mighty strange coincidence...

[Extend a Hand]

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm


Guess which country is getting NO traffic at all.

[ORDagnabbit]

1. cause the cables got snapped a while ago...its in the MSM cnn, msnbc

[tekisui]

3. 3 cables were cut.

[Extend a Hand]

6. the first two

damaged by anchors??? that close but at different times....
and now a third.

Most of asia is getting SOME traffic, except Iran. They have zero. I'm just having a hard time believing that there are this many coincidences happening at one time.

[malaise]

11. Strange indeed

but stranger things have happened.
Bush and Cheney would not dare.

[tekisui]

2. What are we not hearing?

What are they not hearing?

Scary thought.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. That pit in my stomach just turned to a lead weight. nt.

[OhioChick]

5. Something is Up

And it doesn't look good.

[NMDemDist2]

7. holy shit!!

this is wayyyy too weird a 'coincidence' for my taste...

[NMDemDist2]

8. get this on the Greatest people, this is freaky n/t

[beezlebum]

10. rec'd

[tekisui]

9. They've traded "Shock and Awe" for "Surround and Silence"?

[bbinacan]

12. And Florida has 0

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. I guess I'm virtually connected?

[bbinacan]

21. You must be or

that site is wrong.:smoke:

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. Well since everything we read must be correct...

someone must have slipped something in to my drink at dinner and I'm posting to myself. ;)

[bbinacan]

28. You're so right. n/t

[blogslut]

13. Anybody know what's up with Columbia?

They gots zero internets as well. Are their mainframes connected via the same cables as Iran?

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/samerica.htm

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/history/283.htm

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. It is cali, not the whole country

[blogslut]

39. thnx

Just wondering

[NeedleCast]

37. Keep in Mind

These are single routers used to measure an average of data flow. Could be any number of reasons...system upgrade, router being re-booted, night watchman trips over the power cable, prelude to invasion...

Okay, not that last one.

[blogslut]

40. cool

I'm not well-versed in this whole packet/router/mainframe thang. I appreciate the info. :hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Much ado about nothing?

Iran, Columbia, Florida and a router in Africa seem to have something in common. I'm not inclined to raise the alarm based on this site. Sorry. Especially as I sit here connected to the internet from Florida!

[Pacifist Patriot]

16. Go to the FAQ! A rating of O means slow connectivity, not zero traffic.

It also has to do with where servers are based to host websites. The site also does not track all routers. In fact, they are asking for more to provide a more robust and accurate picture of global internet traffic.

Explore and question folks!

[Extend a Hand]

18. thx! for the info

I still find this cable cutting thing odd.
1 ok, accidents happen. 2 hmmmmm. 3???

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. Alzahara University is still online.

I'll look up this cable cutting thing. I'm not aware of it. Thanks for the heads up.

[NeedleCast]

29. It would have limited effect

on non-international internet traffic. Major Iranian organizations (universities, the government, large buisnesses) will probably be mostly uneffected by this, as their not access stuff on overseas servers for the most part.

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. Yet the Tehran Times site loads just fine.

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. Oooo, you just got added to a list in Washington.

:)

[Deja Q]

23. Do a whois search for it;

I bet the site is housed in China.

Russia?

India, perhaps?

[Spider Jerusalem]

27. Visual traceroute shows Iran

IP: 62.193.18.228

[Deja Q]

20. Japan. Tragic, I agree.

[SpiralHawk]

24. "Move along. There is nothing to see here (smirk). - Commander AWOL & homelander cronies

[NeedleCast]

26. For all who are concerned about this, I have one question for you

Why?

Why do you think this is anything to be concerned about?

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. Thank you for asking the question.

I don't want to be dismissive of people's concerns, but since I have been seriously working on my son's critical thinking skills over the last few months, and finally saw evidence of it today, I was a bit dismayed to see this and the first few reactions.

[NeedleCast]

31. It's the Knee Jerk

happens here all the time I'm afraid. A lot of people seem to be suggesting this is a prelude to war (hey, if we post enough threads about preludes to a war with Iran, sooner or later one of them is bound to be right and we can go on ignoring the thousands that were wrong) and my question to them all afternoon (including another thread) is:

WHY?

