You wanna know why the Repubs will win the '08 Presidency? Spend 5 minutes in GD/P.

[Richard Steele]

We had it IN THE BAG, people....the Repubs have screwed up
so much, for so many, that ANY generic candidate with a (D)
after their name could have waltzed into the White House...

But all those GENERIC(D) candidates have been weeded out,
and all we have left are the two "most likely to lose"....
The only two who could have POSSIBLY lost, actually.

The only two whose "supporters" are so goddamn batshit crazy
that DU had to turn GD/P into a special Rubber-Room just
to contain their hateful, mindless bullshit.

Spend 20 minutes in GD/P, and then try to tell me why the
Repub nominee won't win in a landslide.

[acmavm]

1. You're absolutely right. But it's too late now.

[Richard Steele]

2. "Too late" for who? The hidiots who post in GD/P?

Personally, I intend to be here for quite some time.

[Richard Steele]

3. Self-delete; I blame Carlo Rossi!

Gather ye RESPONSES while ye may....

[Richard Steele]

4. OK, fixed the title-line, finally... third time's the charm & I'm off to bed. cya!

[Philosoraptor]

5. Some think that a D president is a certainty in 08.

Me, not so sure, or optimistic. And what if a D got in, will sunshine and happiness break out across the world?

[pnwmom]

7. Only if massive election fraud is avoided. n/t

[pnwmom]

6. "Batshit crazy," huh?

Maybe there's some projection going on here.

[Richard Steele]

8. Bookmark this thread, and get back to me in December if you have anything to add at that time.

I'll bet a shiny new nickel that you won't be reminding me
of this thread 10 months from now.

[pnwmom]

17. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

Are the supporters crazy because it doesn't matter which of the two is the nominee, they're similar and you'll support either one?

Or are they crazy because it doesn't matter which of the two is the nominee, they both suck and you won't vote for either?

[Richard Steele]

44. I'm saying it doesn't matter because either of them will LOSE in November.

We had this election in the bag- the average voter
is so disillusioned with the (R) party's incompetence
and blatant criminality that this election was OURS.

All we had to do was nominate some bland older male, and
he could have just kept his mouth shut and waltzed into
the White House while a record number of registered "R"
voters stayed home.

We've tossed out the candidates who were assured of victory,
and we're left with the only two who will FIRE UP the disheartened
conservatives and create a record turnout for their side.

We've got an unknown, young-looking black guy of muslim descent
whose name rhymes with "Osama"...
and the single most DISLIKED woman in the entire USofA.

By the time the Mainstream Media is done with its work on them,
neither will be likely to get 40% of the vote.

Remember '04, when we ran a brilliant "decorated war hero" against
a dumbass military deserter? Remember how the Media tilted that
into a victory for the deserter?

We nominate Hillary or Obama, and the REPUBS won't even need Diebold-
media-spin alone will ensure a landslide victory for them.

No, it's not RIGHT; nor is it even remotely HONEST or FAIR...
But it's what is going to happen, nevertheless.


(eddited fer pour spellin)

[Frank Cannon]

52. You are absolutely, 100%, no-shit-Sherlock correct

I am basically sitting here resigned to fate and yet transfixed in morbid fascination. It really is like watching a super-slow-motion train crash that takes years to reach its bloody conclusion, and it's been going on ever since Sean Hannity and the FOX propaganda bureau started telling US who our top candidates were. That should have raised an enormous red flag for everyone right there.

It's been obvious to me since the very beginning what's been going on. Why no one else seems to perceive what's happening boggles my mind. I have the exact feeling I had when apparently 90% of the country thought George Bush was doing a great job, and yet I could still clearly see he was a worthless idiot.

[sandnsea]

9. And your post is all acumen and insight

:eyes:

I think there are supporters of all the candidates who are a bit batshit crazy. The ones who can't see that reality are probably the most batshit crazy of them all.

[Richard Steele]

10. Please see post #8 above. nm

[Wizard777]

11. I think the worst thing that we could do to the republican party.

Is put another Republican in the White House in '08. They absolutely count on us to clean up thier messes. We cannot continue to do this. Because everytime they make a mess. We clean it up and get the country back on track. Then America gets brave a decides to take a chance on another Republican. NO MORE! We need to keep putting Republicans in the white House until America cries, Uncle Sam! We promise we'll never ever at anytime for any reason or for any office gamble on a republican. We're close to that. But we're not there yet. The impeachment of President Mc Cain in 09 should do exactly that.

[Philosoraptor]

13. Interesting but painful concept.

Tough love might work, or sheer exhaustion and revulsion. When the price of everything goes up five times, maybe folks will think about how the repubs always fail, steal, lie and murder.

[Wizard777]

15. From the declaration of independance.

"Mankind is inclined to suffering."

