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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 PM Original message |
CSPAN2--Jay Rockefeller Stabbing Us In The Back On Immunity |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. Nobody's being stabbed. This is a political deal n/t |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Well, if it's a deal FOR BushCo and telecoms against the American people, I'd say |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. The telcos acted in good faith. We'll see about political remedies later |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Qwest knew the wiretapping program was illegal, and wouldn't cooperate--so, no. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. No, one company's refusal does not change the legality of the others n/t |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Qwest was approached about the wiretapping in February 2001-- |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. A reasonable man standard will apply and I'm afraid the verdict is |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I think it's written in stone, I don't doubt that. But I WILL protest, because |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You've got Democratic Party oversight and still complain? Fuggetaboutit |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Huh? Jay is not working for the Democratic party here--his oversight |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Well, whatever he is, he's doing it in the well of the Senate, so I can |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Sorry, I don't respect "good Germans"--especially when they make a profit on their actions. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. There you go again ... y'know, if I don't slur Germans, why should you? n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. If they got written assurance that will hold up - they wouldn't need immunity |
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Sam Ervin jret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. an excellent point. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Nacchio and Qwest: Another Political Prosecution? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. It was illegal |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. If it's a polical deal |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. The courts would have dismissed on technical grounds ... the gov't |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I read some of your other rubuttals |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. I feel like a porcupine already |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. JayJay--poor telecoms are being victimized by DEMOCRATS, who are SUSPICIOUS |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. JayJay--the lawsuits filed against telecoms seek BILLIONS in damages |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Jay sez: Corporations won't cooperate in the future, or will have to cooperate at their own peril-- |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-WV) Top Contributor = AT&T Inc $37,600 |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Oh cut it out ... the telcos acted in good faith. Leave my carrier alone |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Are you being serious here? I can't tell if you're kidding or not. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Serious enough to listen to the Senator. Did you? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Jay is on the take--he's corrupt. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. See anyone standing in opposition? You mean the entire committee |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Yes, possibly. There were only two who opposed the immunity deal. They are protecting somebody |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Well, Senator Whitehouse is presenting a compromise ... a simple |
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mrbluto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Wow - I see the tactics now! |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. mrbluto |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. If they didn't break the law, why are they begging for immunity from it? |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. There's no flaw. The telcos can't produce what they've been given |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. holly shit-this is domestic spying and you somehow brush it off-wtf is your problem |
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mrbluto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. natrat - Check out post #44 |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. ROFL |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. he's a millionaire too. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
14. Our backs are so full of stab wounds that there is no space for |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
25. Those poor telecoms corporations. |
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jeanruss (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. habeas corpus |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Jay also knows more than he let on about the destruction of the CIA torture tapes. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. They are going to vote on the "sunset" amendment by Cardin, I believe. |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. I have that |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
38. I've literally been stabbed nine times, you know, with a knife, and I don't |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
39. Senate Votes on First Surveillance Bill Amendment |
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Sam Ervin jret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
49. I thought the republicans LOVED LAW and ORDER? Why are they afraid of giving their friends at |
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