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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:55 PM
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F-22 Raptor Software Goes Haywire Crossing International Dateline
John Roberts was talking about this on Blitzer's show.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/02/14/212102/pictures-navigational-software-glitch-forces-lockheed-martin-f-22-raptors-back-to-hawaii.html

Lockheed Martin is rushing a software fix to Hawaii after 12 US Air Force F-22A Raptors en route to Japan for the stealth fighter’s first overseas deployment had to turn back because an unspecified problem with their navigation systems.

The F-22s, of the 27th Fighter Squadron from Langley AFB in Virginia, were en route from Hickham AFB in Hawaii to Kadena AB on Okinawa for a three- to four-month deployment. They are expected to try again by the end of the week, after the software fix is incorporated and tested.

Asked to comment on rumours the problem related to crossing the international dateline, the USAF said: "The aircraft experienced a software problem involving the navigation system en route from Hickam to Kadena. For operational security reasons we will not discuss specific aircraft systems or locations."

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:02 PM
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1. Jeezus, are these things running on Vista?
:eyes:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:17 PM
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4. The damn plane is already so expensive,
they probably tried to cut corners and save a few bucks by going for the Vista Basic Edition instead of Vista Ultimate. :D
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:58 PM
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6. I would guess
that it is proprietary software. Lockhead Martin either writes their own software or subs it out to other contractors. Hey and guess what a lot of these software engineers are ex- IBM and Unix people . go figure huh?
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:50 PM
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8. Not sure what you're trying to say here...? n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 10:59 PM
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9. On the usta-fish
We had Sperry navigators. The Date Line is special you go from -180 to +180 Lon. The Poles are special too, every direction is North or South depending.

Lockheed probably has a naviguessing dept. too.

I doubt the software is proprietary it should be owned by the DOD, "work for hire".

-Hoot
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 11:53 PM
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10. I think in this case
proprietary means "It won't run on your PC very well". Of course DOD owns it. I never said anything about who owned the source.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 01:27 AM
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11. let's hope not, but it's worth noting that LynuxWorks is involved in the F-22's embedded software
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 02:13 AM by ftr23532
And a major investor in LynuxWorks is Yacub Mirza, who's a key player in the Saudi-backed Muslim Brotherhood's commercial beachhead in the US. This is the same network that has http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x257337">important ties to the GOP's Muslim GOTV effort for Bush in 2000, along with being raided by the Operation Greenquest terror financing investigations. Yacub Mirza helped direct many of the organizations targeted in that raid. Yacub Mirza was also a financier and director of the P-tech, a company used extensively by Federal agencies to conduct "risk assessment" (presumably P-tech's software didn't include hiring Muslim Brotherhood outfits as a risk). Yacub Mirza was (is?) also a http://lwn.net/2000/features/LynuxWorks/">major shareholder and director of LynuxWorks, a company that has received contracts to make embedded operating systems for future military weapons systems (much more on that http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3221">here). And, it turns out, Lynuxworks is one of the companies with contracts to http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/military/799.html">develop the systems http://www.networkworld.com/weblogs/security/009565.html">used by the F-22:

Security discontent and software in airplanes

By Ellen Messmer, NetworkWorld.com, 07/25/05

The corporate security managers in the Jericho Forum <"Are firewalls expendable?"> aren't the only ones expressing discontent about perceived limitations in the long-used security architectures reflected in today's applications and equipment.

Ben Calloni, research program manager at Lockheed Martin, is another discontented soul who's trying to help develop what you might call a security dream-machine to remake Windows and Linux into something that could really fly.

The idea, Calloni recently told me, centers around a cooperative effort called "Multiple Independent Levels of Security (MILS)," which got off the ground more than four years ago as a way to validate software used on airplanes.

"Operating system software is deeply embedded on airplanes, such as the F-22, where we really can't have the 'blue screen of death,' " said Calloni. Nobody wants that to happen on take-off or landing!

Under MILS software-development guidelines, operating system software is partitioned in such a way that failure or corruption of any single partition cannot affect any other part of the system or network. Each partition is also evaluated and certified separately, so that no partition needs to be evaluated at a higher level than is required for its particular function.

Funded by the Air Force Research Lab., the MILS effort has been supported for use in aircraft by the National Security Agency, the Federal Aviation Authority, SRI International, University of Idaho, Boeing, Rockwell Collins, Mitre, Objective Interface Systems, Green Hills Software, LynuxWorks, Wind River, and others.
...


While there's nothing to indicate this glitch was related to Lynuxworks-related software, these kinds of business connections to military contractors is something we should keep in mind.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:07 PM
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2. That invisible force-field must really be something else..n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:08 PM
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3. Spring Ahead, Fall.... DOWN? n/t
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:42 PM
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5. Snort
:rofl:


Thanks.

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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:48 PM
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7. Sad. Gorgeous aircraft - but why are we still going for
pretty instead of functional? Who designed this software, anyway, Bill Gates? Have to post this photo I found on-line - I love aircraft of all types (probably why I was USAF for a while) and still drag out the binoculars whenever our local Army and Air Force guys/gals are doing exercizes.



As I mentioned to the spouse one evening when a photo was shown on the tube: I WANT ONE. PRETTY PLEASE? YOU CAN GET IT FOR ME AND NOT EVEN BUY ME A CHRISTMAS PRESENT!! :rofl: I promise to keep it in state - or at least not try to fly it to Japan!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 12:30 PM
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12. Deffinitely designed by MicroSoft
When it detects incoming weapons fire, it cheerily proclaims, "You've Got Missiles!"

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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:43 PM
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13. ROFL!!
OK, first laugh of the day -

And when landing, the screen pops up with "Illegal Operation".
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:57 PM
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14. System Updates Available: Land now and re-boot? n/t
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