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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:46 AM
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What if they packaged & taxed marijuana like they do cigarettes?
If you could go down to the local liquor store, and purchase a pack of 20 marijuana cigarettes, would you?

Would this destroy America?

Would taxing it just like cigarettes make up for all the expense we put out on keeping marijuana smoking political prisoners in jail?

I'd like a six pack of Miller and a carton of Panama Reds please, oh, and 12 bags of cheese puffs too, and a few of those peanut butter cups....and some chocolate covered raisins too please.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:48 AM
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1. "Munchy" sales would explode!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:49 AM
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3. Would America just sit around toking all day and doing nothing?
I doubt it.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:00 AM
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17. People would abuse it, much like they do alcohol..
but I doubt it would cause more people to run out and become potheads, just like back in the 20's during prohibition, the people who wanted to drink, drank.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:12 AM
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26. And THC doesn't turn people into violent assholes like alcohol does
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:50 PM
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94. It just needs to be made legal, & end this insanty

Kid in my county went to jail for a YEAR for selling a joint to one of his friends (he was in a school zone).

Mandatory. A year for taking five bucks for a joint from his friend. And, people actually support this b.s. Imagine,if kids were sent to jail for drinking a few beers. Half of highschool kids would be in jail.

Legalize it. We need the money for REAL problems.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:24 AM
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41. No doubt in my mind that people would continue on doing thier jobs.
BUT, big PHARMA would suffer incredible losses. Would legalizing pot bring peace and prosperity?PHARMA would not be the only one to lose support, the Prison system, judicial system, plus gov "war on drugs". So where Oh, where does additional money in the system go to?
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:24 PM
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64. You know,
they could sink that money into hospitals/clinics to treat REAL addicts.

They could sink that money into rehabilitation centers for all the non violent offenders incarcerated for drug usage.

They could sink that money into job training programs.

They could sink that money into manufacturing jobs in this country so that we can improve our economy.

The possibilities are endless if they are serious about improving this country.

The war on drugs is a tremendous waste.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:49 AM
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2. Yes, I would. And no, it wouldn't destroy an already jeopardized country
Skip the shitty Miller beer though...
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:50 AM
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6. Guinness or Sam Adam's Cream Stout, & a pack of Royal Jamaicans please.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:52 AM
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8. I rarely drink. Maybe the occasional Heineken or White Russian
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:49 AM
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4. Destroy America???? I bet the violence level would sink like a
rock.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:50 AM
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5. people could still grow their own
and since there's no way to prevent that it cuts the profit margin too much for business's to be interested. It's not that it's a drug that keeps it illegal it's that they can't figure out a way to make big bucks off of it. If they kept the prices reasonable most people wouldn't grow their own but we know mega companies aren't interested and the fact that small farmers could make a living doing this isn't of importance to the powers that be. Not to mention, alcohol manufacturers and bars would take a huge hit.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:40 AM
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48. But would people grow their own?
Growing, harvesting and drying pot is a lot of work. People can also brew their own beer, but most choose not to: It's just to easy to go to the store and choose from the wide selection of professionally brewed beers.

It would be the same with marijuana. Why go to all the work to grow one kind of pot when you could go to the store and choose from a wide variety of strains?
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:16 PM
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82. I agree. People can grow their own fruits, veggies, and spices too but rarely do
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 06:18 PM by FarceOfNature
even if it's expensive people rarely grow their own if it's available in stores. Growing pot IS a pain in the ass, especially if you want to produce kind buds. I think there would be large commericially produced varities, and local businesses would venture into in creating various specialized strains. Plus there would be the whole angle of toking establishments, lounges, and the food that can be made with the product. I think it would be great for the local economies of the country.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:35 PM
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85. Disagree
Because Cannabis is easier to grow than a tomato plant. I know lots of people who grow at least a tomato plant or two in their back yards, the same people also tend to grow herbs in their small gardens. Cannabis is as simple to grow as any herb. Ever grown catnip? It grows like mad without any effort, catnip is in the Cannabis family.

