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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:30 PM Original message |
Hanging Witch effigy; Hate Crime or anti-Hillary statement? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Quintessential freedom of speech |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Oh yeah? Try hanging Bushler in effigy on your front lawn and see what happens... |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. HELL YOU can't even wear a T-Shirt that is negative to bush |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. So . . . organized crime types turn up in ladies' sunglasses? |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. No, the SS (Secret Service) will have a few questions for you, to say the least |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. I was kinda kidding. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Exactly. THAT would be deemed a death threat |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Sorry, Bush effigies are protected too. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Yeah, only in 'the protected free speech zones'! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I'm thinking around 2004. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Okay. Where do you remember this picture from? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I think it was Berkeley. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Thank you. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. Just political figures, or anyone? |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Tasteless political joke |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Wild Hunt link isn't working well. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. We need a two headed monster - hillary and bush |
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fedupfisherman (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hate crime n/t |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. FYI, the hate crime allegation is from a pagan |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
46. Is that a real Pagan? That is some questions I've encountered. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. She calls herself a witch and then claims witches don't cast spells? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
80. SHe's more of a new ager |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. Could be either. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
10. I liked this post from the witchvox site |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You would make a judgement? Who are you to judge freedom of speech? |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If a skinhead spraypaints swastikas in front of a synagogue |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. the skinhead cannot.... |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I'm still not seeing where deciding something is hate speech |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Good point. This act was very degrading to Pagans.... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. We have alot more acceptance here in MAss then anywhere else |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Some are hinting that the mask on the effigy is of Hillary Clinton. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Sounds like a newager and not a witch |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Yup! That's one of the reasons I asked , in the OP, if this was just plain silly! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I think it is a mask of her. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I don't know if this mask is of Hillary or not. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Frankly, this effigy hanging show the so-called 'tolerance' of so-called Christians.... |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. I am talking about |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. You're welcome. Thank you for posting one of the elusive Witchvox comments. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
14. It's one of those things I have to tune out |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
31. Hate Crime? Are you trying to make that term meaningless? |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Not from me. There are Pagan decrying this. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Still not a hate crime... |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. Still, the term came from others here. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
32. Let's see, pointy hat, broom, close to Halloween |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. of course they wiLL |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. To those in the Pagan community this is a hate crime. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. ok, i'LL Laugh at you now |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Frankly, You're intentions are shown. You want to ridicule Pagans. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. actuaLLy, i'm with you |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Okay. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. was he a pagan too? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. just let it go hun |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. You know, or may not know, I work midnights. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Go get some sleep |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. And what makes you the spokesperson for all the Pagan community? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. She is voicing the feelings of many Pagans |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. No, she is purporting to speak for the entire Pagan community, to wit |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. So her wording was a bit off |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
34. Hate Crime |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. What crime is being committed? |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. huh, I wonder what would happen to me |
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davsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
44. How about I hang an effigy of a non-specific Pope or Rabbi.... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Would I have a problem with it? Yes. |
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davsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I can't say I appreciate a lot of the stuff I see and hear in the world. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
48. No there's not the discriminating range existing between Blacks and Wiccians. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. It really comes down to intent |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Because it was put up as a halloween decoration on his own property? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Except this person wasn't discriminating against wiccians. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. How do you know that? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Because there isn't any evidence that the person is. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Okay. You've really gone way off here. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I have no superstitions about you or your kind. |
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nickgutierrez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
60. No different from burning the flag, IMO. |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Bunk! Burning the flag does not a statement make that 'we will hang you'! |
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nickgutierrez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. By that logic... |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Weather or not the effigy is Hillary, the point seen by the Pagan Community... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. LOL |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
75. Oh .... Never mind. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I thought Ann Coulter |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
77. It's a Halloween decoration ... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
78. People can decorate their own yards how they want |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Yee Haw! A decoration of Native Americans being hanged and shot |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. When somebody does that, let me know |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Oh lovely! It's okay for somebody to do that to me, huh? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Not in your yard. But yeah, they can hang it in their own yard |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. we put up this "crashing witch" decoration. Is it a hate crime? |
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icymist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. That's not a hate crime, just poor navigation. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. I find that one very funny |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
85. delete dupe |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Deleted also. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
91. Prepare for battle. I consider this The War On Halloween! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Bah they've had that for years |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I've always loved Halloween too. It's my favorite time of the year. |
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