A republican White House in 08 will create this formula in the minds of americans. Republican + win = suffering. It will become a pavolvian response. Just say republican and they will drool, whimper, and vote Democrat.

[mwb970]

25. If Americans can put up with bush, they can put up with *anybody*.

I'm not sure that America will suddenly wise up and cry uncle with McCain at the helm after 8 years of watching bush commit crime after crime after crime.

Your plan would have worked if there had been a series of Republican presidents, each worse than the one before. But the stinker in there now is so awful that anyone, even a Republican, will look like a big improvement.

[blondeatlast]

32. that philosphy doesn't work if you have children, believe me.

Not another day of this. My son will NOT fight GWB's wars.

It must stop and there's only one desperate breath of hope for him--ANY Democrat in November.

[Angela Shelley]

12. Comforting words for Dicksteele

GD/P is not the center of the universe.

[KeepItReal]

14. Al Gore could have moonwalked and/or cakewalked into the White House - now its a crap-shoot.

Democrats have a nasty habit of losing "close" presidential elections nowadays.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

[Wizard777]

16. We also can't be sure that a republican win won't come from diebold.

The republicans have sucessfully kept the dog off that bone. The Only place we've done election reform is in Iraq.

[Perry Logan]

18. Hell, even the Repubs know they're screwed.

[Tesha]

29. "Oh please don' make us run against dat Hillary Clinton!!!"

Yeah, they're just quaking in their jackboots.

Tesha

[AzDar]

56. Oh gawd, that just made me...

:rofl:

Spot-on!

[Richard Steele]

45. They did. Their only hope was if we did something like nominate the most disliked woman in the USA.

Hey, would you look at that!

[Name removed]

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[Angela Shelley]

20. I´m reading this shit

and the information makes a difference.

[ClintonTyree]

22. But YOUR post will be our salvation.........

:rofl: Great way to inform us that all of our posts are meaningless tripe.....by posting meaningless tripe of your own. :rofl:

"Enjoy all your meaningless postings and rants". :wtf: Then why are YOU posting? :shrug:

Go away! Shoo!

[blondeatlast]

34. What you said. nt

[blondeatlast]

33. Jesus! You have come to SAVE US! Praise be!

Thank God you're here--I see the light!

Fuck off, Saviour.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

21. Because DU is not a reflection of real life. It's a skewed sample.

As is your view of the remaining candidates.

BTW when you put people in a rubber room it can make them feel like bouncing off the walls. It's not necessarily the other way around.

[Richard Steele]

48. Yes, it is a skewed sample.

Out in the general population, there's not two (D) voters in a hundred
who are genuinely enthusiastic about electing Hillary or Obama.
But there are a hell of a lot of racists and mysogynists in the (R) camp
who will drag themselves across broken glass to vote against them.

And by the time the MSM does its job on them, the vast "mushy middle"
is gonna hold its nose and vote "old white guy (R)".

Long story short: Repubs win the White House in November.

Count on it. :(

[Richard Steele]

23. You wanna know why the Repubs will win the '08 Presidency? Spend 5 minutes in GD/P.

We had it IN THE BAG, people....the Repubs have screwed up
so much, for so many, that ANY generic candidate with a (D)
after their name could have waltzed into the White House...

But all those GENERIC(D) candidates have been weeded out,
and all we have left are the two "most likely to lose"....
The only two who could have POSSIBLY lost, actually.

The only two whose "supporters" are so goddamn batshit crazy
that DU had to turn GD/P into a special Rubber-Room just
to contain their hateful, mindless bullshit.

Spend 20 minutes in GD/P, and then try to tell me why the
Repub nominee won't win in a landslide.

[skip fox]

24. My analsisis not the same, but my result (that the GOP CAN win) is the same.

The conventional wisdom is that because of Bush, the war, and now the economy, the GOP will surely lose the White House this year.

Yet we are ignoring both polls and the nefarious tricks and twistings of Rove et al.

"No compacency, no loss," might be our battle cry.

[Squatch]

26. I'm not so sure.

I'm constantly surprised by the number of my heretofore RW friends are considering voting for Obama or Clinton.

[Tesha]

27. And so far, all the polling data agrees with you.

Our party's nominating system seems *DESIGNED* to select
the sure loser from among the possible winners. I wonder
why that is?

Tesha

[sendero]

28. I really think..

... that once the nomination is secured, the vitriol level will die down to almost nothing.

I also think the GOP will have to do some massive stealing to win, the economy is going to put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican brand, and no amount of Fed triage is going to fix it.

[u2spirit]

30. As disgusted as I am by what is going on in GDP

The Freepers are at each others throats as well. I remember 4 years ago all the backbiting until Kerry secured the nomination, then we at DU coalesced and went after Bush. Of course after Kerry lost, it was back to being at each others throats.