All the quality strains today were created by home growers, not by business. If we let Phillip Morris grow our Cannabis they WILL fuck it up, just like they did with tobacco. I don't want any chemicals added to my smoke.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:38 PM
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93. growing good pot is not as easy as tomato plants...
you have to worry about cross pollination and such to get more than weak shit that gives you a headache. Yes you can hypothetically throw a few seeds into the dirt and something will grow and you can dry and smoke it. But it's not going to be as good as something someone spent years on to get the right blend of flavor, potency, color etc. So there is definitely a market for something an artisan spent time, effort and skill crafting versus some crap that volunteered by your pumpkins. In countries where it is legal/decrim. peole still buy local commercially; there are other factors like urban places where people don't have room to grow (not even the proverbial closet) and winter months where there might not be enough personal supply. Sure there will always be people who want to craft tehir own strains, and more power to them, that's wonderful. But I suspect the vast majority of people won't have the time or desire when one could just pop into the local liquor store and pick up fresh, delicious herbage.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:36 PM
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100. I want to pick up fresh, delicious herbage from a liquor store.
From the store itself, not the guy hanging around near the parking lot.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:45 PM
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89. I agree
I am a big time smoker and I would enjoy growing many strains of my own, but most folks would just buy it because it is easier.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:17 PM
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63. I'd be willing to never grow my own if it meant good quality
at a reasonable rate at the local convenience store.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:51 AM
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7. If everybody got high, there would be less violent crime. That would hurt the for-profit prisons.
I'm being facetious, of course, but the point is that the more activities the for-profit prisons can lobby to criminalize, the more people will be streaming into their prisons, and they're paid based on how many people they contain.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:53 AM
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9. Valid point
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:11 PM
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78. "the more activities the for-profit prisons can lobby to criminalize"
Which came first: laws against marijuana or influential, lobbying, for-profit prisons?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:55 AM
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10. be a good Idea if you ask me, oh you did ;-)
thats been a dream of mine for 40 years now but I suspect the profits in keeping it illegal will prevail for a long time to come. I kinda liked the cambodian red we used to get those so many years ago. I would be a real bitter person if I had to spend prison time for possession of pot is something I know for sure.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:55 AM
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11. yes i would
every day probably.
heck, i think they should even tax it more than cigarettes.
i saw we legalise it and make as much money off of it as we can. we have alot of roads, buildings, sewers, power lines , among other things that it could all go to.

i think at first, alot of people would buy it...just because they could... so ud see a slight increase in marijuana use for say the first couple of months... but once its old news thatll drop off.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:56 AM
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12. The Fatty And Tasty And Salty Snack Food United Commercial Kommune is all for it.
FATASSFUCK has been in favor of legal weed for years and years.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:58 AM
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15. What about genetically altered 'diet' marijuana?
What if they had pot that DIDN'T give you the blind screaming munchies?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:16 AM
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29. order of intake
If you have a glass of juice or a nice wee snack in advance of the tokies, the munchies are greatly decreased. Try it you'll like it!
And yes, I'd buy a pack of Northern Lights 100's in a heartbeat! Tax away!
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:57 AM
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13. The tax would pay for health care
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:58 AM
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14. Yes. No. Yes. (I envision packs of 10, not 20.)
:shrug:
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:59 AM
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16. With Low, Medium, and High grade strengths, like with booze.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:10 AM
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24. Probably something more like "Mellow" "Full Flavored" &
"Kick Ass".:smoke:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:11 AM
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25. Preferably High Grade over schwag
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:04 AM
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18. it would help America, not hurt it...
it would increase revenue, and keep millions of non-violent, hard-working, law-abiding people out of jail. It would remove money from organized crime. It would decrease violence and sorrow in our society.

The only people who wouldn't like it are the privatized prison industry and Big Pharma.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:06 AM
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21. & those who see pot, crack, & heroine as the same thing.
The bornagain paranoids who see anyone who took a toke as permanently ruined.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:13 AM
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27. yep, you're right about that... the irony there is that
the bornagain paranoids are the real ruined ones. ;)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:04 AM
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19. The economy would expand and tax revenues would go up.
The economy would expand not only from the sales, manufacture and distribution of marijuana but the plant by products would likely spin off new industries as well. The result from the spin offs would be even more economic expansion and tax revenues. It truly is a Godsend.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:08 AM
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22. Yet, all of this is ultimately impossible in America, weed is the same as crack.
The paranoia generated by weed haters has been 100% effective.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:06 AM
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20. Legalizing and taxing marijuana could pay off the national debt.
As far as packaging goes......

