I think America is FINALLY fed up with 8 yrs. of repub bullshit.

[Philosoraptor]

I get the impression that we will have a D president in 08.

There, I said it.

[zbdent]

1. I've actually had a RW "acquaintence" admit that he'd hate to have McCain

as President ... but he still believes that McCain would be better than any Dem ... still denying reality.

If you have to hold your nose to vote for the Dem candidate in November, please do ... any move leftward will be welcomed by me, even if all the attacks by either Hillary's supporters or Obama's supporters have any worthwile weight ...

[Ian David]

3. Don't try and get your Repuke acquaintances to vote Democratic. Instead...

try and get them to waste their time, money and vote on Ron Paul.

Or, if Ron Paul isn't crazy enough, point them to Jonathon "The Impaler" Sharkey.

But act all serious, and not at all as if you're intentionally misdirecting them.

[zbdent]

4. I doubt he'd convert to Paul ...

because Paul's against the war (about the only "liberal" thing going for him) and the e-mail acquaintence is against all things lib ...

This guy rushed to his wife's defense at a party in 04 when his wife's RW rants weren't holding up against my counters ... they couldn't take me in a fair debate, so they had to double-team me, and they were still losing ... they started in on me when my BIL said that he was going to vote for Kerry in 04 ...

[Bake]

12. I'm happy if I can get them to just stay home

I do that by pointing out the obvious flaws in each of their candidates.

:evilgrin:

Bake

[Ian David]

15. Don't point out flaws. Point out things that YOU like about them.

Once it is established that you're a "far-left loon."

[dysfunctional press]

20. Don't try and get your Repuke acquaintances to vote Democratic. Instead...

try to get as many progressive/liberal-minded people as you know signed up to vote, and make sure that everyone you know who would vote Democratic gets to the polls on election day in november.

there's WAY more of us than them- we just have to get our side to the polls.

[bdamomma]

2. we need to get the country back on track, or do we really want

to see a President Warmonger McCain, he will just carry on with the * insane agenda.

[ThatsMyBarack]

6. OMFG

:scared: :nuke:

[gratuitous]

5. I think you're right

But we're going to need a concerted effort in the next nine months to keep the record of Republican malfeasance fresh in people's memories. You know darn well that the GOP and their echo chamber minions will be shoveling dirt on their miserable record as fast as they can.

[VP505]

8. Yes, and that's one reason

why our Dem leadership really pisses me off, they won't capitalize on that by fighting harder to let the blame lay where it belongs. One example, SCHIP, Bu$h keeps vetoing the bill. The RePukes keep blocking other legislation in the Senate and our leadership say little or nothing when the MSM spins it as a loss for Dem's as if it were the Dem's trying to do something that people don't want.

[blondeatlast]

9. "Naverick" McCain would be a godsend in this scenario, though.

He's talked the talk in front of the cameras but when it came to his vote, he's been with GWB every step of the way.

[MrCoffee]

7. I agree. The Great Wishy-Washy Middle is sick of Chimpy and his ilk

Personally, I think it will take a live boy/dead girl (or the opposite, depending on the nominee) situation for the Democrat to lose the WH.

Maybe I'm just a big ol' ray of sunshine all in you house with disease, though.

[bluedawg12]

10. Prejudice and brain washing- don't trust them, Get out the VOTE!

Sorry, I wish I could be as optimistic, but I think they, the RW, for the majority of them, have been so brain washed to think of
cultural issues as being "healthy, patriotic, moral...blah..blah..blah...) that they will (again) vote against there self-interest,
and hold their nose and vote repug.

Out hope is to get out the registered Dems, woo the independents, and if we get a few closeted repug cross overs-dandy! But don't count on them.

After all, this election is no longer about shrubco and no matter who they vote for in the repug party, it's still a change from shrub and their denial is very, very strong.

[MrCoffee]

11. Ah, but the difference is that they can personally feel their self-interest getting shafted

The housing crisis, the terrible state of the economy, and the War (finally) can't be ignored by those they're affecting.

People can be tricked into voting against their self-interest when they're comfortable. It's much harder to do when they're directly and adversely affected by Repuke BS.

It's harder to vote on cultural/moral issues when you are getting the economic shaft. I'm much less worried about the cultural/moral vote this time.

But on the other hand, what do I know?

[bluedawg12]

13. Here is an example of middle American chatter:

This comes from comments from a totally non-poltical group, friends who chat about writing stories, etc.

