I am so rooting for Rudy.

[cali]

Aside from the fact that he'd be easy for any dem nominee to defeat, I am so looking forward to entertaining scene of the exploding heads of the religious wingnuts.

Rimjob has posted this idiot thread over at website. Most of the 250 plus responses from his syncophants are predictably in total agreement.

Open Letter From Rooty Tooter To Conservatives.

Posted on 10/12/2007 12:38:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson


If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, then we can win the presidency.

Sincerely,

Rudy Tooter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910430/posts

Maybe Rimjob will commit virtual ritual suicide if Guiliani is nominated.

[skids]

1. Though the scary thing is...

...I remember saying "This idiot couldn't possibly get elected" in 2000.

[LeftishBrit]

28. I remember family members saying in 1979...

"Maggie Thatcher can't win. The sort of people, who support her views, would never vote for a woman!"

[renie408]

2. Me, too! n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Jackpine Flashback:

Jackpine, 1980: Jeez, I think the Republicans are actually gonna be stupid enough to nominate Raygun--the only one of their candidates Carter can beat, what with that 20% inflation and those hostages hanging around his neck.

[cali]

4. Reagan and Rudy can't be compared as you did.

Here's why: Repukes loved and were enthused about Reagan. He went into the election with a solidly united party behind him. The opposite is true of Rudy. He's splitting the party already, and no there's no chance of healing the rift.

[Jackpine Radical]

25. You may be right.

I was just reporting the flashback, and implicitly, my lack of predictive ability.

[sufrommich]

5. He was against George jr.

during the 2000 primaries too. Called him a coke addled idiot. He quickly changed his tune once he got the parties nom. He'll do the same with Rudy.
I'm rooting for Rudy too,though. No matter how hard to the right he runs, the whacko rep base has detected his smell from miles away.Imagine the "flip - flopper" fun the Dems will have with this guy.

[slackmaster]

6. The problem with this theory is failure to account for the moderate Republicans and independents

I believe a large chunk of Republican voters are a lot more moderate than the far-right social conservatives who largely control the GOP.

My conclusion at present, subject to revision, is that among present front-runners in the Rep camp Rudy is the one we should least want to be running against. He's got the fewest negatives among conservative Democrats, moderate GOPers, and independents.

I hope I'm wrong, but reason tells me otherwise.

[cali]

7. The religious right constitutes enough of the party

so that if even half don't vote or vote third party because of Rudy, the party is sunk. And his negatives will rise madly if he's nominated. The dirt in his background is prodigious; from his ugly personal life to Bernie Kerik.

You should rethink your position. Both Fred and Mitt are stronger candidates.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Dance With The One That Brung Ya

I see both parties, at the end of the proverbial day, going with the base plus policy, and if they do I see Freddy or the Mittster as stronger candidates...That being said, Thompson looks so enervated on the trail I don't think he can stand the rigors of a campaign...He's only sixty but looks like seventy...Reagan was sixty nine when he ran was president but he was a remarkably robust sixty none year old man...

[sufrommich]

13. Thomson looks and acts

as if someone were holding a gun to head to make a bid for the presidency.I think he was talked into it by right wingers in his party who hoped to hold him up as an alternative to the "moderates" running and only grudgingly agreed to it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. How Much Work Does It Take To Be Arthur Branch?

DSB

[sufrommich]

20. Well, for starters

his handlers can't yell "cut" when he flubs his lines.}(

[AlinPA]

11. I hope your prediction comes true.

[slackmaster]

12. Counting on the GOP to be fractured by a third party is a risky strategy, don't you think?

It worked once, but I think we'd be better off finding a candidate who appeals to a majority of the people.

[cali]

15. I don't think so.

Imagine if the leading dem candidate had a strong anti-abortion record and was against any gay rights. Do you think there would be a significant number of dems who wouldn't vote? And it's not so much about a third party as it is about a depression of the votes of a significant minority of the party.

[slackmaster]

29. I don't understand the mindset of anyone who sits out an election

Not really in the thread of discussion, but shirking an opportunity to vote just gives more power to everyone who does vote. It seems so illogical to stay home on election day just because nobody fits all of your requirements.

I've seen it on both sides in this one, like Republicans declaring they'd pick Satan himself over Hillary, but won't vote for Rudy because he's not anti-abortion enough to suit them.

Makes. No. Sense.

[sufrommich]

8. I think the difference is that moderate republicans

will vote for right wing loons(obviously),but they don't seem able to pull off elections anymore without their loony base. They let the genie out of the bottle when they appealed to the crazy element in their party to win elections,I doubt they'll sulk away quietly.Just my opinion.

[AlinPA]

10. I have some concern about Rudy winning in PA. I don't have polling data,

but I'm still worried about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Voila

October 10, 2007 - Clinton Express Rolls Through Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds --- FLORIDA: Clinton 46 - Giuliani 43; OHIO: Clinton 46 - Giuliani 40; PENNSYLVANIA: Clinton 48 - Giuliani 42

http://quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1109

[book_worm]

32. too close for comfot

[Neshanic]

38. Thanks for those numbers. Gee I wonder where those people who

gave me so much grief about how no such numbers existed for a race between Hillary and Rudy.

A bit too close for comfort.