The one thing I'm worried about with legalization is that the government would demand that "legal" bud only be grown by someone like Phillip Morris or Monsanto, which would mean it would have all the poisonous, radioactive, genetically modified crap done to it, and probably wouldn't even get you stoned by the time they finished messing with it.

Buy organic!!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:10 AM
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23. I wouldn't buy any with additives.
They'd have to hit the organic nature of pot, and I'd strongly suggest selling it with NO additives whatsoever, right from the start, which they should've done with tobacco.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:16 AM
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30. Yup, outlaw that crap right from the start.
No cutting or mixing it with tobacco either. You know the tobacco companies will want try and ram that down our throats. Gotta make it addictive ya know.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:14 AM
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28. First off, I'd be in a better mood right now.
Next, yeah, I'd prbly do that.
No, I don't believe it would ruin America.
I think we'd make money not lose it.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:18 AM
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31. You've worked hard all day, now, its Mellow Time.
Mellow Time Cigarettes, nothing tops off a hard day's work like the smooth and relaxing enjoyment that only premium quality Mellow Time Cigarettes provide. A Mellow a day keeps the blues away. 5 dollars for a pack of ten, or buy em' by the carton and save. You've programmed the new software, you've delivered all your passengers safely, you've wrestled a class of 60 fourth graders through the zoo, now, sit back, light up, and let Mellow Time Cigarettes take you away from all this. You've earned your rewards in all you do, now its Mellow Time.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:17 PM
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83. *puff puff.... pass*
....mmmmmMellow Time!! :smoke:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:32 AM
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32. It would save so many small farms since it's so easy to grow.
The non psychoactive hemp creates superior textiles, rope, etc.

This video totally nails how insane our current policy is

http://hightowerdownload.com/node/30

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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:34 AM
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34. I understand it was Hawaii's number one cash crop.
Beating sugar cane and pineapples all to hell. That's been a few years.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:12 PM
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79. It's actually the top cash crop in many states.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 06:23 PM by tridim
The top 10: California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii, Washington, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, West Virginia, and Oregon.

Legalization would literally save our country.

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf

1) Marijuana is the largest cash crop in the United States, more valuable than corn and wheat
combined. Using conservative price estimates domestic marijuana production has a value of
$35.8 billion. The domestic marijuana crop consists of 56.4 million marijuana plants cultivated
outdoors worth $31.7 billion and 11.7 million plants cultivated indoors worth $4.1 billion.

2) The top ten marijuana producing states are California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii,
Washington, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama., West Virginia, and Oregon. Five states
(California, Tennessee, Kentucky, Hawaii and Washington) had marijuana crops worth over $1
billion.)

3) Despite intensive eradication efforts domestic marijuana production has increased ten fold
over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric tons
(22 million pounds) in 2006, according to federal government estimates.

4) Marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one of
the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in Alabama,
larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in Georgia,
and larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina.

5) From 2001 to 2005 federal and state eradication programs eradicated an average of 33,033
outdoor cultivation sites per year and an average of 2,701 indoor marijuana grow-rooms per year.
From 1982 to 2005 the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Domestic Cannabis
Eradication/Suppression Program (DCESP) eradicated over 103 million cultivated marijuana
plants, an average of 4.3 million cultivated plants a year over this 24 year period.

6) The ten-fold growth of production over the last 25 years and its proliferation to every part of
the country demonstrate that marijuana has become a pervasive and ineradicable part of the
national economy. The failure of intensive eradication programs suggests that it is finally time to
give serious consideration to marijuana’s legalization in the United States.

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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:33 AM
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33. What a great way to spend that tax rebate....nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:45 AM
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35. The Amsterdam model seems to work
I don't think packaging marijuana like cigarettes is the correct approach. You may think that's a silly thing to say, but how you think about the "product" determines how it is manufactured.

Instead, marijuana should be sold loose, in the same way that tobacco is now. The packages themselves would be much smaller because the quality of marijuana means that an entire cigarette would be wasteful. Also the use of vaporizers seems to be the future because no smoke occurs. Different strains create different effects.

the most imp. thing for people who would smoke is a knowledge of the manifestations of the hybrid, etc. In a way, the marketing and manufacture of mj should be more like the "starbucks" coffee phenom. Order a triple indica with a shot of sensi.. or whatever. expresso or latte. pain relief and appetite enhancement v. barry white.

