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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:19 AM
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Texas Board of Education chairman is strong creationist, anti-evolution.
Texas Freedom Network has done a great job of keeping up with the religious right in Texas. I thought this was interesting in the light of the fact that Florida is now planning teaching evolution openly, even using the word for it.

One state going forward, one moving backward.

TFN has obtained a recording of a 2005 lecture by Don McLeroy that reveals the newly appointed chair of the State Board of Education harbors a shocking hostility to both sound science education and religious tolerance. In his presentation, McLeroy characterizes the evolution-’intelligent design’ debate as a clash between ‘orthodox Christians’ and all others.

Texas Freedom Network


Here is an audio of Chairman Don McElroy, and a transcript:

Don McLeroy's Lecture on Evolution and 'Intelligent Design'

Let’s see, 1996 New York Times editorial, guest editorial, this is in response to a comment by someone believing in evolution, and so the guy has made this statement, “This whole issue might make for an amusing debate were it not for the potentially grave consequences for society at-large. If we’re unwilling to unilaterally brand scientific nonsense as just that regardless of the sensibilities that might be offended, religious or otherwise, then the whole notion of truth becomes itself blurred and our democratic society is in peril as much by this as any other single threat.” Of course, the guy’s threat that this guy was responding to was not the threat of Darwinism, the threat of God as the creator, and it is just amazing that they can describe my feelings exactly. This is exactly how I see this. It is such an important issue. By the way, it is my first time with PowerPoint. Daniel is making it pretty easy. This is great.

Uh, G.K. Chesterton, 100 years ago, 1908 basically, uh, made an interesting observation that is really interesting: “The Christian is quite free to believe that there’s a considerable amount of settled order and an inevitable development in the universe. But the materialist is not allowed to admit into his spotless machine the slightest speck of spiritualism or miracle.” And I think that really describes it exactly, when you want to see, these people can’t stand anything getting into their spotless machine. They can’t tolerate anything. We can tolerate a lot, but they can’t tolerate anything. And I can tell you also that the topic for today’s session about naturalism is very important. If you grasp the message of this, I think you will, uh, save yourself a lot of frustration and in this whole series of lessons we’re teaching it’s about the theory of intelligent design, about intelligent design. And William Dembski is, uh, very influential in this. He’s at Baylor, and here is our definition of what intelligent design is: it’s the biological theory, or you maybe leave off biological, theory that holds that a deciding influence was required to account for the complex information, rich structures, and living systems. And one other thing about these lessons, big tent, and this is, uh, in the big tent of evolution we all have disagreements, but we’re united in one thing, and we’re united in what we oppose. And you’ll see this later. This is the power of the deductive argument, but nature is all there is. We’re united against the fact that that’s a true statement.

But what is the main target of intelligent design? What’s the main target? Is it the chemical origin of life? Research? Well, it’s not, certainly, origin of life spontaneously arose chemically is not supported by the Bible. It’s not supported by the evidence, so maybe that is the target. But, in fact, it’s the lack of evidence of, uh, chemical origin of life and the incredible complexity of life itself that played the major role in Antony Flew, that famous British philosopher that just said that he had to abandon his atheism. So it’s very powerful, the origin of life, but that is not the main target of the intelligent design movement. Oh, it’s neo-Darwinism. Neo-Darwinism is another description term for just evolution, common descent that talks about genetic variability so it gets it more precise. And is that the target? It’s not supported by evidence, it’s not Biblical, so that must be the target of intelligent design, but really it’s not the main target either. Actually, in intelligent design we are focused on a on a bigger target, and in the words of Phillip Johnson “the target is metaphysical naturalism, materialism or just plain old naturalism. The idea that nature is all there is.” Modern science today is totally based on naturalism, and all of intelligent design’s arguments against evolution and chemical origin of life it is the naturalistic base that is the target. And this is a quote from Phillip Johnson: “The important aspect of Darwinian evolution is it’s naturalistic claim that life is the result of purposeless, unintelligent material causes. When Darwinian evolution and intelligent design stand in a complete antithesis. Intelligent design requires the designing influence to account for the complexity of life where Darwinian theory of common descent claims that life spontaneously arose.”


