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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:16 AM
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The minutemen are here this weekend - pictures
We had a march to spread our love to the minutemen. It was a rousing success.

We marched 6 blocks to the venue hosting the minutemen. When we got there, there were FOUR minutemen standing there to greet us. One had a bullhorn and was using it to ask to see our green cards. But since we outnumbered them 100 to one, he was immediately drowned out by our shouts "GO HOME MINUTEMEN!"

Local media coverage:

"A wild scene"
http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5655037&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/471916.html





















And the minutemen waiting for us:



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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:22 AM
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1. awesome
Thanks for the pictures - they made me smile.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:25 AM
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2. I am glad you are pleased
This is such a controversial issue. But the mm are so hateful. Their approach just can't be the best way to handle this.


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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:27 AM
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5. Someone needs to remind them that the REAL Minutemen
were folks fighting off an imperial power, not trying to keep poor folks out of the country. Heck, most of the REAL Minutemen were poor folks themselves!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:35 PM
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9. And they weren't felons either
These mm have a leader with a criminal record. He is a convicted violent felon. That's enough for me to reject their message.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:25 AM
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3. "Illegal Immigration Began in 1492"
great poster! I wonder how many of those Minute Men supporters are pure blooded Native Americans? By the look of them, none of them are! I am a descendant of illegal immigrants myself-came over to Cape Cod area in 1620. Funny how that is often a point of pride amongst many folks, and yet they are unwilling to allow immigrants in now.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:25 AM
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4. Great photos, the Border Klan are just homegrown "terrorists".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:58 AM
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:19 PM
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7. applause to those people that stood against the hate.
there is a place of peace for them. many thanx for being there.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:34 PM
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8. You are most welcome
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:39 PM
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10. Good for you guys. Hey, why aren't those four idiots on the border, bravely putting
their lives on the line to stem the flood of Dirty Foreigners?

Redstone
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:49 PM
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12. They have more fun here
assaulting laborers because they are Hispanic. They have also taken over our local newspaper's comments section. So they seem to be enjoying creating controversy than actually putting their feet to the ground to solve a problem.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:27 PM
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17. we chased 'em off
see my post below.

:evilgrin:

dg
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:42 PM
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11. This is govt supported racisim
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:15 PM
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13. K&R #4 for THANK YOU!1
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 02:14 PM by UTUSN
They have their Keystone Kops side, but the Brownshirts also started out with their stupidity on display, not taken seriously.

In the links at the bottom of this, the good people of Vermont ran the MM out of a town and the MM promptly got lost in the woods and inadvertantly became illegal aliens themselves when they stumbled across the U.S./Canadian border. They were up there (all FOUR of them) to demonstrate that they were NOT being discriminatory JUST about the SOUTHERN border (yeah, right).

Then, they were building a 10-miles fence in AZ on private property. Univision had cameras there, did the news professional gig of interviewing the token Hispanic president (Al GARZA), and then the camera panned over to a stack of concrete mix, the bags all showing the HUGH!1 logo in block all-caps, "MEZLA CONCRETO MEXICANO"!1 Priceless!1

As I say, they would be funny, but...



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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonhardt.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=media&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Truth, Fiction and Lou Dobbs


By DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: May 30, 2007

The whole controversy involving Lou Dobbs and leprosy started with a “60 Minutes” segment a few weeks ago.

... Over the last few years, Lou Dobbs has transformed himself into arguably this country’s foremost populist. It’s an odd role, given that he spent the 1980s and ’90s buttering up chief executives on CNN, but he’s now playing it very successfully. He has become a voice for the real economic anxiety felt by many Americans. ....

For one thing, Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality. He has said, for example, that one-third of the inmates in the federal prison system are illegal immigrants. That’s wrong, too. According to the Justice Department, 6 percent of prisoners in this country are noncitizens (compared with 7 percent of the population). For a variety of reasons, the crime rate is actually lower among immigrants than natives.

Second, Mr. Dobbs really does give airtime to white supremacy sympathizers. Ms. Cosman, who is now deceased, was a lawyer and Renaissance studies scholar, never a medical doctor or a leprosy expert. She gave speeches in which she said that Mexican immigrants had a habit of molesting children. Back in their home villages, she would explain, rape was not as serious a crime as cow stealing. The Southern Poverty Law Center keeps a list of other such guests from “Lou Dobbs Tonight.”

Finally, Mr. Dobbs is fond of darkly hinting that this country is under attack. He suggested last week that the new immigration bill in Congress could be the first step toward a new nation — a “North American union” — that combines the United States, Canada and Mexico. On other occasions, his program has described a supposed Mexican plot to reclaim the Southwest. In one such report, one of his correspondents referred to a Utah visit by Vicente Fox, then Mexico’s president, as a “Mexican military incursion.”