(believe it or not, I'm not even involved in any of this stuff, I just follow the stories.)

anyway, this is really a "microbrewery" operation, if you ask me, because I would think growers would have to grow indoors to avoid cross pollination with hemp.. if mj were legal, hemp would be grown for tons of different things. Or rather, this is an area in which "organic" farmers would be preferable to the buying population, rather than an rj ditchweed package.

I've never hit the coffee shops in Amsterdam, but the people I know who live in The Netherlands say that it's the American tourists who really act ridiculous when they get to the coffee shops. I think that's one effect of prohibition. If it were taken out of the realm of the illegal, a lot of things Americans assume about mj might change.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:47 AM
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36. Sounds like a party to ME, dude.
I miss those days. I was a lot calmer and didn't have any panic/anxiety attacks.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:07 AM
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37. Tax it more than Cigs
No point in only taxing it the same as Cigs. At 75% of current street price you should be able to shut down most all of the illicit providers of the product.

Now if we did the same with other drugs we might actually break some of the gangs and associated problems. That alone would make it worthwhile without any tax revenue.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:18 AM
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38. Why should weed have its own excise tax?
I mean isn't the theory that the rate at which something is taxed is in relation to its societal cost?

If the government's goal was to maximize tax revenue everything from stereos to jeans would have an individually determined tax rated which maximized revenue.



I rather take the profit out of the proprietor or business after the fact via a progressive income tax.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:28 AM
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42. Sin Tax
Alcohol, Tobacco, Weed, etc. All covered by "SIN" taxes.
And it's a good way to help bring down the national debt. Since there is actually a net price reduction for the consumer along with a marked increase in quality. i.e. A win-win situation for all involved.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:20 AM
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39. Marijuana is pretty much de facto legal now in California
...the nation's most populous state.

The medical marijuana law is so broadly written that basically anyone who wants to smoke pot can get a doctor's recommendation (get out of jail free card), and there are hundreds of dispensaries open across the state. Now, they even have vending machines!

The DEA can't stop it. In fact, it looks like the US Attorney for Northern California is giving up.

Meanwhile, the dispensaries are paying sales taxes and employee taxes and creating jobs.

The pot industry is so important in Mendocino and Humboldt that legitimate businesses complain they can't find workers---they're all making $30 an hour trimming pot.

We need to follow California's lead.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:24 AM
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40. Just to be clear CA is taxing at the nominal sales tax rate?
that is the way I would also do it. No special weed excise tax.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:04 PM
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52. Just regular sales tax is my understanding.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:28 AM
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43. *ahem* Fuel potential...
*cough*
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:34 AM
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44. Philip Morris would add salt peter, ammonia and formaldehyde
Philip Morris would add salt peter, ammonia and formaldehyde to each joint. Quality of pot would decrease to allow for higher sales (or maybe a really good high, but timed to last only twenty minutes or so...?).

And this from a little bird some time ago (paraphrasing)... "We've had the marketing campaign complete for years with a trendy tweak every year or so to keep it up to date-- now we're just waiting on the green light to sell the Three-Packs" (Three-Pack? Ostensibly a pack of only three joints?)

Regardless, my surprise would be complete and absolute if it happened in our, or our children's lifetimes. It's been too vilified over the years for the establishment to even consider it. It would be political suicide for any politician to mention it. And a PR disaster (above and beyond their already current status as blue-chip whipping-post) should the tobacco companies lobby for it.

That being said-- Hey, Agent Mike: the above public service announcement was neither an admission nor a denial of puffing a joint every weekend or so.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:35 AM
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45. I would prefer they sold it by the bud.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:41 AM
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49. Do you have Sir Walter Righteous in a can?
One pound of Sir Walter Righteous, all buds, no additives.

Oh----you better let him out.....
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:36 AM
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46. A pack would cost $100. nt
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:39 AM
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47. I've been asking that damned near 30 years myself...
If they legalized marijuana, the controlled and taxed the industry like they do tobacco & alcohol, they could wipe out the national debt in about 6 or 7 years... it would also bring back a once thriving hemp industry, thus creating even more jobs..

PEACE!

