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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:26 AM
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"Edwards Prefers Obama to Clinton" LINK ..(Will Cooperation Sink Hillary in Iowa?)
Because Edwards and Obama have been splitting the vote between them of those Democratic voters who oppose Hillary as the Party Nominee, polling has tended to favor Hillary. However, due to the caucus procedure in Iowa which relies heavily on 'second choice influence', Hillary could be in real trouble if Edwards and Obama supporters prefer each other's candidates as their second choice. While Iowa is unique in its caucus procedures, it is clear that a 3rd place finish by Clinton in Iowa would tighten up the race in the New Hampshire Primary just 5 days later. If you are a Clinton political strategist today, you are cringing at the thought that Obama might make a similar statement that he prefers Edwards to Clinton. Such is the much feared horror of well-managed political campaigns that can run off into a ditch in the last days before an election takes place. This is proof that the political chessmasters are playing for keeps, and they are far from powerless to influence the outcome of the Iowa caucuses and Primaries beyond.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=A392429B2D89073234B99B280307AFA5?diaryId=2541

Edwards Prefers Obama To Clinton
by: Chris Bowers
Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 21:35:11 PM EST

"Of all the attacks I have seen sop far in this nearly year-long campaign, the latest one from Edwards might be the most interesting of all. Today, John Edwards came out and said that the differences between himself and Clinton and greater than the differences between himself and Obama. Wow: (quote insert)
"The differences between Sen. Clinton (D-N.Y.) and myself are much more dramatic than the differences between Sen. Obama and myself," Edwards told reporters after receiving the endorsement of the progressive group Caucus for Priorities, which seeks a reallocation of defense dollars into social programs."

"Down the line," Edwards said, on issues such as "What we would do in Iraq? What we should be doing about Iran. What we should be doing about corrupting influences in Washington and a broken system, (there are) really big differences between Sen. Clinton and myself."

Iowa is very close, so close that even a minor deal like the one Edwards and Kucinich made in 2004 could swing the state. Even leaving potential caucus-day deals aside, if both Edwards and Obama were to start attacking Clinton instead of each other, or at least if they were to start attacking Clinton more than they were attacking each other, then Clinton would be in real trouble in Iowa. For Edwards to come out and basically say that he prefers Obama to Clinton is one of the most unusual moves I have ever seen from a presidential candidate. If Obama were to say pretty much the same thing, then Clinton would be in real trouble in Iowa. Not only would she face attacks on several fronts, but it could also exacerbate her problem as a second place choice, where she already finds herself in third.

Edwards had some criticism of Obama in that speech as well, but this basically amounts to a direct anti-Clinton assault. If Obama reciprocates, this could easily change the campaign."
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:29 AM
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1. Um...
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 10:30 AM by Infinite Hope
though I'm inclined to agree with the notion, his quote says nothing of the kind.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:44 AM
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2. The title of the OP is the title of the LINKED Article... n/t
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:02 PM
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3. Playing to the Press Box on This One...
... it's a little bit of a non sequitur, but I think you're right: if Obama's camp swiftly reciprocates, the punditocracy will take the finger to the nose, the nod, and the wink to mean what it means.

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:18 PM
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4. A two candidate, head to head race with Hillary for the DEM Nomination does not favor her as much..
... as having BOTH Edwards and Obama splitting the voting block that will not vote for Hillary.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:25 PM
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5. When the Feelers Go out to Obama for Veep...
... I wonder what the response will be (or already was, at least "initially")?

- Dave
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:53 PM
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6. I surmise that none of the top 3 Dems would even consider a VP feeler right now...
Events lead to inevitable results, and that is the catalyst which creates receptivity of a VP feeler among Candidates who are running for President.

A 3rd place finish in Iowa by Obama, and a poor showing in New Hampshire, might trigger that scenario. However, I think that is highly unlikely.

I think it is more likely that Hillary will finish 3rd in Iowa than Obama finishing 3rd there.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 12:54 PM
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7. Edwards and Obama would be a GREAT team.
nt


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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:05 PM
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8. If they join forces in Iowa and this defeats HRC, this will be a
VICTORY.Not for them but for HRC. uh huh and oh what a speech HRC will give in NH before the voting. Then in NH after she defeats Obama and he tucks tail and runs, HRC can then say, " Thank you NH. Looks like NH can take pride in once again making another Clinton "the comeback kid. We will now take this victory on to Michigan, SC, Nevada and become the democratic nominee and then once we win the presidency I have NH to thank, and I, THANK YOU!"

Ben David
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:03 PM
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9. I missed the logical reasoning behind a HRC loss in Iowa would result in a NH win...
You just kind of jumped over that part and went directly to Hillary giving her victory speech.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:43 PM
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11. Mark Penn on DU?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:11 PM
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10. Calif and NY/NJ will
more than make up for a loss in either state. I think things are different this time, tho, the MSM would like it to be not so. I don't see how there is enough time between NH and Tsunami Tues to wipe out HRC's commanding lead.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:49 PM
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13. History shows that the majority of people make up their mind who to vote for in the last weeks ...
I think it was South Carolina that polled the question, and 49% responded they had not made up their minds yet.

THis does not take into account the 'soft' support that can melt away if a candidate comes into a Primary after having lost in Iowa or N.H.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:45 PM
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12. well this Edwards supporter likes Obama as his second choice
Edited on Thu Nov-29-07 03:47 PM by LSK
Im sure a lot of people are like that.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:55 PM
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14. There is a lot to like about Obama as the VP on an Edwards ticket...
... but from a political strategist's point of view it is still uncertain whether Obama will get them the coalition of voting blocks needed to ensure victory in the General Election.

IMHO supporters of a Party Nominee tend to want the VP to mirror the exact same characteristics and positions that the Presidential Nominee possesses. But when it comes to the task of delivering the electoral votes needed to win the General Election, political strategists almost always opt for a VP that extends the base to voting blocks which the Presidential Nominee is weakest in reaching.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 05:00 PM
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15. Add the latest Rasmussen Poll to this Edwards Comment and you see a pattern emerging...
Second choices are critical in an Iowa Caucus.

If there is a chance of saddling Hillary with 3rd in Iowa, she may not recover in N.H. and beyond.
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