When I asked Mr. Dobbs about this yesterday, he said, “You’ve raised this to a level that frankly I find offensive.”

The most common complaint about him, at least from other journalists, is that his program combines factual reporting with editorializing. But I think this misses the point. Americans, as a rule, are smart enough to handle a program that mixes opinion and facts. The problem with Mr. Dobbs is that he mixes opinion and untruths. He is the heir to the nativist tradition that has long used fiction and conspiracy theories as a weapon against the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, the Jews and, now, the Mexicans. .... E-mail: Leonhardt@nytimes.com



http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=589
Broken Record
Lou Dobbs' daily 'Broken Borders' CNN segment has focused on immigration for years.

But there's one issue Dobbs just won't take on.


By Heidi Beirich and Mark Potok

.... For more than two years now, Dobbs has served up a populist approach to immigration on nightly segments of his newscast entitled "Broken Borders." He has relentlessly covered the issue, although hardly from a traditional news perspective -- Dobbs favors clamping down on illegal immigration, and his "reporting" never fails to make that clear. He has covered the same issues, and the same anti-immigration leaders, time after time after time. In recent months, Dobbs has run countless upbeat reports on the "citizen border patrols" that have sprung up around the country since last April's Minuteman Project, a paramilitary effort to seal the Arizona border.

But there's one thing Lou Dobbs won't do. No matter what others report about the movement, Dobbs has failed to present mounting and persistent evidence of anti-Hispanic racism in anti-immigration groups and citizen border patrols. ....



http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17104568&BRD=2290&PAG=461&dept_id=569392&rfi=6

Border Patrol chief doesn’t want Minutemen near agents (Laredo, Texas)


LAREDO MORNING TIMES ^ | 08/24/2006 | MIGUEL TIMOSHENKOV

The head of the Border Patrol said Wednesday he doesn’t want members of the Minuteman Project working near his agents when they come to the Laredo area next month. The civilian group, which reports illegal immigrants to immigration authorities, is expected to start patrolling the border in the Laredo area on Sept. 11 and continue through Nov. 7.

Acting Chief Patrol Agent Reynaldo Garza of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Laredo Sector said he can’t prevent the civilians from coming to Laredo, but said they won’t be allowed to interfere with official business. ....

Esquivel said that if U.S. citizens should have any trouble with a member of the Minuteman Project, he or she should call the sheriff’s department or other law enforcement authority.

State Rep. Richard Raymond deplored the group’s plan to come to Laredo.

“They don’t have anything to do with this community,” Raymond said. “Here, we reject the racism they practice.” ....
(Miguel Timoshenkov may be reached at (956) 728-2583 or by e-mail at timo1@lmtonline.com)



http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2006/08/moons-paper-and-minutemen.html

Where in Washington, D.C., is Rev. Moon? by John GORENFELD
Moon's paper and the Minutemen


Wonkette: if the Border Patrol is short handed, why not call out the Minutemen? You know, the more-bark-than-bite nationalist “movement” that, according to the ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center, Jerry Seper and the Washington Times largely invented out of the ether? Mind you, we’re not complaining. We’re big fans of making mountains out of molehills...



http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=635
Anti-Immigration Movement

Newspapers Inflated Minuteman Numbers, Report Finds


The report, "Creating the Minutemen," is based on an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) analysis of 581 articles and editorials printed in major U.S. newspapers between January 2005 and February 2006. The ACLU has been highly critical of the Minutemen, and ACLU volunteers closely monitored the group.

The first of those articles, "Volunteers Set to Monitor Border Crossings," by Jerry Seper of the hard-right Washington Times, reported that 240 volunteers had signed up. By early March, Seper was reporting that the number of volunteers had "more than tripled," came from every state, and included 16 pilots with aircraft.

During the last two weeks of March 2005, the media hype shifted into overdrive. Fifteen journalists reported the Minuteman Project had signed up "at least 1,000 volunteers." The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ran a March 23, 2005, article headlined "2,000 volunteers expected for Minuteman Project."



http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2005/10/16/volunteers_get_cold_reception_in_vermont?mode=PF

Volunteers get cold reception in Vermont


They run into protest and walk through wild to watch Canada border
By Yvonne Abraham, Globe Staff | October 16, 2005

NEWPORT, Vt. -- It's hard to save the United States from illegal immigrants when you can't find the border. ....

But these Minutemen were forced out of town by a larger crowd of protesters, who denounced their opposition to illegal immigration as a front for racism. ....

