Egypt: Surveillance videos show no ships in areas where cables were cut

[JohnyCanuck]

allegedly by ships dragging their anchors (for those gullible enough to believe the "official" story).

Ships did not cause Internet cable damage
(AFP)

3 February 2008


CAIRO - Damage to undersea Internet cables in the Mediterranean that hit business across the Middle East and South Asia was not caused by ships, Egypt’s communications ministry said on Sunday, ruling out earlier reports.

The transport ministry added that footage recorded by onshore video cameras of the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the area when the cables were damaged.

‘The ministry’s maritime transport committee reviewed footage covering the period of 12 hours before and 12 hours after the cables were cut and no ships sailed the area,’ a statement said.

‘The area is also marked on maps as a no-go zone and it is therefore ruled out that the damage to the cables was caused by ships,’ the statement added.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2008/February/theworld_February77.xml§ion=theworld&col

Some of us :tinfoilhat: types have been speculating that this could be a prelude to a US and/or Israeli attack on Iran (as Iran's communications links were the ones most heavily damaged) in the coming days. However, I was reading not too long ago on the internet where someone with experience in these matters was saying how in a case where the US is going to invade or attack a country the US forces will intentionally stage feints and set up what appear to be preparations for an attack, but then back off before the actual attack starts. The whole purpose of these false attacks is just to throw the targeted enemy off kilter and off balance and to wear the enemy down as it has to continually prepare to repel a possible attack and then stand down again over and over. Then one day when they figure the enemy's capabilities to mount a defense have been sufficiently compromised, the real attack takes place. I am wondering if this was not just one of these feints, or false attacks, just to keep Iran's military off balance.

[lonestarnot]

1. A super Tuesday.

Speculation will give you gray hair.

[Subdivisions]

2. Yea, I got made fun of for even suggesting that there may

be some sort of foul play going on here. And even after a third cable was cut yesterday, there were still those that love to make fun of anyone who might get the idea that these incidents were anything more than accidents caused by anchors and screws.

Here is my original thread on this incident:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2803811&mesg_id=2803811

And here's a little more to add to the tinfoil idea that a major event may be in the works:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_w9R7AdaQhgaZPvz3MYw7ApULcw

And here is more:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/5507346.html

[malaise]

9. Frightenng indeed

I wondered about the possibility of a tropical storm but now I'm worried.

[Subdivisions]

20. I notice that those who were gleefully accusing some of us in

the earlier thread of being tinfoil accessorized are nowhere to be found now that a third cable has been cut.

Would you like me to call you out by name so you can respond further to these events?

[malaise]

37. Why would you call me out by name

My comment was that cables were cut from Jamaica, Cayman and the Turks and Caicos during hurricane Ivan. I'd believe anything relating to Bushco's criminality, but I don't really know what happened here. What I know from some of the posts today is that other things are happening which make me suspicious of Bushco, but what's new about that.

[Subdivisions]

49. And now there's a fourth...and you weren't the only one being

obtuse about these cables...where are the others?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2812145

[malaise]

50. What was obtuse about pointing out that

a hurricane damaged our cables.

[Subdivisions]

54. Looking back now, you aren't either of the two people who

were obviously being agitators in that thread and to whom I was referring.

I have no reason to doubt or dispute what you said. I was referring directly to those who immediately began with their tinfoil accusations, never considering for a moment that there might ACTUALLY BE something more than just conspiracy theory to the story.

And now, a fouth cable is severed on yet another day. Sounds to me like there is some isolation action going on around those parts.

Looks like you misconstrued "Would you like me to call you out by name so you can respond further to these events?" as being directed at you. It was not. And those to whom that statement does refer have still yet to come forward and admit there may actually be more to these events than the tinfoil accusations they advanced earlier.

[Pavulon]

11. The US has more interest in Tapping

these lines, as was done in the cold war. Cutting them stops our access to the content they carry.

We have been in this business for many years. Makes no sense to cut the line.

Iran has more interest in cutting off internet to its population than we do..

[originalpckelly]

16. Again, as I posted below, we do have an interest in cutting the lines.

A covert operation would tend not to draw attention to itself, it is not supposed to be obvious like Shock and Awe. The press of Iran would not be aware of it, and not cover it. The only real shot at knowing about these covert ops would be some random person accidentally capturing it on video, then posting it on the internet.