[EFerrari]

31. As disgusting as the primaries have been, they don't matter

as much as what we're being set up for. The Republics have pulled out the election fraud stops. And now that we have mandated digital voter reg databases, your vote comes pre-stolen because they're kicking people off the rolls invisibly.

If Hillary or Obama "loses", the Noise Machine will say we weren't ready for a woman or a black man. And they won't say anything about the thousands of voters who were turned away because their registration vanished or because they were subject to some other kind of suppression. Like vote caging which the Republics openly brag about in email. Holy cow, GDP is actually a relief from having to consider all of that.

[JNelson6563]

35. Nonsense

First of all, if you think some band of keyboard commandos on an obscure DB is indicative of anything you are much mistaken. Secondly, such crazed zealots are nothing new to the primaries. You should've seen the primary season for 04. It resulted in the original segregated forum for primary shit flinging. (As a side note, sadly the admins turned it into GD Politics after the election so countless folks then started using GD as their personal lounge but that's another post.)

While I am most UNenthused by the choices we are left with I will vote for whichever one is left standing. I don't know a single person in real life who does not share this view. So, with that said, I recommend you avoid the lunacy in GDP, get out into the real world and talk to some activists--the team-player kind. Never mind those who simply joined the effort because of some infatuation with a candidate for the WH. They don't tend to think long term or big picture and will likely fade away after the primaries (possibly to resurface during the next primary and resume their useless shit flinging).

If nothing else, be glad that the useless shit flinging monkeys have DU to occupy their time. It keeps them out from underfoot of the adults here in the real world who are actually trying to get work done.

Julie

[L. Coyote]

36. Since when does DU have anything to do with the real world? Especially the Dems

LOL!

[opihimoimoi]

37. Nope, the Pubs will lose their asses...Mitt is unfit ...and Hugger McLame is tainted

[ThomWV]

38. You're wrong, but not by much. We have poor candidates. Fortunately theirs are worse.

[Richard Steele]

49. Did that matter in '04?

We ran an intelligent decorated veteran
against a deserter who was known to be
an incompetent idiot.

Compare that matchup to what's coming up,
and tell me who's gonna win this time.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

65. There were other more important factors in 2004 that I'm not sure exist now

First, there was 9/11 and the big myth that the MSM had built up around Bush/GOP in general that they were the only ones who could effectively deal with (Islamic) terrorism and they were also able to skillfully manipulate fear of terrorism to the hilt through their flagrant (mis-)use of the Homeland Security Department's issuance of "terror alerts" about creepy terrorist plots that never materialized. Coincidentally, the intensity of "terror alerts" appears to have greatly slackened since 2004 and, absent another terrorist attack, terrorism may not be as important of an issue to voters this time around (also, if we get hit again, blame would be laid at the GOP's feet NOT ours). Secondly, incumbency in and of itself was also a powerful factor. Bush got loads of free airtime and had other publicity available to him simply by virtue of being (P)resident that he was able and all too willing to use to attack Kerry without Kerry having an equal ability to respond to his attacks. Third, prior to 2004, Bush hadn't tried to privatize Social Security or "save" Terri Schiavo, and Hurricane Katrina hadn't happened all of which significantly dragged down his popularity and that of the GOP among most of the public. Fourth, the GOP wasn't in the kind of disarray in 2004 that it seems to be right now. The GOP lost Congress in 2006 due to a "perfect storm" (tsunami?) of GOP resignations, scandals, and massive discontent about Iraq and things don't seem to have improved much for them since then. John McCain, who all but appears to be the presumptive nominee, isn't liked by the more rabid conservative wing of his party and the usually reliable coalition of business interests and "values voters" seems to be splintering. Additionally, several prominent Republicans in Congress have resigned or will be resigning, giving us the opportunity to build an even stronger Democratic majority in Congress. Fifth, even with all of their advantages (and possible electoral shenanigans), Bush/Cheney only won by a slim 2% margin (if you believe the official results). It certainly was not a "mandate" as Bush/Cheney/GOP/MSM claimed right after the election. Sixth, for all of our candidates' "flaws" and the controversy they seem to arouse, the GOP candidates this year are a pretty lousy bunch with McCain being the only possible exception (from an electoral standpoint). Seventh, the momentum this election seems to be geared towards change and I'm not convinced that the majority of the public wants another 4-8 years of Bush policies, which all of the GOP candidates have committed to continue, nor another "stupid white man". Whatever else you can say about Hilary and Barack, there is no denying that they are fighters and they have both attracted a lot of MSM attention and brought more people to the polls during this primary season thus far. I personally believe that this election is really ours to lose.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

39. Part of puke strategy is to deeply divide the Democratic Party and it is working great.

There will be some deep and hurtful backlash from this primary hatefest.The odds of a puke for four more years grow better everyday and it may be too late to change the bad feelings. Only Al Gore may be able save the this election. A unity ticket is another possible alternative.