There is audio at the link. McElroy was appointed by Governor Perry.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:26 AM
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1. a clash between the religiously insane and the rest of humanity....
eom
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:39 AM
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2. Photos to faces
Mr. McElroy:

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:42 AM
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3. Stunningly Ignorant and Fanatical......posing as intelligent and scholarly...what an actor..
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:12 PM
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21. It was his first time with PowerPoint...
:rofl:

--IMM
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:39 PM
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25. Religious Noob Teacher...he should be dragged from his position and retired...
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:42 AM
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4. And could this by one of Don's writings?
http://www.crossroad.to/News/Seasonal/christmas-veiled.html

"The essential essence of the Christmas story is captured in a single line from “Hark the Herald Angels Sing”—“Veiled in flesh the Godhead see, Hail the Incarnate Deity”. This is the great Christian claim that the little baby born in Bethlehem is not only one hundred percent man, but also one hundred percent God! Christians also claim that this baby created the world!

A reasonable person will find this claim very hard to accept but it is this claim that is the hinge of the entire plot line of the Bible—where God creates the world and creates man in his image, man falls into sin, and the dilemma of man’s sin is solved as God will redeem man through this baby. As the angel told Joseph “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS for he shall save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21)

Today, enlightened intellectuals—not convinced of the incredible claim of the “Incarnate Deity”—are convinced of the story that “Nothing” using “Chance” created this world. But…

“It seems self-evident that if everything came from God or nothing, it must have come from God. God or Nothing leaves only one real choice—God. It would seem that if God has no competitor but Nothing, he has nothing for a competitor. "God or Nothing" and "only God" are synonymous expressions...”


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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:57 AM
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11. I have to say, off topic. Nice avatar!
the SubColbert Report!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:04 AM
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13. That image freeeeeked me out!
I am a SubGenii since 1984. When I saw Colbert as Dobbs, I almost dropped my frop!

Looky:

http://www.wikiality.com/Church_of_the_SubGenius
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:19 AM
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14. *
:thumbsup: :rofl: :thumbsup:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:47 AM
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5. And could this couple be Don's agenda-friends?
http://www.crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/Contents.html

Brave New Schools

Before You Begin

1. New Beliefs for a Global Village

2. The International Agenda

3. A New Way of Thinking

4. Establishing a Global Spirituality

5. Saving the Earth

6. Serving a Greater Whole

7. Silencing the Opposition

8. What can parents do?

CHRONOLOGY of Steps Toward International Education...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:50 AM
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16. That is very weird, especially Chapter 7, Silencing the Opposition.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:08 AM
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6. I wish these people would just put their kids in private schools and leave the rest of us alone
Or home school their kids. Fine, just leave the rest of us in the public schools alone!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:15 AM
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7. Specifically private religous schools...
I got into this education conversation with my sister....she said "One women got religion out of schools, if my son prays he gets kicked out but the other kids can cuss and the teachers do nothing about it"!

I responded if you want your son to pray openly and feel secure than why don't you put him in a religous school. I asked her would she be okay if the Muslim kids prayed four times a day, or the Buddist prayed? Crickets....You see only Christians should be allowed to pray in school.

After that I was worn out and had to let it go. I love my sister and we agree to disagree.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:18 AM
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8. Flat Earth Society strikes again.
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 02:18 AM by Swamp Rat


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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:22 AM
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9. Did I mention this is a creepy-looking dude?


The man has PERV practically tatooed on his forehead. This guy gives me the yuckies and I'm in the porn business!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:55 AM
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10. No kidding ? ...... Texas ? .....
Who'd have thought ?

Ehem .....
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:46 PM
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20. It isn't just in Texas it is happening in every state at every level of public education
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:58 AM
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12. THANK YOU for keeping the eye on the ball with this crowd. K&R.
:thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:57 AM
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17. Florida is including evolution in the standards finally, but much opposition.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:22 PM
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22. I was one of the reviewers of the standards online...
They look really good to me. I'm planning to be at the Town Meeting in Coral Springs on November 27.

--IMM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:43 PM
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23. I am pleased with the new Florida standards.
Our county has been teaching evolution and creationism, at least that is what I heard the superintendent say.

Did you see some of the letters to the editors I posted in that link. It is scary.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:20 PM
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24. I read it when you first posted.
That's what decided me on going to the Town Meeting. I wasn't expecting much resistance to the standards here in Broward, but after reading that I'm not taking any chances.

I used to teach math, and occasionally some science in NYC. I told my students, when appropriate, that they should understand evolution, and be able to explain it. They should understand that creationism or intelligent design was just not science, and didn't belong in the study of science, and I explained that it didn't follow the rubric of science. Then, what they believed was not my concern.

