Experts: Climate change threatens peace

[Cetacea]

By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent Fri Oct 12, 4:53 PM ET

What does global warming have to do with global peace? The globe may find out sooner than we think, experts say.


"Climate change is and will be a significant threat to our national security and in a larger sense to life on Earth as we know it to be," retired Gen. Gordon R. Sullivan, former U.S. Army chief of staff, told a congressional panel last month.

The Nobel Peace Prize Committee agrees. In awarding the prize Friday to climate campaigner Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N.-sponsored network of scientists, the Norwegian committee said the stresses of a changing global environment may heighten the "danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states."


article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_sc/nobel_widening_peace;_ylt=An6Lq83d553eYEudZeMlhelxieAA

[Amonester]

1. Global Warming Trumps Peace

Climate Change Brings Crop Losses
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/earthandsun/climate_change.html

(Among other "things") :scared:

[Cetacea]

5. It should have trumped the War of Choice

I remember this report and feeling rage that it was largely ignored...

"...A 2003 report commissioned by the Pentagon warned that abrupt climate change "could potentially destabilize the geopolitical environment, leading to skirmishes, battles, and even war due to resource constraints..."

[Amonester]

7. Agreed.

It would have trumped it if President Al Gore had not been robbed of the presidency he won.

In fact, even the PNAC's happy gangsters' bloodfest of Sept. 11 2001 may not have happened yet (until the r/w thugs would have been "successful" years later?).

I'm quite sure of that...

[Kurovski]

2. It's an Important aspect to this award.

On C-span I was already hearing actual outrage from a caller that Gore has nothing at all to do with peace.

Best to jump on that RW crapola and crush it right away. Not that it will help much with the more hopeless idiots.

[Cetacea]

3. Agreed. nt

[nam78_two]

4. K&R-it is THE biggest issue.nt

[Kurovski]

6. Kick. (nt)

[John Kerry VonErich]

8. I am so sorry

People are gonna flame me for this, but the General gave a theory, key words "could have". It's doesn't mean it can happen. It still doesn't make sense why Gore won the Peace prize. Can someone give me a real example of a war caused by global warming? :dilemma:

[Lars39]

9. You really need to watch An Inconvenient Truth.

And keep in mind that the film is now 2 years old.

[opihimoimoi]

10. Dp you read series shit?? If ya did...ya would know HARD TIMES are a coming

In Hard Times...people eat people, nations go to WAR...Millions die from Famine...an shit like that...all because of Bushies refusal to address GW...Fuck him and the wooden pony he likes to abuse....

[John Kerry VonErich]

12. Are you saying that people either reduce carbon emmissions and conserve energy, or go to war?

I still think IMHO that global warming is a science and not a peacekeeper.

[Solon]

13. Rising Ocean Levels will mean people will get displaced...

in places such as Bangladesh, this means disaster, considering most of the nation is AT sea level. India has already stated it will not accept refugees in such a situation. That means there are going to be flashpoints for conflicts in various locations around the globe, this being just one.

[opihimoimoi]

15. You really should do some homework re this subject...your comments are revealing

[nannah]

18. perhaps the most analogous situation for this was in Colorado's San Juan Basin

area in the 13th century. As the basin's populations increased and began stretching the area's capacity to sustain the groups living there, there were also changes in the climate that altered food production and availability. These times were characterized by religious zealotry, terrorism, and chronic warfare. These were the end times for the Anasazi.

right now, we appear to be ahead of the cycle because in the intervening 8 centuries the military industrial complex, so eloquently described by Dwight Eisenhower has managed to usher us into a century already characterized by religious zealotry, terrorism, and increasing pressure for chronic warfare. the change in weather is already affecting food production in many parts of the world. Australia is in the eighth year of desperate drought.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/australasia/article2465960.ece

Thousands of farmers in India commit suicide because failed harvests have left them unable to plant new crops.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june07/farmers_06-26.html

Even where food is still being produced, the stress in the oil industry increases the pressure on food production and distribution. Typical chemical farming is heavily dependent on petroleum products for fertilizer, pesticide, and transportation. Another effect on food production from oil industry problems is the use of corn for ethanol. This has already driven up the price of corn to a point where people who rely on cheap corn for basic food have been hurt by high corn prices driven by demand for ethanol. http://www.workers.org/2007/world/biofuels-1018/

Melting ice caps create an array of issues from changes in water levels to ecological unbalance caused by temperature changes which alter habitat and affect species vulnerable to subtle changes in salinity, temperature, amount of sunlight, etc. And already countries are trying to take ownership of new Northwest passages opened by melting ice.

throughout history, situations of chronic warfare exist in areas with scarce resources, conflict over access to water, and/or conflict over trade routes. All of these are inherent in the evidence of global warming already measurable and documented.

Many of the critics of global warming who said computer models could not be trusted turned out to be right. The projections were flawed. The computer models have not been able to keep pace with the accelerating change caused by the melting ice caps.

[Toots]

11. For the Conservative, a question...

Putting aside any and all politics in/from Al Gore's movie "An Inconvenient Truth" are there any of the suggestions for conserving energy, things one would not wish to do? Is there any reason one would not wish to conserve energy and why are the things Gore mentions not worthy of doing just that? Is conserving energy not a National Security issue? What ways do you currently use to conserve energy and can others use those methods as well? Does the Conservative base not consider a healthy, clean, (remember cleanliness is next to Godliness) robust environment a worthy endeavor? If they do feel it is worthy what are some suggestions for making it so? just asking..........

[opihimoimoi]

16. We Humans, Americans in particular, seem addicted to FUN...we want and demand FUN

The Problem we face...is that much of our fun comes by using energy, fossil energy....even driving around the town to sight see is an example...or long distances to watch a football game....that too. Think of all the things we do for fun...that involves an un neccessary consumption of fuel...and that includes the tires, oil, etc to keep the car/trucks going...thats will seem a tragic waste when the time comes to harvest food but no fuel available for them farmers in the not too distant future.

As of now...No one wants to give up fun...

light bulbs and shit is manini(small)... its the fun factor...that comsumes the bulk of our fuel....Today, I get to watch the BLUE ANGELS in Kaneohe Bay...2 days in a row...How exciting.....but for 3 days they been flying around for hours...not tomention today and tomorrow....how many gallons of fuel is that? and they do this all over the Nation....

And the War....How much fuel is this war costing????

Then comes Planning fuel efficent cities/buildings/work places....no one wants to invest/plan in them either...

thare are some small projects here and there but so far...no major break throughs...

Gore is right...we should be doing some things here and now...at the very least...start thinking of real plausible solutions...thus far, we haven't got to that just yet...Pity

Worse...the efforts are hampered by the deniers....those who have their heads in the sand...which by the way, will be needed soon for the dikes to protect Florida...

[ProSense]

14. Kerry spoke about this

Kerry Says Global Warming Poses National Security Risk

More: Climate Change and Global Security

[Joanne98]

17. Of course it does. Natural resource wars, the most common type.

But of course nobody on the right understands this SIMPLE idea! Idiots! perry Logan should do a video about this.