Ghost

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:43 AM
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50. I'd rather roll my own


nt
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:12 PM
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54. ...or pipe it...


--IMM
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:46 AM
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51. fuck that - i wanna be able to grow it my own in my back yard. decriminalization, not legalization
:smoke:
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:07 PM
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53. No--legalization, not decrim, please.
Decriminalization means users and possessors are okay, but sales remain banned.

Legalization means possession, manufacture, and sales are all legal.

"Grow your own" provisions should of course be part of legalization. Like home brewed beer. We need a two-tiered system--one for stuff that is sold in the market, the other for personal, non-profit growing and use.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:14 PM
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56. maybe need another term. when i say 'decriminalize', i mean no laws of any type regarding cannibis.
it would just another plant growing in my yard.

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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:12 PM
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55. what if my aunt had balls?
america's head is so far up its ass that legalizing marijuana won't happen during my lifetime(currently estimated to run through 2050-ish).

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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:33 PM
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57. Why would people buy it? It is a plant, similar to the tomato plant.
People would grow it in their backyard. That is THE problem, the government has no effective way to tax it if it were legal. Marijuana does not have lobbyists in Washington promoting it while big pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists making sure it never becomes legal. The police couldn't confiscate your property if it were legal. Private prisons would lose out on profits if they didn't have marijuana violators to lock up.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:36 PM
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58. "The police couldn't confiscate your property if it were legal" = Bingo
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:54 PM
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61. Schlosser's Reefer Madness
goes into some detail about the lucrative biz of property seizure.. and the double standard when Dan Burton's son can sell hard drugs (cocaine, I think it was) and get off while some nobody jerk who didn't sell, only hooked up two people gets a life sentence... in the same state.

the law is also used as a way to discriminate based upon your access to power because the ptb know this is not a harmful substance.. again, alcohol is worse.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:49 PM
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60. they'd buy it for the same reasons people by tomatoes
not enough time, space, inclination or knowledge to diy.

as the person said above, this stuff should be sold by buds... the old "lid" bag, etc. model is obsolete because growers have created different strains for different effects and whose thc levels have been enhanced by growing techniques.

and again (I'm an expert on this because I've seen at least two seasons of Weeds, btw...:eyes: ) - anyway, vaporizers, not joints, are the trend now. or baked goods for adults only.

as far as the "sin tax" thing - I really don't think that applies to this weed. it does not have the problems that nicotine or alcohol do. No doubt people can abuse ANYTHING, but that doesn't mean everything has a sin tax attached to it.

If nothing else, states should make medicinal mj available because it does have beneficial uses for people who are ill.

Probably other states would go the way of CA... KY, for instance, would also love to be a hemp-growing state, so in addition to mj, as noted before, hemp to replace plastics and fuels and oils and paper... saving trees/carbon eaters, non-degradable plastics, etc... if people are really serious about addressing climate issues, hemp is one crop that should definitely be on the table. I'd much rather see Afghanistan supply hemp oil products rather than opium, too, for that matter.

the politicians who can make this happen are fiscal conservatives. otherwise the rr will make it a stinking issue to add money to their coffers in a holy crusade.

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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:38 PM
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59. It hasn't destroyed the Netherlands.
Last time I checked, it was a thriving, modern country. Clearly, they don't have exactly the same legal and distribution model you describe, but close enough.

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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:15 PM
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62. It would never happen.
That could put the prison industrial complex out of business.

I don't believe this would destroy America. We have more of a fear of America being destroyed by those who think the Constitution is only a piece of paper than we have a potheads with no power.

Those who would abuse it, are abusing it now. The way I see it, the only difference between legal and illegal drugs is the Prison system. Illegal weed=prison. Legal weed=no prison.

Would I buy legal marijuana cigarettes? Probably.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:21 PM
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65. ..............
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:23 PM
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66. Actually taxing it was the first step before making it illegal
No one taxes the tomatoes I grow in my back yard.

Don
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:25 PM
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67. I would run like the wind to the store.
:D :smoke:


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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:41 PM
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68. I'd grow my own
If I can grow tomatoes and garlic, I figure cannabis shouldn't be much of a challenge.

