Another case of police gone wild on citizens and macing toddlers!

[theHandpuppet]

http://www.portsmouth-dailytimes.com/articles/2007/10/12/news/local_news/1news_beaver.txt

You've just GOT to read this, folks,

Police investigate arrest gone wrong
Beaver family reportedly maced, beaten by officers

By FRANK LEWIS
PDT Staff Writer
Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:26 PM EDT

The three Beaver police officers involved in what has been described as an arrest attempt gone wrong Saturday night have been suspended.

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“It was a nightmare,” said Josh Adams, who said he, his wife, Kristy, and three children were in the process of going to bed when incident occurred.

“The police came to the door. They didn't even identify themselves as police officers, and said my wife had been out on the porch firing a gun. At that time, people were setting off fireworks, like M-80s, and they asked her if she had been shooting a gun. She told him she didn't want to talk to him, and turned from the door,” he said.

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“He (a Beaver police officer) came through the door, tackled my wife and slammed her to the floor. She began to scream for me, and I ran into the room, where I saw him (the Beaver police officer) on top of my wife and two others standing there,” Adams said. “Then I got hit in the head with a Maglite, and here I was bleeding, and then we all got maced, including our 2-year-old son who sleeps in a crib by our bed.”

MUCH MORE

[bobbolink]

1. Is it a police state yet?

The only positive thing about this is that it's now happening, apparently, to muddleclass people, which means that there is going to be more outrage.

Finally.

[Hydra]

4. you're being overly optimistic

"It hasn't happened to me, so there's obviously no problem. Those people probably deserved it!"

[bobbolink]

6. That's what I had in mind. It's not often I'm called "overly optomistic" Thanks.

:rofl:

Yanno, dear Hydra, I really hate that I've become so cynical, and so uncaring toward the muddleclass. But, most of the muddleclass is so unfeeling that I'm convinced they will have to hurt, and hurt deeply, before they "get religion" and find some compassion in their shriveled hearts.

As I said, I'm angry that it's come to that for me.

I don't like to hear myself talk like that.

But that's where it is.

Again, thanks for the unlikely compliment. :hi:

[Hydra]

9. I'm guilty of over-optimism now and then :D

Unfortunately, I'm in the same place you are- my journal today sunk like a rock.

People are going to need to EXPERIENCE how bad the system has really become before real change is likely, IMO

And don't be angry at yourself- survival is the most important thing. If they are impeding your ability to live, they have earned that indifference.

[bobbolink]

15. Thanks for the mention... I looked up your journal.

I think that's a first... never actually read a journal here before. :hi:

Yes, it's very sad that the state of compassion is that everyone seems to have to EXPERIENCE it directly before caring...strike that, before giving a flying fuck.

There used to be more of an ability to put oneself in the shoes of another, but that has died. For most.

"And don't be angry at yourself- survival is the most important thing. If they are impeding your ability to live, they have earned that indifference."

VERY well put! Thanks... that expresses it so well! And, yes, that's how I feel about liberals who can't/won't give a shit.

I still wish it wasn't that way, but there you have it...

:cry: :pals:

[cali]

12. In an actual police state, there is no way the cops would

have been suspended. We could become a police state, but we are not such, as of now. There are far too many cases of out of control cops, but that alone, does not, de facto, make us a police state.

[bobbolink]

13. We can always count on you, cali, to correct us.

You're a real gift.

[Karenina]

40. Thank you, Elad

for a function that helps me keep my blood pressure in check! The responses I read regularly substantiate the clicks I made oh so long ago!

"Gift" hat eine andere bedeutung auf deutsch! :rofl:

[bobbolink]

45. I second that thanks!

The list grows..... :hi:

[Megahurtz]

43. Rofl!

:7

[bobbolink]

46. .

:hi:

[ThomCat]

17. But it does prove that we're pretty far down the road in that direction.

[bobbolink]

20. I have a hard time believing this is what Thomas Jefferson had in mind.

The frog is coming to a boil so slowly that it's hard to see it for what it is.

[FiveGoodMen]

27. Yes, but the trend is worth noting and resisting.

Reminding ourselves that things aren't -- yet -- as bad as they can possibly get has little practical value.

[cali]

33. Recognizing the perils and the reality is

vital to dealing effectively with the problem. Yelling the equivalent of "terra, terra, terra" is not effective.