There is no answer of course, because the bottom line here is that if we wanted to disrupt a countries ability to access the internet prior to an invasion this about the dumbest way to go about doing it. Others seem to be suggesting that we're doing this to "tap" the trans-atlantic cables, which is insane - mostly because of the fact that these cables don't really carry any information that we couldn't access anyway...it's not like a transatlantic fiber-optic gives us some sort of access to secure Iranian networks.

I agree that dismissing other's concerns out of hand is a bad thing to do, but a lot of people here are just reacting to a news story while having no ability to answer the why, or even what this story really means.

[librechik]

32. Cheney wants to invade/destroy Iran. Perhaps cutting off certain communications

is a strategic move which might be a prelude to war.

Paranoid? sure. But what Cheney wants, Cheney tries to get. And he doesn't work in the sunshine.

[NeedleCast]

33. But it's not a strategic move

If you want to screw up someone's internet access, there are at least three ways I can think of that would be much more effective, and while I work in IT, I'm not an engineer.

Additionally, it doesn't cut off internal internet access in Iran, it only limits their ability to access other over-seas nodes as far as I can tell. The effect on Iran's military would be negligable (except bored soldiers might be cut of from western and UK porn for a few days).

I agree that it's suspicious, but there are so many more things it's MORE likely to be than a prelude to war that to me, those jumping to the conclusion that we're about to attack Iran are getting a little bit lemming-ish in their thinking.

As others have pointed out, this is not an unheard of occurance. Two trans-atlantic cables to South America were accidently cut last year. Two UK undersea cables were cut a few years back.

[librechik]

35. well, you asked why some are suspicious--it's because it is suspicious!

of course it could also be completely innocent and accidental. We don't know. That's part of the climate of fear, and it helps our fascist overlords.

Or maybe we just are reminded of how easily it could happen to us--and the internet is our lifeline here.

:scared:

[NeedleCast]

36. Okay, couple of things

First being part of the "culture of fear" does help the Bush administration, so why play a role? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Smart guy said that. When you play a role in the culture of fear and run to the bomb shelter whenever something "suspicious" happens in the world you're going to spend a lot of time cowering in fear.

Second, you say it could easily happen to us, but again, this is false. The US has a much higher satellite redundancy level that most countries so if an international backbone cable were severed, most of the traffic could be fairly easily re-routed. You also have to think about this...if it were easy to do something like this, it probably would have already happened. We're also in the enviable position that a lot of the internet "lives" in the US (is based on US or Canadian servers). There are also many redundant nodes for most transatlantic cables that carry data, which is to say that they don't just go from point A to point B but have any number of terminal points ranging from half a dozen to several dozen. If someone cuts the cable between point A and point B, point A just sends its info to point C instead, and from there it goes on its merry way.

[beezlebum]

38. thanks,

needlecast, for the realty check.


"being part of the "culture of fear" does help the Bush administration, so why play a role? The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Smart guy said that. When you play a role in the culture of fear and run to the bomb shelter whenever something "suspicious" happens in the world you're going to spend a lot of time cowering in fear.

[librechik]

41. Thanks for the reassurance! (and technical knowhow)

while I don't buy in to the Fear Factor personally, I do monitor it closely, as part of my job, in fact. After you study it for awhile you realize it has a nugget in it that is actually terrifying: how completely information is controlled by powerful and manipulative forces which care nothing whatsoever for the common good or individual welfare. The ordinary person can almost never know for sure what the real truth is. In fact, to paraphrase Eliot, there is no truth but the whole, complete truth, and since that infinite certainty can never be achieved, baby there is no truth. Hope is not a strategy etc. Best to deconstruct reality and build your own cosy little postmodern dystopia, teetering on the brink of The Abyss, half in and half out, staring your own mortality in the face 24/7. Feh. I know too much and too little, all at the same time.

How I wish I still had the optimism and positivism of youth and science.

Good thing I can fake it!

Cheers!

:hug: