasting their time with such silliness

that would be the only form of police brutality i could heartily endorse.

[Cetacea]

95. Only if the person is wearing perfume or deoderant.

And drives a car.

[progressivebydesign]

99. Oh God.. ANOTHER one of these whiny smoker threads. How last century. n/t

[sniffa]

101. how progressive of you staLin

[bbgrunt]

103. this kind of insanity is the same insanity behind the reichwing

smear machine that is going after 12 year old Graham Frost. You really need to get a grip.

[Beelzebud]

105. I have a team of Blackwater Mercs to protect me from 2nd hand smoke!

[EFerrari]

107. I want all you guys to put on an ankle beeper so I know where you are

and can't accidentally assauLt you.

[sniffa]

108. nice post hitLer

[EFerrari]

109. Glad ya liked it, Che.

[CreekDog]

127. You smoke? Wow, so that big "IMPEACH" you did on the beach

Should have been "COUGH"

[EFerrari]

134. Chew gum AND walk. It's not all that difficult. n/t

[CreekDog]

138. I'm notoriously bad at multitasking

[EFerrari]

194. Me, too, but I'd never confess to that in public.

lol

[Gormy Cuss]

110. No. What do cops have to do with it?

Call the fire department.

[sniffa]

111. but i'm being assauLted!!1!!1!

:hi:

[CreekDog]

126. Nooo, put out the fire

;)

[Az]

114. If someone was blowing smoke in your face maybe

But out in the open and just passing in the street? No way. No where near enough toxin in that level of exposure to cause harm.

There is an issue of courtesy. But I don't think we need to be legislating that.

[librechik]

115. probably a good idea--my hubby wants to beat the hell out of anyone who smokes near me

(I'm allergic)

It's embarrassing, but he's a little out of control. The smoker might need a cop to restrain him.

[seabeyond]

167. that is something to brag about, .... rollin eyes

out of control, beat the hell out of someone. and this is adult behavior? hm

[librechik]

191. i'm not bragging--

it's embarrassing.

[seabeyond]

198. good to know. i would be pretty damn embarrassed if my hubby behaved

that way. i prefer for my hubby to understand i am empowered and can handle any given situation myself and obviously can handle a cig issue hands down, better than him if it resorts to this type of out of control behavior.

[ThePowerofWill]

196. No such thing.

Cig smoke is an irritant, not an allergen. You can't be allergic, just irritated.

[Stewie]

117. You're not going to die because someone lights up next to you.

Jesus, I swear people are too self-righteous and hysterical.

If you ever want to know just what's behind the whole anti-smoking jihad, you can find it in his statement "eating at a drive thru." Willing to have other people arrested for smoking in the name of health, but eating at a drive through?

It's not about health. It's about satisfying yourself by controlling other people. It's about the sense of self-fulfillment someone gets when they can use police and government power against other people. THAT's what the anti-smoking movement is about.

[Katherine Brengle]

129. If you're outdoors, you could just step away - or ask the smoker to step away.

It's not the hard to avoid.

[ManiacJoe]

136. If I see someone smoking, I assume they are on fire and

take appropriate action! :evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

142. Best of Thread.

:applause:

[displacedtexan]

144. Fireplaces, backyard BBQs, campfires, oh my!

They'd all have to go, too.

[Fading Captain]

147. What the HeLL is wrong with your L key?

It's the only somewhat interesting thing about this thread.

[rug]

174. Somebody flicked ashes on the keyboard. The L hasn't been the same since.

[McCamy Taylor]

152. You shoud be able to squirt their cigarette with a squirt bottle. Police are for narcs.

[Raejeanowl]

165. Can I Have the Perfume Whores Arrested, Too?

You know, the ones who walk in a miasma of "good" odors and trigger my (non-smoker) asthma attacks?

I think the OP might have to negotiate the smoking on a case-by-case basis until we as a society get a little less hypocritical about it.

You're not going to do anything with the real knuckleheads, but you might find others surprisingly accommodating to a polite request to move it farther away. Certainly preferable to harassing an addict about his/her addiction.