[FiveGoodMen]

36. How about yelling, "They've broken through our line and are headed this way! Battle stations!"

That's what the posts you're fighting against mean. And you're trying to shut them up.

[bobbolink]

47. "And you're trying to shut them up."

There's a real talent there.

Thanks, FiveGoodMen, it needed to be said.

:hi:

[FiveGoodMen]

51. Thank you!

Maybe I am overreacting, but the ease with which our rights get taken away these days just scares the hell out of me.

:hi:

[bobbolink]

54. Please, don't give in to them. You're NOT "overreacting".. it's real.

In Denvoid, a group (of many older people, BTW), has formed an organization called "COP WATCH" precisely because the cops in Denvoid get so carried away in ignoring rights.

When so many older citizens are getting themselves trained and prepared, it's far from "overreacting".

Keep speaking up, and don't let 'em intimidate you!

:hi:

[Megahurtz]

42. Thanks,

I feel so much better now that you've pointed that out. :sarcasm:

[Truthiness Inspector]

52. You are correct

I wonder if any of these "police state" pushers would dare to do the following: Compile a thread, after valid research, showing how many law enforcement officers there are in this country versus number of complaints (founded/unfounded)?

Cops are sued all the time in federal court; there are checks and balances in place. Bad cops have gone, and will continue to go to prison/get fired/disciplined...sometimes wrongfully because of prejudices against them and a lack of understanding of how things work. I can't help but think that some here would rather see a decent cop killed by a thug than the other way around.

[Hydra]

2. Bad day for this

this is the third thing I've seen today...and still I see arguments that things are fine, it's just a few bad apples...

[depakid]

7. Actually, this sounds miscommunication

Cops get edgy when guns are supposedly involved- and it sounds like they thought guns that were reported to have been fired might be in the house.

That's no excuse for the escalation- but I can see it could happen.

My bet is that there's more to this story than meets the eye.

[Hydra]

10. If the cops don't identify themselves

They have no right to do what they did. Period.

I don't care if they are edgy. Their job is to serve and protect, and that requires a certain level of risk. If they can't handle that, they can get a job at an accountants office.

[depakid]

14. Not so sure that was the case

Like I said, I bet there's more to this than meets the eyes.

[bobbolink]

16. No, nobody here has all the details. BUT... many of us have lived where cops are off the rails.

So, we're inclined to demand that cops explain themselves.

If you haven't had that experience, then maybe you don't understand that.

edited to say: I repeat, until muddleclass (and most likely *white*) folk have experienced this, not much is likely to change.

Bring it on. :(

[Hydra]

21. I doubt it

Remember the woman who supposedly strangled herself on her handcuffs?

...you know what? Never mind. If they do the same at your house, be sure to mention that it was you so I can ignore the event.

[depakid]

25. We don't know the facts on that case, either

Look, far be it from me to defend misconduct- and if it's any consolidation, I've lived in LA and been smacked around myself.

I just question knee jerk responses. Perhaps the outrage is valid- perhaps it's not. Time and investigations will tell.

[Hydra]

31. time and investigations will lead to no charges

or "not guiltys."

The fact that 911 had to be called twice is telling, and probably on record.

[theHandpuppet]

37. I happen to read this paper online every day

So you can be sure I will keep you updated.

[Zornhau]

29. They're lucky

had there been a gun in the house, I could see how this could have gone way wrong... strange men forcing their way in and tackling his wife. ugh.

[Hydra]

35. Lots of dead children

and the officers claiming "We followed all of the rules, and one of us got shot in the arm! These were dangerous people!"

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[ThomCat]

18. Miscommunication?

They don't identify themselves as cops. They don't have a warrant. They break in and immediately start beating and spraying people. What miscommunication?

Miscommunication implies that there was some effort to communicate.
x(

[depakid]

24. This miscommunication was regarding guns

I experienced a similar situation in my neighborhood. On of my dipshit neighbors (who's known for her histrionics) called in to say that there was someone roaming around with a gun- and we had dozens of cops, a swat team- and the local "news" crawling around for hours. No one could drive in or out.

Turns out it was just some kid in his backyard with a little BB gun.

As I said, shots fired type of calls tend to freak the cops out and things tend escalate when others hear stuff like that over their scanners.

