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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:17 PM
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"Liberal Fascism," Book By Columnist Jonah Goldberg, Hacked at Amazon.com
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 08:18 PM by Newsjock
Source: Editor and Publisher

Jonah Goldberg, the conservative Los Angeles Times and syndicated columnist, has been working on a book called "Liberal Fascism" for quite some time, long enough for it to undergo at least a couple of name changes.

Now someone--presumably not a fan--has hacked the book's entry at online bookseller amazon.com. It's current title -- at least momentary at that site -- is "Liberal Fascism: The Totalitarian Temptation from When I Got My Advance Until I Finally Hand in the Manuscript in 2011."

The cover on the page shows a smiley face with a Hitler moustache.

Read more: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003664446



http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-Totalitarian-Temptation-manuscript/dp/0385511841/ref=sr_1_1/002-2977765-8252849?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193534312&sr=8-1
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:25 PM
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1. Maybe if Hitler was a liberal, the Bushes will finally be ashamed of helping him.
:shrug:
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:33 AM
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22. Careful now, Freepers would point out Kennedy.
nt
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:28 PM
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2. Still there
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:33 PM
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3. Where's Swamp Rat?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:46 PM
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5. !
:spray: bwahahahahaha! :spray:

Hmmmm ... come to think of it, where IS that scamp?!


Swampy would've had MORE fun w/it, though {loves that SwampRat, I do!}.

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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:36 PM
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4. BBBBBWWWAAAAHHHHH
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:19 PM
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6. That sooo made my day
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 09:20 PM by Maccagirl
Jonah the whale and mama are so annoying and irrelevant.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:26 PM
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7. The Nazi party included the word "socialist", from this a Great Lie was born.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 09:26 PM by McCamy Taylor
From wiki:

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity through oppression and coercion, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism


Also from Wiki:

Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.<1> Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government.<2> All liberals – as well as some adherents of other political ideologies – support the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law


This means that "Fascist Liberalism" or "Liberal Fascism" is an oxymoron, and the correct use for this book, if it is ever published, is to wait for it to reach the bargain bin then put it by the toilet where it can provide light entertainment before substituting for tp to save a tree.

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:31 PM
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8. Jonah's a moron. He probably uses oxy
Is Jonah an oxymoron?
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:24 PM
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11. He's a moronic ox
spewing oxymorons from one end and bullshit from the rear. That much is clear.
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:06 PM
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10. Classical Liberalism
I think that most of what you highlight refers to Classical Liberalism (e.g. Adam Smith, John Locke, etc.) This is not socialism.


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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:23 AM
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21. great analysis
Liberalism rules!! :woohoo:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 09:38 PM
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9.  Sidebar: "Universal Fascism" was authored by Michael Ledeen
He's part of the main enemy of US-our domestic enemies that are going to be brought to accountability for what they have done to US through this unelected criminal administration.

Michael Ledeen page from Source Watch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Michael_Ledeen
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:36 PM
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12. The Hitler Smiley IS the cover; that wasn't the work of a hacker, but it was the work of a hack. nt
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:49 PM
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13. Never mind the real similarities between Bush and the Nazis
I'm sure Jonah's imagined similarities between liberals and fascists are much funnier.

I sincerely doubt this guy would recognize an actually burgeoning fascism until it started rounding people up. Oh, wait, they've already started doing that. My bad.
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sorrywrongemail Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:52 PM
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14. The word Liberal has been forever poisoned
I'm sticking with progressive or socialist.
I can't imagine how that can be tarnished.
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 02:49 AM
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19. You are confused. Conservative, right-wing, GOP, Republican; they have been forever poisoned...
By the traitor, war criminal Bush. Proud to be a liberal. F***
the M$M. F*** the right-wing smear machine. 
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:01 AM
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15. Moronic author, oxymoronic title.
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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:30 AM
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16. I don't even know where to begin...
As several have already pointed out the premise of this book is so hopelessly fucked and offbase I'm practically speechless. sadly, the Fox noise crowd will probably turn out in droves for this one.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:41 AM
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17. Liberal Fascism?
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 12:41 AM by SDuderstadt
I always crack up when RWers try to redefine fascism as a liberal or leftist phenomenom. They do this, of course, because they are embarrassed that fascism is actually RW (literally the merging of the state with the corporation). The real irony is their invention of the term Islamofascism and their clumsy attempts to redefine the Taliban and other Muslim fundamentalists as "liberals". Believe it or not, I have had several RWers (with no obvious grasp of either history or political systems) actually insist that there cannot be any such thing as a RW dictator and, even funnier, deny that Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Pinochet were RW dictators!

Jonah Goldberg is such an idiot.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 01:39 AM
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18. Mr. Goldberg should read this essay by Mr. Orwell
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 01:45 AM by killbotfactory
Meaningless words. In certain kinds of writing, particularly in art criticism and literary criticism, it is normal to come across long passages which are almost completely lacking in meaning.† Words like romantic, plastic, values, human, dead, sentimental, natural, vitality, as used in art criticism, are strictly meaningless, in the sense that they not only do not point to any discoverable object, but are hardly ever expected to do so by the reader. When one critic writes, "The outstanding feature of Mr. X's work is its living quality," while another writes, "The immediately striking thing about Mr. X's work is its peculiar deadness," the reader accepts this as a simple difference opinion. If words like black and white were involved, instead of the jargon words dead and living, he would see at once that language was being used in an improper way. Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different. Statements like Marshal Pétain was a true patriot, The Soviet press is the freest in the world, The Catholic Church is opposed to persecution, are almost always made with intent to deceive. Other words used in variable meanings, in most cases more or less dishonestly, are: class, totalitarian, science, progressive, reactionary, bourgeois, equality.

(snip)

In our time it is broadly true that political writing is bad writing. Where it is not true, it will generally be found that the writer is some kind of rebel, expressing his private opinions and not a "party line." Orthodoxy, of whatever color, seems to demand a lifeless, imitative style. The political dialects to be found in pamphlets, leading articles, manifestoes, White papers and the speeches of undersecretaries do, of course, vary from party to party, but they are all alike in that one almost never finds in them a fresh, vivid, homemade turn of speech. When one watches some tired hack on the platform mechanically repeating the familiar phrases -- bestial atrocities, iron heel, bloodstained tyranny, free peoples of the world, stand shoulder to shoulder -- one often has a curious feeling that one is not watching a live human being but some kind of dummy: a feeling which suddenly becomes stronger at moments when the light catches the speaker's spectacles and turns them into blank discs which seem to have no eyes behind them. And this is not altogether fanciful. A speaker who uses that kind of phraseology has gone some distance toward turning himself into a machine. The appropriate noises are coming out of his larynx, but his brain is not involved as it would be if he were choosing his words for himself. If the speech he is making is one that he is accustomed to make over and over again, he may be almost unconscious of what he is saying, as one is when one utters the responses in church. And this reduced state of consciousness, if not indispensable, is at any rate favorable to political conformity.


George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language," 1946
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

Oh my, how times have changed.
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CadenBlaker Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 05:24 AM
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20. Wow, Talk About Spin
Now they want to spin the word fascist over to the left? They spin everything! Amazing that people eat this crap up.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 07:08 AM
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23. They've been doing this for a while. A RW'er insisted to me that Hitler
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 07:12 AM by deutsey
was liberal because Nazism is short for "National Socialism".

It took a while but I finally overwhelmed him with information about what the origin of "National Socialism" really is and what fascism really means. He finally at least stopped spouting the ludicrous claims to me about those leftist Nazis.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:08 AM
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24. Did his bitch of a mother also write this one for him?
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