Back on the bike path, the three Minutemen trudged on in the rain. Finally, they knocked on Amy Audet's door to ask directions.

The border, she told them, was in the opposite direction.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/30/AR2005103000822.html

On Patrol in Vt., Minutemen Are the Outsiders


Along the Border, Group Targets Illegal Immigrants

By David A. Fahrenthold
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 31, 2005; Page A02

.... They began scouting out potential sites several weeks ago, poking around this hamlet with a downtown almost directly on the border. It was in Derby Line that they had their first problem with the elusive border. On one scouting expedition, member Bob Casimiro said they became, for a moment, illegal visitors in Canada.

Then came their first official patrol two weekends ago, which was dogged by protesters who assembled downtown and shouted slogans such as "Take your hate out of our state." The Minutemen had to patrol a bike path away from town, and then -- as the Boston Globe reported -- got lost and had to ask a local for directions. .... :WashPost/Take-Hate-out-of-our-State



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/12/AR2005111200954.html

Minutemen, Go Home


Sunday, November 13, 2005; Page B06

UNWITTINGLY, THE leader of a local group whose self-appointed mission is to photograph, spy on and bother undocumented day laborers in the town of Herndon, put his finger on the dilemma of illegal immigration the other day. "What we want, bottom line in Herndon, is for the illegal aliens to leave," said George Taplin, leader of the town chapter of the Minuteman Project, a national organization bitterly opposed to illegal immigrants. "And if there is no work, they will."

Ah, but there you have the problem: There is work -- enormous amounts of work, particularly in the Northern Virginia suburbs. In fact, in an area with virtually no unemployment, the market is desperate for immigrant labor, documented, undocumented or falsely documented. It helps keep the economy growing, and immigrants come here because they know they are needed and there will be plenty of work. Anti-immigrant crusaders such as Mr. Taplin may not like it, but unless they have discovered a magic formula for shrinking the regional economy in boom-'burbs such as Fairfax County, no amount of spying on, photographing or hassling undocumented day laborers and their employers will eliminate this irrepressible demand for labor.

Of course, anti-immigration cranks such as the Minutemen know that, so what they are really up to is simple harassment. They train their still and video cameras on day laborers with families to feed and rents to pay and on the employers that pick them up for work. They jot down license-plate numbers and talk to each other with walkie-talkies. They convey the information they collect to the Internal Revenue Service, which, to put it mildly, has bigger fish to fry.

Reveling in self-importance, the Minutemen and their ilk say they are plugging enforcement gaps that the federal government has left open. In fact they are underemployed amateurs more interested in posturing than problem-solving. In Vermont one such group got lost in the woods while hunting for undocumented infiltrators and had to ask for directions, the Boston Globe reported. Some spent their Saturday "patrol" sitting in lawn chairs in a field, staring at a tree line. People like these would dearly love to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants. But that's not going to happen.

Rather than harassing undocumented workers and staring at trees, the Minutemen should heed Dean Boyd, spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He told The Post's Karin Brulliard: "Law enforcement is best left up to professionals."



Dead link: U.S.Citizen Hispanic Austin, TX, councilman told to Go Back to MX by MM: http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/12/17minutemen.html



http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/15/snapshots_of_volunte.html

Snapshots of volunteer "Minutemen" on US/Mexico border


Posted by Xeni Jardin, April 15, 2005 8:39 AM

Investigative reporter and Boing Boing pal Mark Ebner spent last week embedded with the "Minutemen" in and around Tombstone, Arizona. For those unfamiliar with US/Mexico border politics, these are the volunteer border patrol militias comprised of heavily armed, grumpy-looking white people who have self-organized to stem the flood of wannabe janitors, dishwashers, and nannies who threaten our national security. Ebner's report will appear in Globe magazine next week, available at your grocery check-out stand. Meanwhile, enjoy the new face of Homeland Security!




Pro-MM / LoneWacko: http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/004214.html

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/08/minutemen-home-for...


Minutemen: A home for extremists


Monday, August 08, 2005

This is a recent Minutemen rally. And yes, that's a Nazi flag there, third from the right.

Well, I've been saying all along that the Minutemen's core demographic is constituted of right-wing extremists, including many outright racists.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:30 PM
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19. This one missed the Edit timeframe, but will go into the master Paste-up job
The hypocrisy...the hypocrisy (to paraphrase KURTZ...


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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/01/31/border-rules.html

U.S. officials won't enforce new border ID rules


A U.S. law requiring Canadians to show proof of citizenship when crossing the border by land or sea takes effect Thursday, but to appease some politicians, American customs officials say it won't be enforced for at least another 18 months. ....