In addition, there also seems to have been a miscommunication on the premises as well- and we don't have all the facts on that. Yet saying to cops who've heard that sort of call "no, I don't want to talk with you" and then turning to go inside and likely shut- that's not the sort of thing a reasonable person ought to expect will bring a good result.

[Hydra]

39. What about that person in MacDonalds the other day

that was a victim of a person pretending to be a cop?

The thread was burning with "why didn't she refuse to comply?"

And here you say that she should have complied, even when they did not identify themselves and show badges?

So which are you advocating? A cop should never be so far gone in his fear that he can't follow procedure.

[bobbolink]

8. All the 'bad apples' please raise your hand.

:hi:

[Turbineguy]

3. Perhaps

"Agent Mike" will be so kind as to send these posts to his colleagues in law enforcement.

[Hydra]

5. He and his expanded team are too busy

watching us for "potential terrorist activity"

In other words, they're voyeurs with nothing better to do.

[Richard Steele]

19. Fascist shit like this is EXACTLY why the 2nd Amendment was SECOND, not tenth or fifteenth.

This isn't anything NEW, folks. This is what we were
given CONSTITUTIONAL permission to defend ourselves against
over 250 years ago.

[Swamp Rat]

22. You're back!

:hi:

[Richard Steele]

26. I never left, apparently. Whatever happened the other day, it wasn't a tombstoning!

But the '08 election cycle is still young;
Given the way blatant trolls are allowed to
run free these days, I'm sure I'll be banned
before next November! :toast:

[KamaAina]

32. So you're saying if the toddler had been armed, he wouldn't have been Maced?

:eyes:

[Richard Steele]

34. NO, but I -WILL- say that if you had a valid POINT, you could make it without absurdist hyperbole.

But since you DIDN'T, I can only assume that you DON'T.

[KamaAina]

38. Oh, very well. I am rather fond of absurdist hyperbole, though.

If the father (and/or mother) had been armed, this could have become an armed confrontation between them and the (armed) officers, i.e. a potential shootout and bloodbath.

[Richard Steele]

44. Yeah, I am too. I'm just kinda depressed and hissy/pissy tonight. That's not your fault.

Please feel free to ignore me for a day or two until
I'm less of an asshole.

[bobbolink]

49. CONSTITUTION???

What, pray tell, is a "constitution"???

Do we get one??

[ptolle]

53. firefights

Am I to take it you're advocating firefights with anyone any time you feel your rights are threatened? I firmly believe the founders intended for us to be free to carry any muzzle-loading weapon we desired. I also firmly believe they'd be appalled at the thought of a minimally regulated populace carrying self-loading handguns with 10-12 round magazines.

[Xithras]

23. I'm proud of that mayor.

I have no idea what his political views are, but I wish more mayors were like that. Instead of waiting for the police departments sanitized version of the events, he rushed over to the incident, found out what happened WHILE IT WAS STILL HAPPENING, and fired the officers on the spot. No administrative leave, just a good, old fashioned boot to the ass.

Good for him.

[mark414]

28. but but but...the police were just doing their job!

[MLFerrell]

30. If you haven't already, you might want to check out my thread from earlier...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2033382

[Megahurtz]

41. Have The Police Gone Completely Mad

in the U.S.A.??? :crazy: Apparently they are taught to act like this!
Reminds me of Blackwater Thugs!!!:scared: What's the difference?
Except the Blackwater Thugs are Rent-A-Cops.

Yeah better mace that Toddler before he pees on you! :sarcasm:
And you certainly would deserve it!:rant:

[bobbolink]

48. In some places, yes, they have. And, it isn't recent, by any means.

At least in Denvoid, there hasn't been an effective way to keep them in check.

All we can hope for is that they start using their thuggery on white, muddleclass people, and raise the level of awareness.

BTW, once when my car was broken into, a sullen cop showed up to take the report, and I found porn in his clipboard. I tried to do something about it, and was told, "Can't you take a joke, lady?"

Yup, "To Serve And Protect".

They made me feel ever so much safer.

:mad:

[OzarkDem]

55. They're getting money (and training) from Homeland Security

who apparently has told them this kind of behavior is necessary to protect our country and unless they follow it, they'll lose their funding.

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50. "Beaver police"!?!

This invasion of privacy thing has gotten waaaaay out of hand.

:smoke: