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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:10 PM
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''Rudy's Five Big Lies About 9/11'' by Wayne Barrett
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 09:12 PM by Gabi Hayes
1. 'I think the thing that distinguishes me on terrorism is, I have more experience dealing with it.'

2. 'I don't think there was anyplace in the country, including the federal government, that was as well prepared for that attack as New York City was in 2001.'

3. Don't blame me for 7 WTC, Rudy says.

4. 'Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.'

5. 'Every effort was made by Mayor Giuliani and his staff to ensure the safety of all workers at Ground Zero.'


http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0732,barrett,77463,6.html






this blends into the just the other day scoop from Barrett, regarding Rudy's 'sealed' 911 Commission testimony, discussed by David Shuster, I think, last night, but, from what I've seen/read, nobody else (including Olbermann ?, on whose show I saw it) has mentioned it

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0743,barrett,78158,6.html

In a recent broadside deriding the Clinton administration's response to Al Qaeda, Rudy Giuliani told an audience at Pat Robertson's Regent University: "Bin Laden declared war on us. We didn't hear it. I thought it was pretty clear at the time, but a lot of people didn't see it, couldn't see it." Other tenets of his standard stump speech include the assertion that he's been "studying terrorism" for more than 30 years, and that "the thing that distinguishes me on terrorism is that I have more experience in dealing with it" than the other presidential candidates.

However, in private testimony before the 9/11 Commission in 2004, Rudy gave a very different version of how much he knew about terrorism when the World Trade Center was attacked. That testimony isn't scheduled to be released publicly until after the 2008 presidential election, but the Voice has obtained a copy of it. And it reveals a New York mayor who was anything but an "expert on terrorism."

A 15-page "memorandum for the record," prepared by a commission counsel and dated April 20, 2004, quotes Giuliani conceding that it wasn't until "after 9/11" that "we brought in people to brief us on al Qaeda." According to the memorandum, Giuliani told two commission members and five staffers: "But we had nothing like this pre 9/11, which was a mistake, because if experts share a lot of info," there would be a "better chance of someone making heads and tails" of the "situation." (Such memoranda are not verbatim transcripts of the confidential commission interviews, but are described on the cover page as "100 percent accurate" notes taken by staffers, stamped "commission sensitive/unclassified" on the top of each page.)

Asked about the “flow of information about al Qaeda threats from 1998-2001,” Giuliani said: “At the time, I wasn’t told it was al Qaeda, but now that I look back at it, I think it was al Qaeda.” He also said that as part of one of his post-9/11 briefings, “we had in Bodansky, who had written a book on bin Laden.” Giuliani was referring to Yossef Bodanksy, the author of Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America, which was published in 1999 and predicted “spectacular terrorist strikes in Washington and/or New York.” Giuliani wrote in his own book, Leadership, that Judi Nathan got him a copy of Bodansky’s prophetic work “shortly after 9/11,” and that he covered it in “highlighter and notes,” citing his study of it as an example of how he “mastered a subject.” Apparently, he also invited Bodansky to address key members of his staff.



I checked here, and at google, and couldn't find any discussion here about the second link....first link is almost three months old, and I wasn't around when that came out

anybody care? can you imagine if the tables were turned, and any prospective dem candidate had this sort of monkey on his/her back?

where's that mean old liberal media?



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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:13 PM
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1. there were a few links here the other day, but only this today
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:18 PM
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2. this is just about IT:
http://angrybear.blogspot.com/

transcript:

SHUSTER: In Greek myth, Cassandra was the prophet whose warnings were to be cursed never to be heeded until it was too late. In presidential politics, Rudy Giuliani has become the prophet whose warnings he has cursed never to have issued until it was too late. On the campaign trail he talks about his terrorism scholarship before 9/11 and says only he saw the real danger posed by al Qaeda. But in our fourth story in the COUNTDOWN: A secret document which you were never meant to say until after November 2008 has now been leaked refuting Giuliani‘s claim with his own words. Typical displaying a foresight was a presidential campaign speech to summer which he discussed in 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It was a big mistake to not recognize that it was a terrorist act and an act of war, and then we were attacked at Cobart Towers, Kenya, Tanzania, 17 of our sailors killed on the USS COLE and the United States government under then President Clinton, didn‘t respond. Bin Laden declared war on us, we didn‘t hear it. I thought it was pretty clear at the time, but a lot of people didn‘t see it, couldn‘t see it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHUSTER: Never mind that al Qaeda‘s culpability for the COLE was only established after Mr. Bush‘s election and Mr. Bush then did nothing about it.

http://angrybear.blogspot.com/

I found not one, single, solitary mention of this in M$M. will it ever get discussed, or be ignored, ala Bush/TANG, when Rudy gets the nom?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:20 PM
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3. Wayne Barrett is a great reporter
Rudy didn't even know his father had been arrested for armed robbery as a youth until Barrett wrote a biography about him.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:32 PM
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5. Sing Sing. and Rudy 'forgot' to tell FBI agents about his father's felony when
they questioned him routinely after being nominated as Federal Prosecutor

a standard question for all prospective DAs (or whatever they call them) is whether any family members are convicted felons. apparently Rudy said 'no'

didn't Scooter get convicted of lying to Feds?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:32 PM
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4. This should be a gorilla on Rudy's back if the word gets out.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:35 PM
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6. key word, and don't hold your breath:
IF

it's out

it's being ignored

I wonder what will happen when (IF) the dems start talking about it

my guess: M$M will call it a smear campaign (Swiftboating?) of St. Rudy by evil dems, then they'll diligently ignore it, after mentioning it once or twice (in derisive smear context)
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:36 PM
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7. Guiliani is a pain
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:39 PM
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8. har...as of this moment, number one at google link:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 10:55 PM
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9. Kick.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:01 AM
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10. three days later, and still nothing new on google news.
not one M$M outlet has anything to say about this story

what about here?

http://news.google.com/news?q=giuliani+sealed+911+commission+testimony&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:07 AM
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11. has he ever been forced to answer any of these questions?
http://www.911independentcommission.org/giuliani31804.html


here are a few. will these ever be discussed in a meaningful way?

5. As Mayor of New York City, did you interface with either the FBI/NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) or the FBI’s Bin Laden Unit from January 2001 to September 11, 2001? If so, what was the extent of your communications with them? What actions, if any, were taken on behalf of your administration at the request of the JTTF or the Bin Laden Unit?

6. What precautions were put in place after the 1993 WTC bombing to protect the citizens of New York City and the occupants of the WTC in the likely event of another attack?

7. After the 1993 bombing of the WTC, what, if any, measures were taken to ensure that in the next emergency, the evacuation of the WTC occupants would be swifter, more methodical, and more decisive?

8. What "Memorandums of Understanding,"(MOUs) if any, were in effect between the PA of NY&NJ, the City of New York, the FDNY and any other emergency agency that would address the need to respond to an emergency at the WTC? What legal implications, if any, did these MOU’s have? If they had no legally binding effect, then for what purpose did such agreements exist?

9. What, if any, emergency plan did the City of New York have in place prior to and/or on 9/11, considering that NYC was a "prime" terrorist target?

10. Why did you ask to have your records as Mayor of New York City sealed for 25 years?

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:55 PM
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12. Mr 911 is an arrogant, pompous, lying Asshole.
Yeah, he qualifies as the Repug Candidate.
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