This unusual foray about politics died as a thread quickly because no one wanted to argue with each other. And there were some clearly pro-Dem replies that we would find comfortable.

I am only bringing edited versions of what I contend is the lack of depth of many average Americans POV. i wonder have we gotten through to any of those folks, who feel like this:


Young mom 30 ish:
>>“I honestly wonder if Clinton weren't a woman and former first lady if she would have gotten anywhere near the attention she has in her bid for Pres. ..Same for Obama. If he weren't black, I doubt folks would know who he was since he is such a young politician.
I'm not saying they aren't qualified, I'm just wondering...”

“From what I know of the candidates, there is very little differentiating one platform from another...” <<


Male, 50ish, retired military, divorced, works in IT:

>>“Vote for the mayor or governor over the senator or representative, you can't go wrong. Or when in doubt, find out who the Communist Party likes, then vote for the other “<<


Divorced female, 30-ish, lived out “west” now care taker of elderly parents in mid-west:

>>“I must say, when Obama did speak at the prior election, I remember it well because he did give a speech that said, "you haven't heard the last of me.." it screamed that in a very non screaming way, he said it very well .Maybe a little too well....We all were very, very stunned and impressed, but, time does change things a mite.”

“Hilary comes with Bill, we know that.... But I do not care for a woman who uses her womanhood SO strongly...There is no need for that. And she needs a new nehru jacket. I find the woman stance outdated and ungraceful..”


“But the republican men...I did like Guliani. I did. I don't know. Mitt's a Romney, I was always okay with the Romneys. But then again, I 'm still in love with the Reagan years....just say "no".”


“Mc Cain gets too out there sometimes, but hell, he was a POW for how long? I mean really.

I will say, I like seeing the Democrats come back a little to where they once were, a long time ago. But,there's quite a few months before the levers get switched. But Universal Health scares the hell out of me. “<<

[HCE SuiGeneris]

14. Only if the owners and programmers of the electronic voting machines are in agreement

[devilgrrl]

16. A right-of-center "D"

There, I said it.

[TahitiNut]

17. The "generic" D vs. the "generic" R has been polling 50% to 35% for a while.

As I've said, the Democratic Party would have to TRY to lose the 2008 election ... but I also know they're up to the challenge.

From this independent's perspective, corporatist forces have been battling for control of the Democratic Party as they did in the Republican Party. The primary 'season' (imho) has been almost totally about that battle - viewing the margin over the Republicans as a resource to be 'spent' in that battle. It seems to me they've 'won' - and have further removed the party from its base. It's nearly impossible to look at the ENORMOUS campaign funds raised (not to mention the weasel-worded 'policy' positions) and arrive at any other conclusion. Partisans, of course, have blind spots. That's why it can be done.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. I don't think that we will have a Republican president in 2008 no matter what happens

The primary contest between Hilary Clinton, who would be the first woman in our history to be a Presidential candidate, and Barack Obama, who would be the first African-American in our history to be a Presidential candidate, seems to be the big ongoing story in the MSM this year. I have not really seen any evidence of enthusiasm among the MSM or really anybody else for that matter for any of the tired old men running for the GOP nomination and I just don't think that there will be a massive groundswell of public support for a continuation of the Bush (mis-)administration's policies (particularly Iraq) that all of the prospective GOP nominees have more or less publicly announced their support for. Even if Hilary ends up being the nominee and ends up "polarizing" the country (as if the Republicans haven't already accomplished that themselves) and "mobilizing" the GOP, when push comes to shove, I just can't see most people flocking in droves to vote in a "Bush-lite" Republican for President simply to keep Hilary from winning. Obama, if he ends up being the nominee, may be quite successful in attracting independents and maybe even stealing some Republican votes (although certainly not its "racist" base).

[geomon666]

19. I can't wait for the 4 years of centrist bullshit to begin.

Yay!

[NOLALady]

21. Heard on local call in show.

A couple of women called who live in a very red conservative (David Duke made his home there)area.

One 50ish voted Repub always. She's disappointed with the Republican field, although she likes McCain because he will protect her. But, she's been sending money to the Obama campaign. She can't stand HRC because she didn't divorce her adulterous husband, otherwise she'd consider HRC.

The other 29 year old has also voted only Repub but she's also sending Obama money as she thinks he's cute.




:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

22. Especially the last 7/8ths of that!

The first eighth falls back in the "good old days" when we worried if the Prez was keeping his dipstick dry, instead of worrying about keeping a dry dipstick for Prez another year.