"This is an educational process," said Corsaro. "We will not refuse a Canadian citizen entry into this country, into the United States, if their only violation is that they do not have proof of citizenship."

Asking for reprieve


The move to relax ID requirements comes after a group of 19 U.S. senators wrote Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. ....

"We have the longest, most peaceful, friendliest border in the world. We gotta be cherishing that instead of trying to make that border look like a security threat," Leahy told CBC News.

"These new ideas are not going to make either Canada or the United States more secure. We will end up losing hundreds of billions of dollars worth of jobs."


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:48 PM
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25. Thanks so much for the great links
I am going to forward them on to several others in my group. :hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:47 PM
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14. Ok this is amazing
FOUR people showed up in support? My god where are the porta potties!
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:20 PM
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15. They're a bunch of racist scaredycats
that's for damned sure. They were supposed to be down here harrassing folks for a solid month. Guess what? They lasted less than 2 weeks because no one, I mean NO ONE wanted them near their property. Of course, when you come into town with guns blazing, threatening to hold up private citizens at gun point until they show you their papers to prove their citizenship, you're not going to get the warmest of welcomes. Asshats.

Thanks for sharing the love, proud! :loveya:

dg
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:57 PM
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27. I have another friend who lives in your area and told me the same thing
She said the mm were forced to go to the Arizona desert because there are fewer landowners there to tell them to go away.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:26 PM
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16. Y'ever notice how pathetic hate groupies look?
They all have that same brain injured facial expression and look like refugees from Mom's old sofa in the basement.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:29 PM
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18. Fantastic pictures!
And that last one.....:rofl:

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:00 PM
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28. In all fairness,
this was an hour before their meeting started. The news media said they had 200 in attendance once they started their meeting. But we had 400 on our march so we doubled their number.

They also had workshops today but wouldn't disclose the location. What does that tell ya? LOL
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:40 PM
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20. K&R
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:41 PM
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21. The law is often morally wrong.
The way this country treats immigrants is one example.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:48 PM
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22. I worked 20 years in the construction business. I made nearly
eighty applications in 2006 in the Dallas/Ft Worth construction market. I am an experienced and highly-skilled sheet metal mechanic and had reached the $20+/hour level. I deserve the best job at the best pay.

After eighty applications, hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars in expenses, I gave up. If it were'nt for my own ingenuity, I would be living in a cardboard box. I miss the life I had when I could find work in my chosen profession. And I blame every company to which I applied for the direction my life is now forced to take.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:33 PM
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24. The truth does not serve people who want open borders.
They are busy pretending that your jobs were jobs that Americans wouldn't do.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:12 PM
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29. A lot of us are working on other measures that make more sense
than standing on the border with guns and harassing Hispanic laborers.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:32 PM
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30. Like reporting illegals?
Or is that racism on this radical extremist site as well?

By the way, you CAN post the facts regarding your allegation can't you? Well, please do provide something to support your statement that people are standing on the border with guns harassing legal laborers.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:14 PM
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31. Well since you want to join them
you can watch their videos they post on their website. But watch closely because the web master deletes them pretty regularly. They spend a LOT of time making sure no one thinks they are violent or racist.

In the meantime, here are videos of mm assaulting and harassing laborers. Note that they don't check for citizenship status before they attack these laborers. http://www.minutemenunvarnished.com/minutesite/home.html

Here is what they are doing in Arizona: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0111protest0111.html

And here is more info on the felon who is their leader and was the keynote speaker last night. If they are so dedicated to upholding laws and doing that legally, why is a felon with a history of violent crimes their leader? Why does his ex-wife have sole custody of his son and a restraining order against him?

http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?pid=166

From a DUer who lives on the border:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2807800&mesg_id=2808513

And some more links:

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/15/snapshots-of-volunte.html

http://www.wecanstopthehate.org/site/page/myths_v_facts

"Take heed of our weapons because we're going to defend our borders by any means necessary"



That's a quote from Chris Simcox, the founder and leader of the minutemen.









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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:21 PM
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32. So your violent attack was a guy walking on the sidewalk....
Carrying an American flag, and brushed shoulders with another guy? No wonder you have no arrest record or court conviction.

Also, considering the Mexican drug cartels and MS-13 down there, I would not feel comfortable being in the desert NOT armed.