The US may have wonderful technology at sifting through the written or spoken words of large numbers of people, but I highly doubt that we have the ability to massively search posts to YouTube and other video sites coming out of Iran. "What is this?" is not a real descriptive title, but it could be the title of a video from someone whom catches a predator drone on camera conducting surveillance.

[Pavulon]

19. I would bet money

we have been conducting operations in Iran for 30 years. Including air space incursions, infiltration of military facilities, and Assassination. I would bet they are aware of this.

Catching a predator drone has no value, oops it strayed, sorry about that.. It is not a primary platform for spying anyway. The keyhole series and whatever follows it are what we use to spy. RF on all bands can be triangulated and intercepted from space or by other means.,

I would bet we have the ability to inspect every packet of data leaving Iran traveling over any media. Disrupting that is not in our interest.

Knocking out a civilian service to prevent some information leaking is not rational or effective. Burma tried it but the video still made it to youtube.

[originalpckelly]

23. Predators don't just spy anymore, they also have hellfires.

Remember Syria, the Israelis bombed a Syrian facility big time, and no one said anything officially. Iran can't officially say dick about this, because that would acknowledge there was something to be spied on/bombed.

Well a hellfire from a Predator isn't nearly as bad as a bomb dropped from an F-16. On the other hand, it might be just enough for someone to pull out the old video camera and take video of the explosion/aftermath.

[Pavulon]

27. Predator has no stealth capability..

If were were motivated to kill people or targets in iran we would use an aircraft undetectable by their radar systems. Israel has modifications of us hellfire ordinance designed with a reduced warhead. Ie to kill a carload of people rather than the entire block.

Retrofitting equipment to use russian weapons or french systems is more realistic. A brief read on past operations conducted by clandestine services will show current capabilities.

Of course walking up to a person on the street and shooting them or blowing up their car also works.

Sure we could cut a cable, but we could have the same effect without physically damaging it.

[BearSquirrel2]

36. Don't believe for second ...

Don't believe for a second that we don't have stealth Predator drones. We have the technology. In fact, if your target doesn't know they're being observed, it's a lot better for you. It's not like you'd be able to track the money since the military has a massive pot of missing money.

I'd think of the Predator drones the Army has as spying on people who know they're being watched.

The job of the Air Force is rapidly migrating to a geek squad of guys controlling robots. There is a reason you have to have higher ASVAB scores to go Air Force.

[Pavulon]

42. Of course we do..

we have night vision and flir as well. Which makes running in the daylight (when video cameras work) obsolete.

I just do not see the us cutting the cable.

[BearSquirrel2]

35. Agreed ...

This sounds a lot more like something the Muslim Brotherhood would want to do. They want to isolate these nations from any Western influence. Cutting off internet access is a good way to do it. Making business operations with western partners more difficult is a good way to accomplish this goal.

Ultimately, I think this is all inevitable. ICANN is falling apart right now as Russia and China is pursuing new top level domains using native character sets. At that point, they can effectively cut off their own networks by making foreign sites "disappear" from the IP numbering scheme since they will have their own internal networks. At the same time, it would be excruciatingly difficult for native English speakers to "get in" as they will be unlikely to take the effort to try to type domain names that use characters which aren't on their keyboard. It's possible, but you have to use software that most English speakers won't bother with.

Seriously, type charmap.exe at your command prompt. See how fun that is.

[Algorem]

3. Cheney.

it's got his stupidity written all over it

[ORDagnabbit]

4. the us or isreal engage in pre-emptive attacks...thats unheard of!!!

[originalpckelly]

6. I doubt Israel has enough technology in undersea matters...

to do this, this was our doing. The only thing I can think of, might be unmanned submersibles.

[conscious evolution]

7. USS Jimmy Carter

She was built with special ops and signals intelligence gathering in mind.

[originalpckelly]

5. Yes, we all knew that.

It was either done with manned or unmanned submarines, I mean who'd want to leave behind such obvious evidence of US involvement?