[Virginia Dare]

40. I'd agree with you, but..

have you seen who the repubs are running?

[question everything]

41. Sadly, you are correct

Especially if there is an "instability" in the world - does not have to be a terrorist attack - and you will see McCain sails to the White House.

But, you know, I blame the candidates. I think that Biden, Dodd and Richardson should have stayed to at least Super Tuesday.

Edwards came to St. Paul last week, and many of us braved the temp. of -11 (that's MINUS 11) and windchill of -30. He met an enthusiastic crowd, there were a few workers for him - not sure whether they were volunteers or paid staff - who said that he was going to establish a campaign here. He was the first to come and his visit made the headlines of the local news and papers, did not cost him a cent, except for a plane ticket and hotel room. But, as we found out the next day, he already knew that he was going to drop out.

This is what the rest of them should have done, just visit candidate-starved states voting today and get a free publicity for just visiting. And, who knows, the debate may have been more about the issues and less about biting.

[Desertrose]

42. and I thought I was the only one who thought this.....

"The only two who could have POSSIBLY lost, actually."


Couldn't agree more.

[bpeale]

43. the dems will lose because they can't get everyone to walk in lockstep

and they would rather lose than compromise to get those who will vote 3rd party.

[defendandprotect]

46. You're right about Edwards, if that's what you're getting at ---

[Richard Steele]

50. Not just Edwards- ANY of them could have won.

Living in NC, I have some serious reservations about Edwards.
I'm not a fan.

But at least he could have WON against anyone the Repubs could put up.

[defendandprotect]

47. ...but I think you're wrong about McCain --- 75% of the public are against Iraq war ---

Wasn't the joke recently that McCain's campaign strategy would be:

"Less jobs/more war" . . . ???

And, he's a short, pink ugly man ---

[Frank Cannon]

54. "Short, pink ugly man?" The MSM will make him a bronzed God...

by the time the election rolls around. Count on it.

[artemisia1]

51. Free Republic

Free Republic.

They are in worse shape than we are.

[Skittles]

53. exactly what the MSM wanted

and DUers fell for it like moronic freepers

[Perry Logan]

55. Or maybe we'll lose because we think and talk like losers?

[DemGa]

57. Yes, and I hear the turnout was very low for both of these candidates

There just doesn't seem to be the same kind of excitement in the air as say, for a McCain or Huckleberry! LOL!!

[depakid]

58. It won't be GD-P

The corporate media and the Republican smear machine make that petty tripe look even more amateurish than it is....

Thus far, they've been suspiciously fawning over Obama, but just wait and see what happens if he gets the nomination. They'll chew him up and spit him out until his negatives are just as high as Hillary's.

And all the while, they'll be building up McCain as a straight talking moderate who "appeals to independents."

That's pretty much a given.

[Horse with no Name]

59. K&R

You got that right my friend. I don't think I will be one of the ones hanging around saying "I told you so" either.

[IsItJustMe]

60. I hate posts like this. You will never win anything with that type of attitude. Never.

[Blue_Tires]

61. I blame Nader j/k

but honestly, up until yesterday i never thought the flames, insults and subversion in GD:P would match, much less exceed what was going on in the '04 primary...i honestly wonder if the Dems are moving in the proper direction, or are they so concered with getting somewhere it doesn't matter where the destination is?

[bryant69]

62. Yes -because only Hillary Obama supporters could possibly be nasty

What bullshit.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Kajsa]

63. DU doesn't represent all of the Dem.voters.

As much as I love it here,
we aren't the end all and be all.

That certainly applies to the vitriol
in GD-P.

We are a part of the scene.

[Serenades]

64. who

Who should have gotten our nomination? I don't see anyone who would have automatically won the election.

Kuchinich- not a chance.
Gravel-Who?
Richardson-nope.
Biden-who is that guy?
Edwards-maybe but everyone thinks he's phony.

[El Pinko]

66. The weird thing is how many of them INSIST on posting their spew in GD.

"Hillary HEARTS Wal-Mart!"

"Barack Voted PRESENT!"


Good grief.


Luckily, I don't think most voters are as hunhinged as these true believers/haters.

I really hope most of that crap will end once the convention is over.

[Ikonoklast]

67. So, a minority of the total members that post on a message

Board determine exactly what the destiny of the Democratic party and its' candidate is.

I don't see it.



The only way that the other party can win is to cheat.

And they don't have a Blackwell or Harris anymore, and no one wants to step up and commit political suicide and fill that spot for them.

And then get thrown under the bus by BushCo.

They have NOBODY.

NOBODY.

[Individualist]

68. Correct

The party machine will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.