The war will continue, no matter who is elected...

[glowing]

My in-law family have members in the military.. My cousin-in-law got back from Iraq with her husband in Novemvber.. They will be stationed in Hawaii for one year, and they have their orders to return one year from the day they left.. So next November, her and her husband will be back in Iraq for another tour of duty... No matter who is elected at this point, the war is still on. They are not getting out!!!!

[truedelphi]

1. Thank you for really bringing that point home.

You wanna know how that war will end?

Obama, if elected, should have to agree to throw Michelle and the kids in an average neighborhood outside the Green Zone.

ANd Hillary if elected, should have to have Chelsea there.

I know what I am saying is beyond the realm of possibility - both individuals would demand so much security that it would be a huge money drain.

ANd it would cause that whole neighborhood to be in even more jeapordy.

But still - it is so easy to say as someone running for President- the war will go on until 2013.

[Bonobo]

2. I refuse to believe that. It's madness.

Civilians still control the military, do they not?

A Democratic President, A Democratic Congress and Senate.

Over 4,000 deaths, 30,000 serious wounds. One trillion dollars and counting.

How could they stop us from ending it?

[lvx35]

6. Oh yeah:

the pentagon is nice and busy protecting us from "enemy weapons systems":
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7980
something tells me civilian interests are far down the list.

[Bonobo]

9. Fuck man. That is some deeply, deeply evil shit.

Fuck. Please let us stop those fucking people....

[lvx35]

11. I hope we can. I really do.

But in the context of the cut Internet cables connecting the ME to the rest of the world, our alarm bells should be ringing...but we're awfully distracted around here these days.

[mikelewis]

10. When the Democratic Congress took control in 2006, there was a clear and overwhelming mandate to...

...end the war in Iraq. And what did our Democrats do? Did they end the war? No, they doubled the size and scope of the war with Bush's "Surge". Not only that but they dumped even more money into the war than even the Republicans could have hoped to achieve... They didn't end the war, they upped the ante...

Included in that mandate was a directive to end this Presidents abuse of power... warrant-less wire-taps, domestic spying, infiltration of activist groups, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, Gitmo, and the list goes on and on... did they reign in this Administration? No, they authorized and legitimized his evil deeds and nefarious plots... shameful, shameful, shameful is our Democratic Congress... at least under the Republican Congress there was no betrayal, we knew they hated us and we expected the worse outcome... there's something evil in betraying those who have placed their faith in you...

Finally, included in that mandate was a clear demand that called these distinguished ladies and gentlemen, our so-called leaders... there was implicit in the order that they return and rely once again in this Constitution of ours... When Nancy Pelosi walked into that chamber and declared impeachment was "off the table"... she may have well said the entire Constitution is off the table... Impeachment is never "off the table" unless it is removed from our Constitution through the amendment process... she has neither the authority nor the right to act so cavalier with our laws.

So no, I would not be surprised one wit to find our savior President turned out to be another anti-Christ... be they man or woman. Democrat or Republican, they have no interest in fixing what's wrong with America, not our political system... the politicians mission is not to deliver the "Freedom Agenda" to this country, their job is to sell the "Corporate Agenda" to the American people in a way that keeps them complacent and docile. That's the job of our current Democratic Congress, to sell us things we would never buy from Republicans... they scoop out huge bowls full of shit and stand back in amazement that we aren't satisfied or satiated. No, a Democratic President is not guaranteed to end the war... in fact, if history is any guide, we may very well find ourselves fighting an even bigger and bloodier battle than we could even imagine. Remember, Nixon ran on a platform that was determined to end the war in Vietnam... his secret plan to end the war led to over 200,000 deaths and countless billions in profits. If history is any guide, things are going to get a whole lot worse before they even start to get better.

[blues90]

20. It's the better of two evils .

I don't feel an election or new president will end this occupation either . It's not in the best interest of big business and this is what drives the government .

[MrSlayer]

13. You're assuming that Democrats want to end it.

Unfortunately, the same monied interests that have a hold on the Republican party also have a hold on the Democratic party. Without someone ardently opposed to the war and dedicated to a pullout in line for the job the war will continue. Obama most likely will not end it and Hillary certainly will not. We're never leaving Iraq, McCain is the only one telling the truth about the situation.