[Holly_Hobby]

8. Cameras wouldn't detect submarines, though. n/t

[Pavulon]

10. Umm. Militaries, even 3rd world ones...

do not use live messenger to communicate. The internet in these nations is highly restricted anyway.

The government of Iran has more interest in taking out internet service than the US.

The internet is western influence.

Militaries use satellite, internal frame relay, fixed communication lines and troposcatter to communicate.

[originalpckelly]

12. Iran's government might not use a civilian network, but the people do.

While there is value to us in infiltrating their culture with western influences, access to internet allows YouTube access. This is important, because atrocities or covert military actions may be captured on video tape by actual Iranian people. It gives us better control over what information is coming out of that region.

If someone in Iran managed to capture a UAV, for example, on video they might be able to post it on YouTube, thus proving that their nation's airspace had been violated by the US. Someone may post a video simply wondering what they are seeing, unknowingly posting covert ops.

I think it's a fairly safe guess, that if someone did know it was covert ops, if they actually knew what a Predator drone looked like, they'd simply forward it to their government. But that relies upon the assumption that Iranians are familiar in the same manner that many Americans are, with American military technology.

[Pavulon]

15. It just seems odd

because the internet allows users access to non controlled media. In Burma the government cut off outside access to hide its actions.

I can not see any reason to isolate iranians from a source of western influence. I do not know how many end users are impacted b ut I would guess this is hitting those in urban areas.

I just dont see the benefit of us cutting them off.

[originalpckelly]

17. It is the access to non-controlled media that is the problem.

Sy Hersh has reported that we've been doing covert ops inside Iran for a while now, so what I'm saying is not totally out of the question.

Video is a bandwidth intensive application, cutting the bandwidth to a nation would congest it's networks, thereby causing video sites like YouTube or LiveLeak to become slow and unusable.

Get it?

Slow and unusable = no videos coming out of iran of covert operations.

[Pavulon]

22. Sy is 30 years late

we have been running ops in iran since the fall of the shah. I would bet we were deeply involved in the mid to late 80's.

I would be interested to know how many internet users are in Iran.

What type of covert op is someone going to catch and post on youtube?

The government has access to video relay via commercial satellite. This can of course, carry video.

I get your point but do not find it plausible.

[originalpckelly]

25. Iran has the second largest population of internet users, after Israel, in the ME.

You can't begin to imagine the power of 7.5 million people with internet connections.

[originalpckelly]

26. YouTube is blocked...

but I bet there is an Iranian alternative to it. Even the Chinese get around Big Mama.

[Pavulon]

29. Sure I can..

They can go online (using a proxy or redirector) to youtube, which is ILLEGAL in iran, and view non state controlled media. Even boobies, also banned.

The us has no reason to cut access to a free media outlet in Iran.

[JCMach1]

13. Doubtful as this has caused service probs in UAE and Qatar

This is not really conducive for an attack on Iran.

Also, India was heavily affected as well.


We have had a bad sandstorm with very high winds and waves... additionally, we had some small to moderate earthquakes in the region over the weekend...

Still have to say :wtf: at the end of the day.

[originalpckelly]

21. High wind/surface waves probably would not disturb a submarine cable.

Earthquakes can be precisely pinpointed with public data. The routes of these cables are known, it should be possible to overlay the earthquake data with the location of the cables, and see if the intensity of the quakes was significant enough to do damage. Recently in 2006, a breakage occurred after the Hengchun Earthquake near Taiwan.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. I think this is important news

Why isn't it nominated?

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. The US Navy and its Cable Cutting Sub.

The design and use of cable cutters to be operated in the ocean environment has become of great importance in the field of marine engineering. Cable cutters have been of extreme interest to the US Navy. Operation of cable cutters is presently being extended to all depths of the world's oceans. The design and construction of cable cutters cover an extensive area of the engineering fields. The general method used for cutting is a mechanical technique usually involving a cutter impinging on an anvil to cut the cable or wire. In some cases scissor-like devices have been used. Operation of the cable cutter has included the manipulation of the cutter at the cable by a diver, either remote or hands-on operation of a cutter which is actuated by the force of contact with the cable, and by remote means using electrical wires to actuate an explosive firing mechanism. Generally, such cable cutters have been designed as expendable in that they can only be used to cut once and are either lost or destroyed by that operation. Originally, cable cutters were designed mostly for cutting simple wire ropes and electrical cables. Modern state-of-the-art for electrical cable construction has resulted in the use of KEVLAR as a strength member. KEVLAR is a tough synthetic fiber and cannot easily be cut by scissor mechanisms. Consequently, many new designs for various types of cable cutters have been presented during the recent years. These have generally incorporated powerful anvil/cutter blade mechanisms.

