Nader won what, 2% of the vote? Sheehan would get about the same hypothetically.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Carry on Clinton bashers.

[bluestateguy]

1. Nader polled 2.74%

And that was enough to cost Al Gore the election that he rightfully won. Nader's hopeless campaign made it close enough for Bush to steal.

I can't see Cindy Sheehan having that same effect in Nancy Pelosi's district, and the Republican would not win more than 20% of the vote either. Nancy wins with at least 60%.

Please tell me Cindy is not going to run for president.

[Beelzebud]

2. Ralph Nader was on the supreme court?

I didn't realize Ralph Nader ruled in favor of Bush in Bush Vs. Gore.

[book_worm]

3. There are many reasons why Gore "lost" in 2000

The SC is, of course, the main one. But Nader certainly didn't help. Had Gore won NH four electoral votes he would have won and it can be said that Nader cost Gore NH. Of course who can say if the Nader voters would have voted for Gore had Nader not run? But there is a good chance enough of them may have. Florida is another case in point for the same reason.

But Gore, himself, made some miscalculations. He wrote off Ohio too early and lost the state by a small margin. He lost his own home state. If Gore had carried his own TN he would have been president.

So there we go. It can't only be blamed on Nader.

[pnwmom]

5. It can't "only" be blamed on Nader-- but so what?

Most of the other factors couldn't be controlled by progessives. Nader was a progressive whose position on the ballot took 97,000 Florida votes. Surely at least 1% of them would have voted for Gore if Nader hadn't been on the ballot -- more if Nader had actually endorsed him. And 1% of Nader's votes would have been more than enough to put Gore over the top.

[Beelzebud]

12. Perhaps Gore should have ran with someone like Nader, and not Joe Lieberman...

[pnwmom]

14. Oh, I see. Gore should have run with Nader to keep Nader from opposing

him? Sounds like extortion to me.

Nader took 97,000 votes in Florida away from another progressive candidate. He deliberately campaigned hard in the swing states, even though many of his supporters begged him not to. He's the narcissistic jerk that single-handedly did the most to put the country on the road to 8 years of Bush.

[Beelzebud]

19. Whatever makes it easy to sleep at night. Keep telling yourself that.

[pnwmom]

4. It wouldn't have ever gotten to the Supreme Court if Nader hadn't been

in the race. The race was decided by fewer than 600 Florida votes -- a state where Nader received more than 97,000 votes. If only 1% of Nader's voters had voted for Gore instead, the decision wouldn't have gone to the Supreme Court.

[katsy]

6. I remember reading that Pat Buchanan had thousands more votes...

than anyone expected and that it was due to the ballot design that many people chose Buchanan by mistake. They thought they were voting for Gore.

Buchanan got more votes against all odds.

In the end, it was scotus that let loose the plaugue that has festered for 7 long years. May they pay dearly/

[pnwmom]

10. But progressives couldn't control the ballot design. They could control

who they voted for -- and 97,000 chose to vote for a progressive candidate who couldn't win and who pretended that there was no difference between Gore and Bush.

It doesn't matter how many other factors affected the election. It wouldn't have ended up in the Supreme Court if less than 1% of Nader's progressive voters had decided to vote for Gore instead.

[katsy]

20. Good point. nt

[L. Coyote]

7. More if Erik Prince and the fundies make big contributions!

Go Greens, F**k America again!

[EFerrari]

8. Let's split the left because that's worked so well historically.

We need more posts that stir this cr@P up. We haven't yet begun to sabotage 2008.

[orleans]

9. cindy's running for PRESIDENT? n/t

[upi402]

11. Clintons are Republicans, miscast

that's all. Great Presidential material- both, but in the wrong party. They're to the right of Goldwater in ways. The Center has been moved way way way right in two decades by the corporate media.

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yes, and the comparison of Nader to Sheehan is not apt either.

:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I Always Hear That Argument

Perhaps on economic issues but in 1964 abortion was illegal, condoms were illegal in many states, and a man could be put in the hoosegow for fucking another man...

[Forkboy]

16. Will this be the birth of a new Dem Clenis?

:crazy:

[skipos]

17. But 85% of Nader voters learned their lesson by 2004 and didn't vote for him again

It will be interesting to see if Nader and his supporters try to do a repeat of 2000 in 2008.

[Az]

18. Um, Sheehan would get 0% of the Presidential vote

I think you are getting a little carried away.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Cindy's running for president?