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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:05 PM
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Holloway case: full confession on television
Source: RNW

De Vries took his viewers to Aruba where, on 30 May 2005, US teenager Natalee Holloway was celebrating the final night of her high school graduation trip to the island. She met a 17-year-old Dutch student, Joran van der Sloot, in the casino of her hotel. He and his friends drove her to a beach late at night. The friends said goodbye, Joran van der Sloot spent some time with her. Natalee Holloway vanished, never seen again.

That, in a nutshell, was the official story, one that Dutch viewers, and certainly the Justice authorities on Aruba, were familiar with. But Peter R. de Vries had managed to obtain a full confession from the main suspect. He had a Range Rover rigged with several hidden cameras and instructed the driver, a Caribbean-born entrepreneur who had befriended Van der Sloot six months before, to ask the student some pointed questions.

"Didn't tick anymore"
The video footage shows Joran van der Sloot smoking hashish and telling his friend on several occasions the details of what happened on that fateful night on Aruba two and a half years ago. He describes how he had sex with the young American woman, that all of a sudden "she started shaking and didn't tick anymore", how he phoned an friend who owned a boat, who then came over to the beach to help him to dispose of the body at sea.

Again, most Dutch viewers had already heard that part too. It was leaked to the press on Friday and Joran van der Sloot was quick to respond. Speaking by telephone on a late-evening talk show on Friday, Van der Sloot said he was retrospectively kicking himself for having said all this: "It's so dumb, so dumb. It's really dumb. I said something; something I shouldn't have said." However, he also added that "It is also easy to prove that what I said is not true," although he appeared not to know how this could be done.



Read more: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/080203-holloway-confession-TV
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:15 PM
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1. oh great, a distraction for major news in this country now ...
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:55 PM
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6. There is news beyond election.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:00 PM
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7. a distraction from the Super Bowl?
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:54 PM
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2. That kid is a POS.
"I told my friend 'I have a problem'. I moved her to a mangrove-bush... I was shaking that bitch, nearly cried - why did this shit happen to me?"


And his father's a judge? Jesus. Remember in the beginning when they first held this kid, supposedly his father kept telling him that without a body they have no case? Makes me sick that he's been out enjoying his life so far. And may continue to, since they say that he can't be prosecuted without a body anyway.

If you ask me the kid's a self-absorbed pompous dork anyway:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/page2/
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:10 PM
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3. Another beautiful young woman who made bad choices. I'm
certain her body will never be found.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:37 PM
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10. And this kind of senior high school "trip" has to end.
Let the kids go to Washington DC or something, not Carlos 'n Charlies.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:13 PM
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18. Exactly. And where were the chaperones??
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 09:14 PM by WinkyDink
As a h.s. teacher, I took student groups to England/Europe (scheduled tours). I cannot conceive of not being sued at the very least for a tragedy of this kind under my watch.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:08 AM
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23. Drunk, most likely.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:15 PM
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4. I wonder if the father was involved in hiding the body.
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:25 PM
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5. We don't think so.
On the other hand, Joran has lied about so many things now, it wouldn't surprise me either.

The only counter-argument I ever heard was that Papa Van der Sloot was busy uncovering an American drug kartel. To silence him, they (the drugdealers) went through his son. I guess that's off the track now, as well.

Ratings were huge in Holland too, probably THE most watched show of the year on all channels (that is, all 10 of them;))
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 10:49 PM
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8. Don't you think they could just dump her body in the ocean
and the sharks would remove all the evidence.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:21 PM
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9. Who is this "friend" with the boat who took care of everything?
It sounds like it could be his father.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:56 PM
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14. POS he may be...

...but prosecuted for what, other than interfering with the investigation and failing to report a death.

Alcohol poisoning is not uncommon, and I'm trying to find in any of this some sort of "confession" that he killed her.

That doesn't make him any less of a POS, but I'm trying to figure out where there is a homicide here.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:07 PM
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16. One can be prosecuted without a body....

...however, one can't be convicted if not shown to have killed someone.

Even from what he said, he's not going to win any humanitarian awards, but it sounds like she died from alcohol poisoning.

I don't see where his statement amounts to a "confession" that he killed anyone.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:51 PM
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20. If it was alcohol poisoning, he would've reported the body. He most likely slipped her a date rape
drug, or something even stronger, which killed her.

This kid's dad is a judge. If this were a simple case of a girl dying of alcohol, that would've been his story ALL ALONG. He never would have disposed of the body. He never would have lied about his contact with her.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:05 AM
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21. People panic
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 09:07 AM by jberryhill
He does say there was something stronger involved - cocaine.

What any particular person is going to do in that situation doesn't depend on father's occupation. So what if his father is a judge. The Bush twins' father is president, and they still engaged in illegal behavior involving alcohol.

In his candid retelling of the story which is being called a "confession", did he mention this drug?

Thousands of teens die each year from alcohol poisoning. They go on these trips to places where they can drink and they binge. A good number of them then drop dead.

You don't suppose that the drinking and cocaine, which he DOES mention, had anything to do with her having a seizure?

Thinking that he's going to call the police and say, "I was drinking, doing coke, and having sex with this girl I don't know and she died" might just not have seemed like the convenient thing for him to do. And, please, don't accuse me of defending this guy, but behaving irresponsibly does not mean murder in every instance.

Kids run off to Cancun every spring break and drop dead from alcohol. IMHO the other kids that were on this trip are being as tight-lipped about what went on as Van Der Snot is.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:07 AM
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22. Should "disappear" and wake up in the lobby of an Alabama police station, imo.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 09:09 AM by BadgerLaw2010
Sack of garbage.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:00 AM
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11. This thread started in LBN
and it got moved to GD-P! :rofl:
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:36 AM
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12. Seems like something the corporate media would do! nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 03:32 PM
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13. He was under the influence of hashish?
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 03:32 PM by rocknation
Who knew it could elicit confessions? And to think that Bush wasted all that time on waterboarding.

:eyes:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:00 PM
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15. Stoners cannot tell a lie.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:09 PM
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17. This is from two f'n years ago and they are covering it?

This has to be a joke.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:17 PM
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19. here's what i don't get-why is the media letting any of this out at all, shouldn't all
of this just be given to the police and the lawyers?
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