Hypothetically, of course.
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JosephSchmo Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:51 PM
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69. Too bad no candidates have enough guts to say they'll end the stupid drug war
Except Kucinich, but now he's gone.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:54 PM
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70. Ron Paul does not support the drug war
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:13 PM
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80. Actually Obama has said he supports pot decriminalization
I only found out because Hillary people were accusing him of flip-flopping on the issue. But his campaign has confirmed that he supports decriminalization IIRC.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:29 PM
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84. I am looking on Obama's website but can't find anything
:shrug:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:36 PM
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86. Here are some links to the DU threads
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4359191#4359591

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4363878


I can't find it now but I remember one where someone posted a link to someone on the campaign saying the hand-raising was an error and he still supports decriminalization. It's not part of his platform, though.

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JosephSchmo Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:07 PM
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95. I wish ...
but unfortunately he is opposed to it. I don't know why, he said he tried it himself and if he wants to really help the black community a good place to start would be to decriminalize pot (and all drugs) which disproportionately ensare black men.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:54 PM
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71. I don't even smoke dope, but I'm in favor of that.
Redstone
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:56 PM
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72. It's already a huge part of the American economy.
Whatever your take on weed, there is no denying its established importance in various local economies, both now and historically. Keeping it illegal simply gives the lion's share of the related money to the non-taxable black market first, before it finds its way into the legitimate economy. Though legalization would greatly reduce its value, much of that lost profit could be recouped as taxes without too many complaint - giving current consumers an apparent discount and freedom from the looming threat of the exaggerated criminal consequences we have today.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:39 PM
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87. It's the number one cash crop in America. See post #79.
I've found that fact really freaks out the squares.

They just can't believe it, but it's true.
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:56 PM
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73. I would be out in my car faster than you could blink a fucking eye.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:02 PM
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74. I'd grow my own
Like almost anything, home grown always tastes better.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:04 PM
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75. No, but it'd do two things which some powerful people don't want to happen...
- cut into alcohol's market share

- lead to people thinking maybe we could make paper from hemp, instead of trees
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:56 PM
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91. Not only that investing in underground dope operations yields
profits that aren't taxed. Some of these rings are very well organized and have perfectly respectable type investors involved. There are people who would like to see prohibition come back because there's more money and no taxes in it than having liquor be legal.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:05 PM
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92. Very good point...
I forgot to include

- those who are making TONS of tax-free money (literally) because it's illegal
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:06 PM
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76. I'd much rather grow my own.
As soon as corporate America gets the right to grow and sell marijuana, it will be filled with all kinds of chemicals and pesticides. Not to say, I wouldn't applaud the legalization. Oh, and forget smoking. Vaporize....much less damaging to the lungs.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:09 PM
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77. Fine with me. The war on drugs is stupid and counterproductive.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:16 PM
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81. Damn right I would.
A harmless herb that makes you feel relaxed.

Never understood why it's illegal.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:43 PM
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88. I would consider
moving back to the USA.

But I would just grow my own after a while.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:53 PM
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90. That would be too sensible and it makes you wonder why
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 06:54 PM by Cleita
we don't. Is it possible that the same rich people who don't want us to legalize sex workers and other marginal activities have underground economies in trafficking dope as well?

I have known of perfectly legitimate business people with respectable fronts who were also involved in underground racketeering type investments. They didn't participate but invested as the money they earned was tax free.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:53 PM
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96. That would be the road we didn't go down in the 70s.
Along with the rest of the greening of america that we abandoned. Too bad.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:33 PM
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98. It's never too late to start in that direction. - n/t
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:32 PM
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97. No drug should be illegal
the war on drugs is hypocrisy at its worst.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:34 PM
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99. I still don't understand why Big Pharma does not advocate this
There is so much $$ to be made

Think of it. MJ and Cocaine sell without advertising. LIke hotcakes. It's amazing the capitalists have not gotten it legalized so they could sell it.

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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:38 PM
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101. Ratings would shoot up for Cartoon Network and Comedy Central
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:22 PM
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102. After 500th pack a free vaporizer... Drool...
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:32 PM
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103. They could pay off the national debt
...and everybody would be too fucking stoned to go to war.

Pass me that J when you're done with it, and don't Bogart it!
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:08 PM
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104. Then
it would be grown by underpaid immigrants, filled with toxic chemicals, and people would be killed over it. You know, just like all the other legal crops.
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