Modern cable cutting technique is also being applied to underwater deep submergence vehicles. Cutters have been designed which mount to such vehicles and can be manipulated by an operator located inside the vehicle. Cable cutters designed for use at great ocean depths have been required to be heavy and bulky in order for certain pressure sensitive components to withstand and high hydrostatic pressures. This is particularly true where hydraulic systems have been used to provide a powerful cutting force. The essence of the present invention is the presentation of an improved hydraulic cable cutter which is designed to be lightweight and to operate from, and mate with, the manipulators of a deep submergence vehicle.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/dsv.htm

[Pavulon]

24. Why cut what you can tap?

We are in the business of intercepting data. We have been in this business a very long time. There is no plausable reason for the US to physically cut a cable.





50. The Okhotsk cable tapping operation continued for ten years, involving routine trips by three different specially equipped submarines to collect old pods and lay new ones; sometimes, more than one pod at a time. New targets were added in 1979. That summer, a newly converted submarine called USS Parche travelled from San Francisco under the North Pole to the Barents Sea, and laid a new cable tap near Murmansk. Its crew received a presidential citation for their achievement. The Okhotsk cable tap ended in 1982, after its location was compromised by a former NSA employee who sold information about the tap, codenamed IVY BELLS, to the Soviet Union. One of the IVY BELLS pods is now on display in the Moscow museum of the former KGB. The cable tap in the Barents Sea continued in operation, undetected, until tapping stopped in 1992.

51. During 1985, cable-tapping operations were extended into the Mediterranean, to intercept cables linking Europe to West Africa. (30) After the cold war ended, the USS Parche was refitted with an extended section to accommodate larger cable tapping equipment and pods. Cable taps could be laid by remote control, using drones. USS Parche continues in operation to the present day, but the precise targets of its missions remain unknown. The Clinton administration evidently places high value on its achievements, Every year from 1994 to 1997, the submarine crew has been highly commended.(31) Likely targets may include the Middle East, Mediterranean, eastern Asia, and South America. The United States is the only naval power known to have deployed deep-sea technology for this purpose.

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. Who politically profits from cutting the cable?

By causing a country to be cut off from the internet?

Who is rattling sabers in the Middle east?


Occam's Razor:

The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. This principle is often called the principle of parsimony. It underlies all scientific modelling and theory building. It admonishes us to choose from a set of otherwise equivalent models of a given phenomenon the simplest one. In any given model, Occam's razor helps us to "shave off" those concepts, variables or constructs that are not really needed to explain the phenomenon. By doing that, developing the model will become much easier, and there is less chance of introducing inconsistencies, ambiguities and redundancies.

[Pavulon]

31. Lots of sabers

however there is a very clear fact here. The US runs signal intelligence operations. We run them very well. Cutting the signal is not effective to accomplishing that goal.

Profit can be looked at here from different points of view. The state of Iran uses internet monitoring and blocking tools to prevent unfettered access to the internet. The US does not. For us to cut off a source of information and communication is not smart.

The internet is a US tool in iran.

The path of least resistance is not always the right choice. Blaming the US for everything is not effective.

[scarletwoman]

28. Gosh! You mean the "ships dragging anchors" story wasn't TRUE!?!? I'm SHOCKED!

I mean, like, whooaaa, who could have seen THAT coming?!?!

(I trust I don't need the sarcasm tag...)

Thanks for posting this -- rec'd.

sw

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. The Z gram intercept: greatest cryptography coup of World War I

At the outset of the war, the Germans had five transatlantic cables
that ran through the English Channel. One went to Brest in France,
another to Vigo in Spain, one to Tenerife in North Africa and
two to New York via the Azores.