--IMM
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:54 AM
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15. And this surprises anyone how?
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 06:57 AM by Tesha
I think we all recognized the inherent truth of the
"Jesusland/Dumbfuckistan" map when it first came out,
and there's been no evidence yet that anything has
really changed.



Tesha
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:51 PM
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18. Ouch...oooh... a treasure of a letter written by McElroy in 2003...and responses
http://www.texscience.org/files/mcleroy.htm

The concern shown at this link about this guy makes me wonder how he became chairman. In fact at the link some wonder how he got on the school board at all.

I share your disdain for McLeroy's irrationality and contempt for science. I didn't elect him. I am doing everything I can to prevent him from accomplishing his goals. Many other scientists and science educators are also involved in this effort.
In a perfect world, individuals such as McLeroy would not be elected to the State Board of Education. But we don't live in a perfect world. We live in Texas.

I can assure you that many people organized months ago to oppose this nonsense. McLeroy is not even the worst one on the board


Just a few choice quotes from a letter he wrote about textbooks:

"My Personal Confession

Given all the time in the world, I don't think I could make a spider out of a rock. However, most of the books we are considering adopting, claim that Nothing made a spider out of a rock.

I don't think I share a common ancestor with a tree. However, most of the books we are considering adopting, claim as a fact that we all share a common ancestor with a tree.


Discussion

Has science made its case that Nothing made a spider out of a rock and that we share a common ancestor with a tree? I say NO, there are too many difficulties with their case, therefore, I am making these motions.

Evolution science is predominantly historical science; it is not observable or testable empirically, it must be inferred. For example, even the empirical research on embryology and the sequences of proteins and DNA only give rise to historical speculations. Thus, the argument for evolution is not deductive, but inductive; in an inductive argument, scientists weigh evidence to see what is most probable to have occurred. On this basis, most scientists hypothesize that Nothing made a spider out of a rock and that we share a common ancestor with a tree. However, other scientists find serious flaws with those hypotheses...."


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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:43 PM
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19. That ought to set an entire generation of Texas school aged children
...back to the 1830s as far as understanding of the basic biological sciences. I would expect an entire elementary and secondary curriculum of eugenics from kindergarten to 12th grade as the next step in Texas Education.

Warning: the contents of these sites may shock you!

<snip>
Promoting Eugenics in America

When Francis Galton coined the term eugenics in the 1890s, it is doubtful that he could have foreseen the power the movement would accrue in America during the first half of the 20th century. A broad-based social, political, and scientific movement, American eugenics reflected the fears of many whites that their once-great nation was threatened by demographic and economic change. Their understanding of the principles of genetic inheritance led eugenicists to conclude that genetically defective members of society -- including the "feeble-minded," criminals, the sexually wanton, epileptics, the insane, and non-white races -- were rapidly out-reproducing the "normal" members of society at an alarming rate, passing on their "deleterious" genes at the expense of the "normal." The social cost of such a situation, they feared, would be devastating.

In pursuit of their social agenda, the eugenics movement adopted two faces, a "positive" one, which concentrated on exhorting the genetically gifted to reproduce, and a "negative" one, which sought to prevent the defective from breeding. From 1900 on, the movement found a receptive ear in state legislatures, as it did in Washington, and it exerted a profound influence on American public policy. By the 1930s, most states had passed eugenical laws authorizing the sterilization of "defectives," and in an infamous decision, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed such laws were constitutional. Eugenical lobbying also contributed to the powerful anti-immigration movement of the 1910s and 1920s, using their scientific studies to support the claim that non-whites and immigrants were inferior to native-born white Americans in intelligence, physical condition, and moral stature. Even though the meticulous studies of Franz Boas, H.S. Jennings, and others amply demonstrated the failure of eugenical methodology and the falsity of their claims, the eugenical tide continued to swell. Only after the Second World War, when the horrific results of the Nazi eugenic program became fully evident, did the movement lose steam. Though much smaller in scope, it continues today.