[glowing]

15. You are correct.. the only chances we have had to get on out areq

slowly dissapating.. Its going to take some ground work to remove the incumbants in congress and replace them with people who will listen to us and get us out.

[frazzled]

3. With that kind of cynicism, the following would never have happened:

-- we never would have thrown off the yoke of British tyranny and declared our independence as a nation

-- we never would have ended the institution of slavery that divided the country

-- women would never have achieved the vote

-- we would not have defeated Hitler and the axis nations

-- we would not have budged the ways of Jim Crow in the South

Obama is exactly right: everything we have done in this country is because someone believed in it, and hoped. You have to hope first and then do the hard work to achieve it.

We will get out of this war, just as we got out of Vietnam. And we will rebuild the military into a great institution again, and restore our international dignity. But not thanks to this kind of pessimism.

[fenriswolf]

5. In this generation of civilian idolatry and of ineptitude

Our citizens for the majority don't care about the democratic process or care enough to vote but not study the issues, the pros and cons and the outcomes. Hopefully you are right and Obama can instill the patriotic duty for every citizen to take ahold of the steering wheel and to turn this country into the right direction. This country needs a wake up call. This populace has been relaxed for far to long. We need a wake up call NOW. Hopefully Obama is the one to do it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I am way too cynical to beleive that any more

what it will take is a draft, or any other MAJOR inconvenience to their lifestyle. I mean man there is Idol tonight, and my pod has the latest tunes, and politics is boring and who cares anyway?

:-(

[glowing]

14. It sounds all well and good to have optimism and no way in hell am

I giving up on the fight... BUT.. her and her husband had their orders to return before even leaving Iraq.. There was no doubt in their minds that they are going back.. and that the war is no way over and is not going to happen.. Even now the war has been replaced by the ecomony. Oout of site out of mind.. How many news stories have you seen lately on the war?

[blues90]

19. Did we not have hope in 2006 when we voted to end this occupation ?

No offense but Obama did not invent hope . People had hope many times over but then there is the reality we have to face and this is this war was a lie and yet it continues on . I'm certain every single person who has a family member or friend in the ME has all the hope they will return in one piece however many have not .

I am not saying hope is a bad thing but it is not an action in itself , it is a word .

Many years ago yes things changed but it was through the people who forced the change and many lost their lifes trying ,civilian people are not so willing today to risk their life to change things these days .

I just don't thing people are aware that hope has never left and it is not something new .

[NinaBr]

4. Results of continued war...

What if we do end up with another war-hungry republican like McCain? Would Americans opt to move to Canada in order to avoid his proposed “100 Years War?” I heard Canada was ramping up its immigration centers in expectation of another wave of “Blue Staters” in the event of a Republican victory: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp
In the independent film “Blue State,” the protagonist does exactly that. He decides to flee the United States after another republican victory in 2004, due to strong liberal ideals: www.bluestatemovie.com

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. You are right, the Empire will continue until the logic of empire cannot be sustainted

and tell your family members to keep their head low... and scoffield Barracks ain't such a bad place to be

[earth mom]

16. Please tell that to the Obama & Hillary crowd. They think one of them will save the country

from the rethuglicans.

Trouble is both Hillary & Obama are really rethuglicans too and they will stay in Iraq for as long as their corporate masters tell them to.

:puke:

[Disturbed]

17. There is no War in Iraq. There is an Occupation.

There is a War in Afghanistan that will continue & so will the US Occupation of Iraq.

[earth mom]

18. How about: Hillary & Obama will continue the killing in Iraq.

:puke:

[madokie]

21. trouble is none of what you're saying is conclusive evidence of our still being there

orders get changed all the time, don't believe me ask anyone who has spent any time in the service and they'll probably agree with me.

[glowing]

22. It would be great, if it happened.. but there isn't enough incentive

for the monied ponies, to pull out

[raccoon]

23. You got that right. The Vietnam War continued for years after many Americans were sick of it. nt