The English cable ship Telconia cut them all in England's first
offensive action in the war.

This left a cable that ran between West Africa and Brazil
that was largely American-owned that the Germans could use.

>>>>>snip.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0QUY/is_2004_July/ai_n6142317/pg_2

[formercia]

33. From my experience with undersea cables...

I was a tech on TAT-8, the first transatlantic fiber-optic cable in 1987.

From my experience, the cables lying close to a coastline that might be damaged by a ship's anchor are heavily armored. There are several layers of very high tensile strength (150Kpsi+) steel strands wound around the outside of the core which contains the fibers. The core is only a fraction of an inch but the outer diameter is somewhere around 6 inches. Just imagine trying to part a six inch diameter high-quality wire rope and you will get an idea of how much force it would take to break that cable. I had to cut a section and prep some inshore cable and it took me all of an 8 hour shift to do it.

The cable section in the deep ocean, beyond the reach of an anchor is only about an inch in diameter. As the cable approaches the coast, the layers of steel re-enforcing wire begin to increase.

I would bet that the ends of those cables will show well defined tool marks from a deliberate cut.

[Joanne98]

40. Great info!

[originalpckelly]

45. Yeah, I never thought about that.

There will be some type of evidence left behind. Although it may be the result of some type of earthquake, a poster upthread from that region says there have been a number of earthquakes in that area lately. If it happened in the area where the cables are weak, it might be possible to break it with some sort of undersea rockslide.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. The cable was repaired by a British Company which owns it.

how much information do you think they will give out in the end?

Unless we see photos and independent analysis, I remain highly suspicious.

[originalpckelly]

48. Why damage their own cable to repair it?

Wouldn't they have an interest in keeping it in operation?

If they were complicit, why not simply disrupt service and blame it on a much easier to fix problem?

[BearSquirrel2]

34. Doubtful ...

Cut cables are not good for attacks. What would be good is to pick up the cable and put a tap on each and every strand. Then let them chatter away. They put an inductive tap on a Russian cable once. The Russians could even pick up the cable and see nothing. Brilliant. Of course, with fiber-optics, you'd have to be more creative as they don't emit E-M.

The guys running the intelligence services may be evil, they aren't stupid.

[Joanne98]

38. Here's a good article

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7987

CNN reports that: “An undersea cable carrying Internet traffic was cut off the Persian Gulf emirate of Dubai, officials said Friday, THE THIRD LOSS of a line carrying Internet and telephone traffic in three days.

The first two cables “account for as much as three-quarters of the international communications between Europe and the Middle East”, so it is expected that the loss of the third cable will plunge large parts of the Middle East into darkness.

According to Mathaba Net, the latest incident took place “two days after the cable cut which "cut off Iran" and affected the rest of the Middle East and West Asia. Internet Traffic Report web site reports that Iran has lost all Internet connectivity. (http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm)

Israel and Iraq's Internet connections are still “intact”. (Mathaba.net http://mathaba.net/news/?x=580589)

“Omar Sultan, chief executive of Dubai's Internet Service Provider "DU", said that the incident was "very unusual” and that the cause of the incident "had not yet been identified."

From Mathaba News:

“The only 2 countries that were unaffected were Israel and Iraq, the only two close Anglo-American allies in the region, both remaining completely unaffected by the cable cuts, leading to theories for the causes of the cuts, which have so far been given as having been caused by ships dragging their anchors across the cables. The fact that two rare incidents have happened in the same week, and both with cables owned by the same company, on either sides of Israel and the importance of the Internet to telecommunications and business, lends suspicion to the events.” (Mathaba.net http://mathaba.net/news/?x=580589)

Coincidence or Network Warfare?

Recently, a document entitled Information Operation Roadmap was declassified by the Pentagon because of a Freedom of Information Act request by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.

The importance of information warfare is clearly laid out in this document. Here is an extended excerpt from an article by Brent Jessop, “Full Spectrum Information Warfare” published by Global Research:

“Information, always important in warfare, is now critical to military success and will only become more so in the foreseeable future..... Information operations should be centralized under the Office of the Secretary of Defence and made a core military competency.