The American Eugenics Society was founded in 1926 by Harry Crampton, Harry H. Laughlin, Madison Grant, and Henry Fairfield Osborn with the express purpose of spearheading the eugenical movement. With a peak membership of around 1,250 in 1930, the AES worked at both the scientific and popular levels, becoming a highly effective organization at disseminating practical and scientific information on genetic health, drawing attention to eugenics, and promoting eugenical research.
<MORE>

http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/exhibits/treasures/aes.htm

<snip>
The Social Context of Eugenic Thought
by Professor W H G Armytage
XII “Education, Social Mobility and Equality”
“Run away to sea rather than go to a secondary modern.”

A J P Taylor
The Twentieth Century (October 1957)



The 1944 Education Act (UK) was a key item in the social legislation which constituted the blue-print for the post-war Labour government’s New Jerusalem. The fact that it had been authored by a Tory and enacted in the last year of the wartime coalition government did not diminish either Labour’s enthusiasm for the Act or the energy with which its Minister of Education, the first woman to hold the post(1), set about implementing, without amendment, its provisions.

Ellen Wilkinson (1891-1947) was the daughter of a cotton operative and made her way from a Lancashire working-class home by way of a scholarship and her local Grammar School to Manchester University. She was a suffragist, an early member of the ILP and, from 1920 to 1924, a member of the Communist Party which she left on becoming Labour member of parliament for Middlesbrough. Defeated there in the election of 1931 she re-entered Parliament as member for Jarrow in 1935 and her diminutive figure manages to dominate the often re-shown newsreel footage of the leaders of the Jarrow Marchers. Ellen Wilkinson was also a keen eugenicist and had urged the formation of a Eugenics Branch within the Labour Party. (2)

The 1944 Act enhanced the powers of the Minister over local authorities(3), abolished fees in all state schools, made the daily act of collective religious worship compulsory in all schools and raised the school-leaving age to 15 from April 1947 and to 16 as soon as practicable. Finally, in what was regarded at the time as its truly ground-breaking and egalitarian provision but was later to become its most controversial, it guaranteed secondary education for all: academic, technical or general according to ability.

“According to ability”, of course, implied selection and the egalitarianism underlying the Act was an egalitarianism based on equality of opportunity and not on equality of outcome: “it is just as important to achieve diversity as to ensure equality of educational opportunity”. This, unequivocally meritocratic, philosophy - together with the techniques of selection which its implementation required - was universally applauded by politicians, teachers and parents. It was also approved by those educational sociologists who were later to become its vehement critics. Professor D V Glass, who, it has been said, “provided the main link between pre-war eugenics and post-war sociology”(4), regarded the Act as one of the “the most important measures of the last half century” which by greatly increasing social mobility would “do much to enable ability to fulfil itself”.
<MORE>

http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/Newsletters/GINL9809/social_context.htm


<snip>
Evolution Education

<MORE>

http://hometown.aol.com/darwinpage/educate.htm
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GTurck Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:59 AM
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26. I wish they would read the damn book
It has been over 50 years since I read Darwin and I don't remember purposeless or unintelligent causes being in the book. So much of this garbage gets passed on by word of mouth from one uninformed (and really uninterested) person to another it drives me bonkers. Every time someone tells be what someone said or some book was about I have been astounded when they reported that they never heard the person or read the book. Remember "Last Temptation of Christ". Went head to head on that one with so many people it was crazy. I was the only one who had waded through the over 1,000 pages and been stunned by it. Good Stun! People don't even know the Bible and too often read some version of the King James for what little they think is in there but just one egregious stand out is that in that 1660ish translation the word corn is used for grain and how many know that and assume it refers to maize.
Lastly how dare anyone say that those who use reason don't believe in God. They need to read the damn book.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:23 PM
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27. Central Florida School Board member says don't teach evolution alone.
Guess every school board has them.

School Official Opposes Evolution Standards Plan

LAKELAND | A Polk County School Board member said Monday she wants the district to consider opposing proposed new science standards for Florida schools that would include specific mention of evolution for the first time.

The proposed standards intended to strengthen science education in Florida have widespread backing from the scientific community and have generated limited opposition statewide.

However, Polk board member Kay Fields objects to the portion of the standards that includes evolution, and she said she will talk with Superintendent Gail McKinzie this week about possible action the district can take.

"There needs to be intelligent design as well," Fields said. "You need to show both sides."

Fields said she's only received one phone call from a parent opposed to the new standards. The mother of two children who attend Polk schools told Fields she favored teaching intelligent design.


So it is good she has only received one phone call opposing it...gives me hope.

So why did she think she should give her personal opinion if she was not receiving feedback?

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