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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:19 PM
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Poll question: was moveon.org wrong for endorsing a candidate
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 03:20 PM by fenriswolf
just wanted to see how this pans out.

wrong meaning they should have stayed politically neutral

right meaning as a political orginization it is within their power to choose a canidadate. especially if they chose based off of membership poll
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:25 PM
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1. I'm done with them. Plus, locally, when they got together like 4 people showed.
and most were of the gadfly type.


So, no great loss for me.


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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:13 PM
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10. In the '04 Election, MoveOn put up a bigger fight than the Democratic Party did.
I worked with both groups.

MoveOn was more effective than the Dems.

Our local dem office was like the DeadZone.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:19 PM
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14. Amen.
Particularly here in Michigan ... MoveOn is FAR more involved and active. Hell... the "Dems" have thrown Michigan under the bus.

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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:46 PM
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15. Wow, I'm in Michigan too and my Dem campaign office was always hoppin'
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:03 PM
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20. In 04?
I tried to get Kerry signs and they told me, and I quote:

"Lawn signs don't vote".

MoveOn, conversely, had coordinated efforts, people on the ground,
massive meetings and they made me WORK....
I was out knocking on door from 6:00 to 8:00 almost
every night, and after that, I had to do an accounting
of my canvassing.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:26 PM
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2. I'm not a moveon member nor am I all that familiar with their 'rules' ..... but ......
..... I am almost certain anytime they do something like this it is after a poll of their membership.

If that's the case, then who are we to say what's right or wrong?
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:32 PM
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3. They poll their members
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 03:33 PM by CC
and let them decide so I don't see why they shouldn't. I have seen where they have polled and it was so close they decided not to support any one candidate and to revisit it at a later time.




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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:40 PM
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4. I have more critters than you
Of course a lot of mine are chickens.....
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:42 PM
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5. Personally , it seems that Organizations like MoveOn,
just like DU have individuals who support different Candidates.

It just seems Individuals can and should support and if they
wish go out and campaign for the Candidate of their Choice.

It just seems the Organization should remain neutral util the
actual Election. Then Everyone get behind the Democratic Candidate.
The Website at that time goes all out to suuport the Democrat.

I was an Edwards Supporter and now support Hilary. It would
hurt if the Website chose one above the other even if had been
my candidate.

This is just one person's opinion.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:47 PM
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6. I agree
But I cannot vote in your poll. I am decided for John Edwards.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:49 PM
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7. MoveOn handled this very badly
They really should have published the results of the poll but, not have said it was any kind of endorsement.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:59 PM
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9. I agree completely n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:36 PM
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23. MoveOn polled their members to see if they wanted to hold an endorsement vote.
The membership said yes.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:58 PM
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8. with all the hillary supporters spitting venom I would have
thought their would be at least 1 vote for wrong on hillary.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:15 PM
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11. Spitting venom is their NORMAL state.
Not to worry.

:eyes:
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:16 PM
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12. think the are voting as the 3rd party?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:18 PM
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13. I think they are shunning your poll.
While they collect their venom in little vials
for other uses.

:)
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:58 PM
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16. I worked for them in recent election for Ky guv and I am so disappointed in them
NOW. I would feel this way whichever way the group selected. It is not appropriate for a dem group like Move-on to choose between two important new directions in the dem party.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:01 PM
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17. Did Move-on hold a poll? If so, I was not cognizant of it. It is decidedly
inappropriate to take sides in the primary season.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:11 PM
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18. PDA did a straw poll in the fall and has changed their endorsement
as candidates have dropped out: Kucinich- Edwards- Obama. Well, I recently got someone to join who is a Hillary supporter and she got pissed off when she saw them endorse Obama. She didn't know about the straw poll. At this point I think it would probably been better for PDA to say nothing, since most of the dyed in the wool members aren't heavy hitters for Obama or Clinton, and choosing one of them just irritates the others supporters. For some reason it takes a lot of restraint to make NO ENDORSEMENT.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 05:15 PM
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19. I could care less.
Doesn't make one difference to me who anyone endorses.

I heard some of the complaints...they should be neutral, this and that, the Betrayus thing...but I really don't care who they support...doesn't change my mind one bit.

I am a member...although I've never donated.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:05 PM
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21. I'm a Clinton supporter and it's neither right nor wrong. It's a legitimate thing to do,
and it's up to each member to decide if it something they want to support.
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redbaum21 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:33 PM
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22. Obama all the way! 2008!
Obama all the way! 2008!
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