"Objective: IO becomes a core competency. The importance of dominating the information spectrum explains the objective of transforming IO into a core military competency on a par with air, ground, maritime and special operations. The charge to the IO Roadmap oversight panel was to develop as concrete a set of action recommendations as possible to make IO a core competency, which in turn required identifying the essential prerequisites to become a core military competency."


Global Research Articles by Mike Whitney

[originalpckelly]

46. You would post a website that has previously denied the Rwandan Genocide?

:crazy:

[Echo In Light]

56. Really? I'm curious, could you please link to that specifically?

[flvegan]

39. Blaming it on Cloverfield would be more believable than anchors.

[reprehensor]

41. Just another day in the fear factory.

Was this just a test, or do they start bombing Iran now?

[Ichingcarpenter]

43. Israel calls for shelter rooms to be set up

"The next war will see a massive use of ballistic weapons against the whole of Israeli territory," claimed retired general Udi Shani.

Shani did not specify whether by 'the next war' he meant a battle against the residents of the Gaza Strip, the Lebanese or the war many speculate Israel will wage on Iran allegedly over its nuclear program, which the recent US National Intelligence Estimate conceded to be void of nuclear arms development intentions.

Speaking on the radio as part of a military propaganda offensive, Colonel Yehiel Kuperstein said the safety of civilians must be assured and put forth a plan to equip apartments with a reinforced room serving as a shelter.

"Today in Israel only one third of apartments have such a room able to provide shelter. They have neither an air filter nor ventilation system enabling anyone to stay there for a long time," said Kuperstein.

Israeli officials, who have been preparing the public for a major war, have started the distribution of brochures in six languages instructing people on how to react during a future war, particularly in the event of missile attacks.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080202132053.iohfg5ob&show_article=1

[reprehensor]

55. Coincidence!

Or no?

We'll know shortly as the repairs for the damaged cables are supposed to begin by Tuesday.

[Echo In Light]

57. Spooky

[Joanne98]

44. Maybe Bush and Cheney are mad about this....

I figure, despite reservation, the need to shed some light and praise on Iran’s reconstruction plans in Lebanon after the Summer war of 2006 with Israel.

Somehow, I feel, Iran has some responsibility in rebuilding what Israel has damaged during the war of 2006.

Two years after the war, Iran has completed 400 of the 600 projects it has taken the duty to rebuild including academic, religious and medical centers, bridges, rural infrastructure facilities, and power stations, 70 percent of which is already complete.

While many Arab, French and European countries have also pitched in, in helping Lebanon - The US of A has been a great help in sending us weapons and Humvees - which gives validity in fighting our enemies by the same means they use (weapons, instead of intellectual and economic means)

…there are so many ways to wage wars.

Regardless, an official Iranian engineer has stated that Iran has also taken upon itself the task to reconstruct 375 kilometers of damaged highways and roads, 199 kilometers of which have been completed.

While this post may tend to favor the Opposition (or Hezbollah more specifically) - my intention is to state the facts and figures.

http://theinnercircle.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/iran-rebuilds-400-new-projects-in-lebanon/

You know how they HATE IT when anyone helps the POOR!

[RL3AO]

51. Why would the US want to piss off India?

Behind China, they have the biggest impact, for better or worse on our economy.

[Ichingcarpenter]

52. The NSA taps into undersea cable- from May 23, 2001

A good read which also mentions the USS Jimmy Carter Sub


just a small snippet from the article.


Details of the NSA cable-tapping project are sketchy. Individuals who confirm the tap won't specify where or when it occurred. It isn't known whether the cable's operator detected the intrusion, though former NSA officials say they believe it went unnoticed. Nor is it known whether the NSA has attempted other taps since. Efforts to intercept all sorts of signals--ranging from military radar to international phone calls--are among the most highly classified U.S. government operations. Leaking information about interception methods is a federal crime punishable by imprisonment.


http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-529826.html

[InkAddict]

53. 2005 World submarine cable map

http://www1.alcatel-lucent.com/submarine/refs/World_Map_LR.pdf

http://www.kisca.org.uk/cable_snagging.htm

Oops.


http://www.kisca.org.uk/emergencies.htm

What to do if you snag one (LOL-not funny)
Wonder if the numbers are accurate?