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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:34 PM
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2008 Defense Authorization Bill authorizes use of US military for domestic purposes!

http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/11/red-alert-2008-defense-authorization.html




Representative Dennis Kucinich reported this during an interview with WINZ Miami radio station this morning. He is reading through this bill and for the first time last evening, noticed this language that has been inserted into the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill.

He said that this language jumped off the page at him and that he was very concerned that people learn about this provision that would authorize domestic operations for the US military.

-snip holds the wording-

Please call/write your members of Congress to alert them to this language and its implications.

Thank you, Representative Kucinich, for your dedication to the people of this country.
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sigh
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:42 PM
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1. Yet another reason to support Kucinich for President
How many other Representatives will do as the Party orders and vote for this bill sight unseen, exactly as with the PATRIOT (sic) Act?
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:44 PM
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2. This is terrible. The military is suppose to fight and win wars
Using this language they'll end up fighting fires in California, or helping stranded hurricane victims. We need to get this wording out of the bill.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:55 PM
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3. think deeper - our military is not for use on US land


nt
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:58 PM
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4. It can't. Posse Comitatus hasn't been revoked.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:11 PM
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8. Neither has Habeas Corpus. The constitution says it can only be suspended in case of revolution
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 01:42 PM by Vincardog
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:29 PM
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12. You mean Habeas Corpus?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:33 PM
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13. If you mean "Habeas Corpus," yes it has been suspended:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:05 PM
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5. RED ALERT! RED ALERT! RED ALERT!!!


We the People will be in SERIOUS TROUBLE if this passes!!! :hide:



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:05 PM
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6. REC REC REC and CALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:10 PM
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7. They already killed Posse Comitatus in the 2006 Military Commissions Act...
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 01:44 PM by warren pease
...which passed the House 253-168 (with the help of 34 alleged democrats) and the Senate by 65-34 (11 alleged democrats voting with the majority).

Among other horrors, the MCA authorized use of active and reserve federal troops on US soil, which had been banned since 1878 by the Posse Comitatus Act.

This is the budget bill that authorizes funds for those missions.

Just in time for the Iran bombing campaign, which may produce nationwide outrage accompanied by levels of dissent, protest and civil disobedience not seen since Vietnam. Happily for BushCo, the security state infrastructure they've carefully crafted over the past six years is all in place and ready to go operational -- starting with the patriot acts and nailing things down with the MCA, NSPD 51/HSPD-20, and those executive orders authorizing asset seizure if you disagree with BushCo on Iraq or Lebanon.

For dessert, there's H.R. 1955, aptly named since it takes us back almost to the McCarthy/HUAC era, and passed overwhelmingly in the House (404-6, with the help of 185 alleged democrats).

So things are moving along quite nicely if you're a jackbooted thug. Not so well if you're an enemy of the state, or at least the current administration.

And if this appropriations bill somehow fails to pass, there's always Blackwater.


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On edit: The 2007 Defense Appropriations Act also played a large part in killing Posse Comitatus. Here's the relevant section (emphasis mine):

Section 333 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2007, entitled "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law," states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service---to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of (or "refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order---"in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:13 PM
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9. GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:21 PM
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10. Yep, this was brought up the other day. It didn't seem to alarm
too many people (at least when I saw it).

Totally wrong, totally unConstitutional, totally criminal.

But our 'dem reps' will allow it. Why we're fight THE WAR ON TERRA for goodness sakes!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:23 PM
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11. Does anyone think Congress is not aware of this? And if that's so,
that in itself is criminal. Is this the bill dimson has been pushing to get passed?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:53 PM
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14. what a great setup--for a King planning on getting a revolution.
I'm putting odds on no election in 08, if this is passed. Hope I'm wrong. But why would I be? They all obviously want this except for a small brave minority in Congress.
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