"Associated Press: WASHINGTON Immigration-related felony cases are swamping federal courts along the Southwest border, forcing judges to handle hundreds more cases than their peers elsewhere. Judges in the five, mostly rural judicial districts on the border carry the heaviest felony caseloads in the nation. Each judge in New Mexico, which ranked first, handled an average of 397 felony cases last year, compared with the national average of 84. Federal judges in those five districts: Southern and Western Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California handled one-third of all the felonies prosecuted in the nation's 94 federal judicial districts in 2005, according to federal court statistics.

While Congress has increased the number of border patrol officers, the pace of the law enforcement has eclipsed the resources for the court system. Judges say they are stretched to the limit with cases involving drug trafficking or illegal immigrants who have also committed serious crimes. Judges say they need help. "The need is really dire. You cannot keep increasing the number of Border Patrol agents but not increasing the number of judges," said Chief Judge John M. Roll of the District of Arizona."

Hell, you're lucky they ALL are not armed when witnessing and reporting these dangerous felons.

As for the founder, I have never spoken with him and neither have you to determine what you are talking about. However, do you really want to introduce other family issues unrelated to your accusations, when you do not know for sure? If you do, then the government can check to see if all people crossing our border ever beat their wife or kid. Would that make you happy?
:shrug:
Of course, none of them would be allowed to cross the border if that happened, but if that's what you want, then so be it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 03:04 AM
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33. So you watched one video and think you have a complete picture
There are about a dozen videos there. The first one shows the minuteman bumping into the guy on the sidewalk.

You have been watching too much Lou Dobbs. The vast majority of immigrants crossing the border are not MS-13 or drug runners. They are starving and looking for work. The market for ethanol has driven up the cost of corn and the Mexicans can no longer afford it. So they cross the border to find work. Would you cross a border without papers to feed your family? Or would you wait for as long as 5 years for the necessary documents to cross as a documented worker?

Chris Simcox is a convicted felon. He beat up his wife and she has a restraining order against him. He also carried a loaded gun onto federal property, another felony. We don't need to talk to him in person to verify this; his criminal record is public information.

Now please answer my question: if the minutemen are so concerned about legal behavior, why do they tolerate a leader with a criminal record? Don't you find it odd that they obsess over immigrants crossing the border (which, BTW, is a CIVIL offense, so they are no more 'illegal' than you are when you drive over the speed limit) yet they don't seem concerned about a real 'illegal' who leads their organization?

Oh, btw, here is the fence they built, the one they said would be as secure as the border fences installed by Israel in Palestine:

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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:50 AM
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34. Again you gloss over the facts of the Associated Press article
I first want employers of illegals heavily fined and/or imprisoned for employing illegals. Once this happens, word goes back to their home countries to stop coming, because nobody is hiring anymore. Those already here, would no longer be able to work and will have to return to their home countries on their OWN money. Those who refuse to return can be rounded up, just like they always have been, and sent back and their home country will be billed for the cost of this. THAT IS MY POSITION ON THIS SUBJECT!!!!! AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!!

YOU cannot change the fact that these ILLEGAL immigrants BROKE our laws and continue to do so. YOU also cannot change the fact that dangerous ILLEGAL immigrants are committing felonies in our country. If you choose to look the other way and our government refuses to do anything about it, due to Corporate America, then I choose to look the other way when people return to the Wild West to correct the problem.

I do find it odd that out of all of this alleged violence committed by the Minute Men on ILLEGAL immigrants, that you cannot produce your public records of this to prove your claims.

If you seen me back a truck up to your neighbors house, kick in the door, and start loading your neighbors belongs up, would you call the police?

You damn right you would! So do NOT get all fucking upset when reasonable people in this country demand enforcement of our LAWS and stop theft when the LAW is AWOL! There is no damn difference at all, and the law was already changed in the 80s to accommodate ILLEGALS. Fucking live with it now, it's the LAW.

By the way, YOU have convinced me more to become an Independent, rather than Lou Dobbs, with YOUR rhetoric. Give up your job and livelihood to ILLEGAL immigrants first, then you will have some credibility on your attacks against those who are against ILLEGAL immigrants. You are only stabbing the working people in the back!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:55 PM
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26. Thank you for blaming the companies who hire them instead of the workers
I am so sorry you are having problems. A good friend of mine in the construction business is having the same problem. He is now driving a truck and hates it. It really sucks but demonizing people is not how to solve this problem.

I typed a long response to someone upthread who said he was going to join the minutemen and was offended by our march. But that subthread was deleted. Briefly, other than heavy fines against employers, I think we need fair wage legislation that is enforced. If everyone had to make the same salary, the contractors would hire the workers who speak English and have citizenship. Reforming NAFTA would help as well.


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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:27 PM
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23. Awesome! The Minutemen are so 00's . nt
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