[AlinPA]

39. Thank you. We still have hard work to do if she gets the nomination.

[JNelson6563]

14. Same here

Of course I remember back in the day when RimJob was railing against W as the nominee. hahaha

But I do think it would be like shooting fish in a barrel if Rudy were the nominee. I'm hoping right along with ya!

Julie

[rAVES]

18. What a bunch of hypocritical wankers...

"pro life" my arse! colour one of them babies brown and put a turban on it... see how pro life they are then.

[ThePowerofWill]

19. Kinda rooting for Rudy as well.

No way in hell he could win the South. The base in the South would vote for Hillary, a southern born lady way before they vote for a cross dressing, Catholic, yankee from New York.

No offense meant to our Northern friends with the yankee comment. Just trying to illustrate how Rudy would come off in the minds of most Johnny Rebs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Hill Was Born In Illinois

I'm not as sanguine about the south as you...I think most southern states would vote for Fidel Castro if he had a (R) after his name...That being said, I think the Dems can turn Florida blue, and that should be more than enough...

[ThePowerofWill]

24. I stand corrected, thanks for the enlightenment.

But, Rudy would go over like a lead balloon in the South "R" or not. This is of course dependent on how he gets treated in the media, and what folks see. If they see the "gun grabbing, pro choice, cross dressing, Pope worshiping, yankee" he's toast. Thats why i think they are trying hard to shove Fred down the R's throats now

[Turn CO Blue]

21. It would be kinda fun to watch Grandpa Thompson get the R nod

and then watch him sleep through campaigning and the debates,though... Ol' Fred would get demolished by ANY of our candidates.

But yes! The Focus on Facism group has already said they will vote third-party instead of voting for anybody in favor of choice.

[skipos]

23. A Dame Rudy nomination has it's advantages but

I think there are MANY people out there who vote for the "R" no matter what. My feeling is that there are many more Dems who like shooting themselves in the foot and voting 3rd party.

I'm rooting for Mittens. If he wins the nomination, it is because he bought it with his own money. There is very little actual support for him, he wouldn't win his homestate, his religion would cost him some votes, and he has flip flopped on every position he has had.

[defendandprotect]

26. Are computers electing people, or are people electing people?

THAT may be the question of 2008 . . . again.

[cali]

27. what about 2006? n/t

[defendandprotect]

30. 2006 -- a larger majority was stolen from the Dems . . .. .according to Palast . . .

he points out that the Repugs -- famous for contesting races EVEN FOR YEARS!!!! ---
failed to contest many of their losses by razor thin margins . .
and he thinks it's because a test of the totals would show huge steals even behind their losses.

I believe it -- !!!

[book_worm]

31. Watch out for what you wish for

Dems thought that Reagan and Bush II would be a piece of cake too.

[Neshanic]

37. It's not far fetched to see hin get the nomination. There are many

republicans that will vote for him because of his "moderate" tone. Also there are some lurking Democrats that may cross over to the dark side.

Stranger things have happened.

[Dark]

33. Wow. Osama next to John Kerry.

just, wow.

[Douglas Carpenter]

34. I suspect Rudy would fracture the GOP in a very big way

since the late 1970s the Republican strategy has been to a large extent based on appealing to social conservatives who might otherwise be swing voters or possibly even Democrats.

Rudy is a right-wing extremist on foreign policy issues -- way to the right of the Bush Administration. That's what makes him so scary. But the typical small town or suburbanite social conservative who has voted Republican for the past twenty or so years is not focused on foreign policy that much. They fantasize of returning America to "Leave it to Beaver" days.

Also many single-issue NRA type voters who might otherwise be swing voters or even Democrats will have a hard time seeing any difference between him and electing a Democrat.

Rudy is likely to blow the Reagan era GOP coalition completely out of the water. However, if we look at his polling numbers - we should not be complacent for one minute and completely discount the dreadful possibility. He is within striking distance of the White House. Especially if we consider that there might be a number of socially moderate or liberal swing voters attracted to him by misinterpreting his relatively moderate positions on social issues as defining him as a moderate or even liberal Republican.

[alittlelark]

35. I don't want him to get the nod.....

There are WAAAAY too many stooopid and/or IGNORANT Americans that pay more attn to Brittney/Anna/Lindsey..........

I am embarrassed by that fact - really, I am! I don't want to see a horrific 9-11 presidential ad campaign potentially derail a good D candidate.

Ya know that's what he's gonna do.

I would like to think better of my American Compatriots..... but - DAMN, ignorance and stupidity are harsh masters.

[Baby Snooks]

36. The Republican Mindset...

Just as Democrats are expected to "fall into line" the Republicans are expected to "fall into line" as well and in the case of the Republicans, the mindset at this point may be "anything is better than a Democrat."

Rudy will look good to them even with the various scandals. Including the Mafia connection. Although it must be pointed out that the Mafia has more ethics than the slimeballs the Bushes have twice invaded Washington with. One of whom was pardoned by Bush I and brought back by Bush II. Elliot Abrams ring a bell? Then you have Ed Meese lurking about. And quite a few others. Rudy will fit right in. Always has.

Don't underestimate the Republican mindset. They are all quite intent on retaining their power. By hook or by crook.