So what is wrong with triangulation

[nadinbrzezinski]

I will tell you what is wrong

You do it all the time, in the end you will not know what you stand for

What is more, you do it all the time... and the only thing you care about is focus groups, not core principles

That is the problem with triangulation

I will tell you the other problem... and Stark is a perfect example

If this was the preferred tactic during the McCarthy period, I'm almost betting US History would be very different

Sir you have no shame?

Is he nuts,

We condemn it...

The Committee on American Activities would still be in session

Oh and by the way... we have a chief executive who made fun of Carla Fay Tucker and the non existent WMSs...

So Stark called the chickenhawks exactly what they are

But the fingers are out... and focus groups, and oh my, we should never use this horrible language

Never mind the other side not only uses it, but does it regularly

Look at Mr. Pitts selection of what they have said... and how nobody has called then on it

By the way... how many soldier's funerals has this so called commander in chief has attended?

As a military wife (husband is now thankfully retired), yo triangulators, you are fucking insane!

And it is your triangulation that WILL LOOSE the American people to you

Show some spine, and stop testing the air with your damn fingers

That is all.

[rodeodance]

1. nothing. It is code for bashing Hillary

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Glad you read that into this

by the way... should the party have condemed a very brave man who said, Sir you have no shame?

and do you care to deal with the issue here, and that is constant triangulation has removed spines from leadership?

[FogerRox]

12. Old version of triangulation.

Now that the pendulum is swinging left, one should triangulate to the left. At least the smart ones will.

[stranger81]

5. Bullshit. Triangulation is a much, much bigger issue than HRC . . . . .

she's not the only or even the worst offender.

[rusty quoin]

3. Every time they use that strategy, the Democratic Party becomes more like them.

Edwards was on Bill Maher tonight and he said again what I have heard him say before, and I completely agree: Don't give them an inch.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Exactly

and it has been said before, if you have a democrat that behaves like a republican, the republican will win every time

But what would Trumman know?

Some of our leaders earlier in the century would take these guys behind the shed and give them such a whooping if they could come back from the grave

Hell, the Founding Fathers would hit them over the head with the Constitution!

[Beerboy]

6. I've said it before, I'll say it again,

your writing isn't clear. I don't know what you're trying to say.
I'll probably try to read it again, though.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. kick

[PATRICK]

8. Classic triangulation revisited

This was sort of a young Turks(think Armenian massacre) strategy at first and best evinced by Tony Blair destroying Thatcher and confining the Conservative party. What though in the end has that most successful
and unsustainable politics arrived at? The moral corruption of Labor, government abuses, war, fall of Blair. It never worked that way in the US. There was no reaction against the sainted Reagan or much against the tired Bush I. The sides of the triangle crushed Clinton into being GOP lite, making ground breaking concessions on corporations and war and civil rights and the poor- with very little benefit to the party- to put it kindly. Co-option failed and all the good undone and the compromises opened wider to the worst of corporatist abuses including the crushing of the democratic and legal system itself.

If the supposedly hapless other sides of the triangle were played off and held at bay in Britain it cost the soul of the people power party and sacrificed them in the trap it cleverly created for the maintaining of fulcrum power. It is unattainable here and in any event the other sides of triangle can team up. The people power part even with all the rationality and concessions in the world are vulnerable to classic World tyranny, plain and simple lies and violence and protected crime.

The DLC persists in pretending to be a lion tamer that feeds the beast and keeps the circus going, yet they wander in reality in a jungle with wooden rifles, poor skills and a ready supply of people bearers for the tigers to pick off- before touching the Bwana party elites. When the tigers pick off the eternally startled High Dems no lesson is learned.

We are connected in a struggle for the survival of civilization. Where greed and power connect to the cause of truth and human need is conflict- not accommodation. Law and criminality are not similarly victims to a triangle point where power must define their right to exist. They are in eternal conflict.
Making the triangle points clever mush enables the people to lose, in pacifying application to be crushed.

In civilization, trade and commerce in the hands of the few and the greedy, goes hand in hand with the exercise of state power in the hands of the those with the most ruthless lust and disdain for the commons. Politicians not surprisingly are those more gifted in compromise than in actual leadership or dedication to duty and truth. Playing games with this fundamental status quo can never work philosophically to create some pragmatist Utopia. People and real populist leaders and those with the talents and dynamism to be servants dedicated to law and truth and human basics are the only- and vulnerable- hope to keep the wheels on the world. Corrupted specialists of the other triangle sides cannot lead, cannot solve or resolve reality into their destructive visions- or lack thereof.

In short two can play at that non-democratic game and when it comes to playing tough and successful, the GOP and the plutocrats always own those ruthless, insane and dedicated cards. Getting the Dems(in highest party power) to abandon their only unique strength(among the people and in service and duty) to play their rigged game is all that the clever strategy is about today. And play it stupidly and repeatedly they do, expending political support like dimes in a slot machine.

[durrrty libby]

9. "WILL LOOSE"? It's hysterical when people capitalize their spelling errors,

especially when accompanied by a grand flaming schlock

[cali]

10. YOU are a DLC

enabling collaborator tool, attempting to silence a courageous voice here.

[durrrty libby]

11. Courage is just another word for nothing left to "loose"

:toast:

[Whisp]

18. why you durrrty little....

ha!
hurry, you can probably still edit your username! Best way to to do it is 'log off'.

:rofl:

[hfojvt]

15. Loose is not really a spelling errer

It's a context error. The word "loose" is properly spelled and will not be caught by a spell-checking program unless there are more cognizant programs that can determine that it should be 'lose'.

Also, sometimes writer's here will make a delibarate spelling error as sort of a Cunning Trap to catch anal retentive Heffalumps who are unwilling to discuss substance. Also, it kinda lightens the mood of any otherwise deadly Sirius rant.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

16. ...

Agreed. My take on this type of personality: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2088065&mesg_id=2096727

[durrrty libby]

21. My very own stalker. Isn't that special?

[durrrty libby]

22. "errer" ??? Thanks. Enjoyed the lecture. Very informative

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Almost forgot about "deadly Sirius rant" Is that like whining on a radio, in a non-serious way?

[bobbolink]

19. Personal attacks are SOOOO much cooler and effective than actually dealing with the issues.

[Yael]

13. We the People is sooooo last year

It is We the Corporations that count now.

:toast:

[stimbox]

14. Great post Nadin.

I see the DLC tools are attacking your grammar and spelling rather than your arguement.
As usual, they got nothing.

[bobbolink]

17. Absolutely nothing, if you really like the RW.

:hi:

"Show some spine, and stop testing the air with your damn fingers"

:yourock:

[Whisp]

20. great post, as always. k&r

keep that keyboard clicking, nadin. I find your posts extremely informative and thought provoking.

[Wiley50]

23. Triagulation = Strangulation

unable to breathe freedom for all the stagnation