Some thoughts on Right Wing types

[MrScorpio]

The most striking aspect to wingers I think is their complete unwillingness to admit, that despite America's positive points, we have some really deep problems that need to be addressed. I'm not going to go into what those problems are, as we all know them too well around here. Yet, in that we feel that the problems should be addressed as one who loves another and would want to intervene on their behalf, they feel that the problems should not be addressed at all. And that any mention of those issues constitutes an affront to our very identity as Americans.

The lapel pins, the flag waving, the whole structure of jingoism that wingers have. It's all costume. They might was well wear face paint and blow up balloons.

Denial, is in their very nature, isn't it? The country is going down the tubes, but they're quite happy singing GOD BLESS AMERICA at the bottom of the seventh inning, as if that will make it all better.

What's striking about this is that I believe that their basic faith in this country is really very weak. The protections of the Constitution are so impotent to them that a lot of them have to bolster with the Bible. Even though, in many ways, they are complete polar opposites in terms of basic philosophy.

So weak that the promise of America can only support a privileged few instead of everyone.

So weak that we have to prove our potency by bullying weaker nations.

I could go on. Again, you know the drill.

Frankly, I feel that most of them are just too stupid and lazy to better the country in the behalf of all of us. It's much easier to listen to Rush. He'll tell them that everything is alright as it is, and the people causing the problems are actually those who are one pointing them out.

Fools, who are being played and they don't even know it.

I once told a friend that conservatives come in two basic kinds; the smart and evil ones who lead, and the complete idiots who follow them.

I'm just angry at their utter stupidity.

Thanks for hearing me out.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

1. I think

You are giving them too much credit.

But other than that...

I just think they are total assholes. I am out of nice things to say about them.

(Great post btw)

[tom_paine]

2. "...the smart and evil ones who lead, and the complete idiots who follow them."

That is actually pretty close to the scientific truth, and the link in my sigline explains what we face and why it is the same thing the Germans faced in the 1930s and all of Euirppe faced in Medeval Times.

[sakabatou]

3. More on the religious part of the RR

http://fstdt.com/fundies/Default.aspx

[nightrider767]

4. You're close, very close...

If you want to understand the "wingers", you have to understand the difference between republicans and Democrats.

The Democratic party is the most diverse and disorganized of the two, and that's for a very good reason.

For the most part, the Democratic mind, is a critical thinking mind, that will judge issues based on merit and make personal determinations. That's why there is a divergence of views in the Democratic party and that's why we seem disorganized.

On the other hand, you have Republicans, who actually do have a mental pre-disposition to follow and adopt a convenient ideology. The Republicans find comfort in following the party line because it does not involve critical thinking, something that they find uncomfortable. If you want proof, line ten of them up, and they will all agree on the party line. Not only that, but when you do raise an argument to support a position, they will more often than not, recite a diatribe they they've been told. They adhere to ideas that are not their own.

Democrats come up with their own ideas and that is a fundamental difference.

If you want further proof, corner a Republican on an issue that they've obviously screwed up. Like this war. Press them to respond to the question of if we're actually safer after losing over 3000 American lives, untold Iraqi lives, and close to a trillion dollars, which we actually had to borrow. Remind them that in this noble effort to avoid another 9-11, we've actually created a situation worse than 9-11. If you do this, the republican will react like a cornered animal.

He, or she, obviously has no good answer, and since they don't have a script for this, they'll talk about Clinton, lay the blame somewhere else, and eventually get personal, and try to destroy your views and character.....

Just try it and tell me what you find.

[sailor65]

5. Overgeneralization....

is the ultimate stupidity.

There are a great many Conservatives who vote Democratic. The party regained Congress (Such as it is) largely because of us, and can't get the Presidency back without us.

So since you've essentially called us all "Idiots," allow me to return the favor.

[nightrider767]

6. A little harsh

It depends on what you mean by "conservative". I'm a conservative myself, but that's in the old sense where we wanted to do conservative things like balance the budget and make the dollar actually worth something. Is that what you're talking about?

I think he's referring to the legions of neo-con ditto-heads who annoy us so.

Either way, to describe a broad group will always involve generalizations. Some valid, some not.

[sailor65]

7. I was careful to read and re-read.

He (Yhe OP) essentially gave two types for us, both of them stereotypes, and I'm bloody sick of it. So it wasn't unduly harsh at all.

And yes, those traits you mentioned are among the things I value as a Conservative (But NOT a Republican). Nothing "NEO" in my manifesto!

[MrScorpio]

8. Thanks, for the input, Squiddy

Let's hug it out!

:hug:

[nightrider767]

9. That's one thing that scares me.

Where this deficit is going. I need to re-do a bathroom and at this rate, I'll be wallpapering with dollar bills to save money. The value of the dollar is the one economic measure that's very hard for them to fake. Though they try.

And it's sinking,,,, like leonardo Decaprio at the end the movie The Titanic.

[B Calm]

11. I have a problem with the cheap labor conservatives... The ones

who hate labor unions. Is it because they know when labor sticks together, wages and benifits go up?

[nightrider767]

13. I don't blame you for feeling that way

But being a fiscal conservative and busting Unions is two entirely different things. Fiscal conservatives want the government to manage it's budget more responsibly. As a matter of fact, the whole concept will be an integral part of the Democratic candidates political platforms. It doesn't exclude social programs and it doesn't exclude unions. Look at Europe and the value of the Euro if you want an idea of what I'm talking about.

The current model of "trickle-down", spending money like drunken sailors and giving the rich and large corporations everything they want doesn't work because in todays day and age, it never "trickles down". It's a morally bankrupt system that's destroying this country from within.

Hey, I'm a union bubba myself.

Cheers. :dem:

[Perry Logan]

10. Wingers are pathologically incapable of self-criticism. They just don't know they're screw-ups.

[LWolf]

12. Is this a right-wing phenomenon, or a group identity

and group/think phenomenon?

You could say the same thing about many Democrats, who don't want to acknowledge and address some significant inner-party problems.

You could say the same thing about any organized group of people; nobody wants to look within. It doesn't take the form of nationalism for every group, but it seems to be their in some form; the "good guys" vs "bad guys" syndrome, where "we" are ALWAYS the "good guys."