[Individualist]

179. You should be able to spray Febreze on anyone whose perfume or aftershave is offensive.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

158. Uh, NO!

I am not with you. Assault and battery? Do you know the meaning of "battery?" (sniffa, you usually make more sense than this...)

battery n. the actual intentional striking of someone, with intent to harm, or in a "rude and insolent manner" even if the injury is slight. Negligent or careless unintentional contact is not battery no matter how great the harm. Battery is a crime and also the basis for a lawsuit as a civil wrong if there is damage. It is often coupled with "assault" (which does not require actual touching) in "assault and battery."

When you think that the police have nothing better to do than come to your sidewalk and take someone to jail for smoking... Well, okay.

Although cigarette smoking is annoying and prolonged exposure can cause many health related problems and even death, walking past someone who is smoking is not a situation where one would need to call the cops.

We can make the U.S. the next Singapore - caning for gum chewing! Caning for homosexuals! Caning for smokers!

Who's with me?

[bicentennial_baby]

159. psst

He's not being serious...he's mocking self-righteous anti-smokers. ;)

[QueenOfCalifornia]

162. oh...

in the words of Emily Latella...

"Never mind."

[spoony]

161. I'd call the police if someone near me insisted on capitalising all their L's.

[zippy890]

169. absolutely

And then after they are ALL arrested, put them in special prisons, lets call them 'camps, where they can't bother anybody with their destructive behavior.



do I need to put a sarcasm thingy - or is it evident to you?

hmmmm

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[bicentennial_baby]

171. ah, but does he need to put one in for *you*?

I think so.... :rofl:

[ThePowerofWill]

170. Well lets try this.

I light a smoke and blow a puff in your face. Then i seriously lay an ass whipping on you. When i finish the former i'll give you a choice of which you'd like too have again. I doubt you'd choose the ass kicking.

Or since you said something along the lines of "their trying to kill me". Maybe i could blow smoke at you first, then give you a 10 second running start before i start taking pot shots at you with a rifle. Again after the former i'd give you a choice which action we could repeat. I'm sure the smoke would not look so bad at this point either.

(the above is on a humorous note)

I don't smoke, but smokers don't bother me. They have already been driven mostly outdoors, and into their homes and cars. If i can put up with all the rest of the toxic crap i have to smell daily a couple stray smokers are no big deal.

[sniffa]

172. go for it

we'LL see who survives tough guy.

[seabeyond]

181. thats the way to totally overlook the point of the post.

tough guy... more rollin eyes.

[ThePowerofWill]

190. Sure no problem.

P.M. me and i can send you information on a way to further contact me. We can set up an exhibition at my gym. Would you like Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, or Grappling only? I'm comfortable with either. I'm old and washed up nowadays, so if ya think you can whip an old man come on down and sign the papers(waiver of liability/consent of whatever damage you most likely will receive), and we can hit the ring

Anyway nice way to ignore completely, and refuse to address the point i made.

[Jamastiene]

173. ...

:kick:

[Crabby Appleton]

175. Just zap'em with yourTaser. nt

[EFerrari]

184. Does anyone have a light?

[OzarkDem]

189. Only if I can get a grant from the Tobacco Fund

How about a grant for $1 million? I'll go around and call cops on all the outside smokers I see. Robert Woods Johnson Foundation - can't you hear me knockin'?

No grant? Oh, hell, nevermind. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

:sarcasm:

[benEzra]

200. You have GOT to be kidding...

you ARE kidding, right?

I have heard some pretty far-out proposals from antismoking fundamentalist groups, but this one has to be sarcasm.

Smoke isn't good for you, but it's not VX, either. The studies that have shown harm from secondhand smoke have all had one common denominator--long-term indoor exposure. You have a lot more to worry about from the sun exposure you get from walking down the sidewalk than you do from catching the scent of burning tobacco, and the threat from the sun is overrated.

FWIW, cigarette smoke gives me headaches, and it causes my wife asthma attacks. But there's no way I'd support that level of authoritarianism.

[mark414]

204. pssstt, everybody;

get a sense of humor

:rofl: