But why do you think it makes any difference who the Democrats nominate?

[planetc]

I am amazed by the amount of energy expended here by people arguing about who is the most electable candidate, or who is the most authentic, or the most attractive, or the least bought and sold.

It's as though you all think the elections work. It's as though you believe that if we run the best candidate, he or she will ... win.

We HAVE run the best candidate, in 2000 and in 2004, and they WON, and they were not sworn into office.

Does this give you pause at all?

Honestly, do you believe the elections of this country are in our hands? If so, you haven't been reading what I've been reading, either on this board, or on links provided by this board.

So many of you talk as though "electability" made a difference to the way the country is going to be run. You seem to think that the revolution will be announced on TV.

Reality has been announced on TV, and it is Sean Hannity, and Michelle Malkin, and Tucker Carlson. You are waiting for them to..wake up? I am afraid it will be a long wait.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Well, that settles it then.

I guess we should all forget about voting - just stay home and assume it's all pointless.

[spanone]

2. ok i quit....darnet

ht

[NanceGreggs]

15. Hey, spanone!

Wanna come over to my place on Sentimental Ritual Day and watch Hannity and Malkin instead of wasting our time voting?

There will be refreshments :toast: :popcorn: - and yes, :smoke: is allowed!

[planetc]

5. Well, isn't it pointless?

Hello, Nancy--

I've enjoyed your rants enormously.

But, if we have seen two general elections stolen, with connivance by the major media, why do we expend energy trying to select the best candidate?

If Al Gore was elected in 2000, and John Kerry was elected in 2004, why do we think the general election of 2008 will be different? Are we sure there will be a 2008 general election? I'm not.

I am suggesting that we could spend our energy and our time more wisely than pumping both into a system that is clearly broken.

[applegrove]

3. Don't give up. We won the 2006 midterm elections. So there is hope.

[planetc]

7. I haven't given up at all. And the 2006 elections were probably cooked too.

In 2006, the Democrats were expected to win more seats than they did.

I do not know who actually won all the contested seats, because the elections are thoroughly corrupted. We can't trust the results they announce. We have no idea who really won.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. Oh, yes, they were cooked, too.

According to some things I read there was MORE fraud of a wide array of types in '06 than in any previous election -- IOW, they did their damndest to steal that one, but underestimated what it would take. They won't make that mistake again.

And with only a 2 pt difference between Hillary and Ghouliani, it won't take much.

[Blashyrkh]

14. I don't buy for a second they "tried and failed".

There weren't many Dems elected that were prepared to stand up for what YOU want. Most of them sat and rolled over on command. I'd call that a win.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. I agree. They didn't exactly "fail" -

they just didn't win as completely as they wanted to. They certainly didn't expect the Senate to flip - neither did I, for that matter. But in the end, if the "Democratic controlled" congress doesn't do anything to control, then nothing has really changed.

[monktonman]

4. Yup, me too. I give up.

Does this mean if I dont vote,
my vote cant be stolen from me.
Damn, that makes alot of sense.

Sounds like something a ten year old would say but hey, I've always been young at heart.

[planetc]

6. Well, yes

If you don't vote, your vote can't be stolen. If you do vote, it can be stolen, and has been stolen.

Do you really believe that the American electorate has chance in hell of deciding who will govern us? That' s my question. What's your opinion?

[monktonman]

8. My opinion???? well...............

I think that if I DONT vote then no, I dont have a chance in hell of deciding who governs me.
I also think that if I dont vote, based on your logic, that I'm just playing right into the hands of the likes of Karl Rove and friends. (you?)

I also think, and this is just my opinion of course, that thousands of our guys have died throughout the years to protect my right to vote, and I owe it to them to do so even if I question the process or the results of the vote. I will not let them down.

If I dont vote, I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BITCH!

Now, on the other hand, if you think that theres something wrong with the process (believe me, I think the vote has been stolen as well)then rather than discouraging others from voting,
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

If you dont want to waste a few hours of your precious time standing in line to use your right to vote, then dont, I could give a shit.
As for me, I'll be spending my entire day at the polls witnessing the wonderful thing that is our American democracy.

[planetc]

9. Bitch all you want to, you still don't have the right to have your vote counted.

So, you do think that votes, perhaps large numbers of them, have been stolen in this country?

And you're still going out to vote on "election" day?

Fine, but I don't see that this is more than a sentimental ritual until we fix the voting process.

[monktonman]

10. So you think not voting will "fix" the process.

Like I said in my earlier post,
sounds like the logic of a ten year old.
Thanks for posting, I'm through with you now.

[budibudinski]

11. I actually have to agree with you. I have this deep seated fear that

the fate of the next election is already a done deal. I believe the Rovian election committee has already chosen Bush's successor. With the power & $$$ they have acquired since 2000, I truely don't believe they will give any of it up because the US voters insist on choosing a new person.
I just cannot see the Bush/Cheney group to give up any power. They are not finished yet.

[NanceGreggs]

13. Going with your theory ...

... nobody votes, nobody's votes get stolen - the corollary being that NO VOTES get counted either, simply because they aren't there.

Have votes been stolen? Yes, of course. Small numbers in some places, much larger numbers in others.

We won majorities in 2006 - even though there were many posts here about the futility of it all. Did we win as BIG as we should have? No, probably not, because vote fraud is still out there. But as the number of votes for Democrats gets larger across the board, fraud becomes more and more difficult to pull off.

The way things stand right now, there is no doubt that the votes will be cast in 2008 in greater numbers for Dems than Republicans - even the GOP is admitting to the hole they're in. And the evidence is out there, in surveys, polls, the fact that contributions to Democratic candidates is far outweighing the cash coming in for Republicans.

A recent study completed last fall shows that the split between those identifying themselves as Democrats now outdistances those identifying themselves as Republicans - when it was a 50-50 split just three years ago. In addition, more first-time voters are registering as Democrats than Republicans.

At this juncture, I have no doubt that there will still be some shenanigans in 2008 re vote counts, and we probably won't win as big as we would have if such fraud did not exist.

However, we have finally come to a point where MAJOR fraud will be readily apparent - and if there's one thing the powers-that-be DON'T want scrutinized it's vote fraud, and their hand in it lo these many elections.

As for 'skipping' voting while we focus on fixing what is wrong with our voting systems, exactly WHAT will be accomplished by THAT? Put the Republicans back in the WH and the majority in both houses, and you can scream your head off about vote fraud - do you actually think they're going to pay any attention, launch investigations into caging, voter roll expulsions without cause, Diebold???

There is only ONE chance to 'fix' the problems with the current voting system, and that is to get enough Democrats in office to initiate the appropriate investigations, et cetera.

Remember one thing: The Democrats are the ones who have LOST elected positions due to vote fraud, while the Republicans have GAINED seats because of it. So who do you think is the most likely party to want THAT particular swamp drained?

I'll be voting next election day, same as always - and I don't see it as a sentimental ritual. I see it as the most important duty I have as a citizen.

[monktonman]

16. Thanks Nanc...wish I had the words to say it as well as you. n/t