Chris Dodd is tearing up the Senate floor

[malaise]

on CSpan 2. This is brilliant.
He's saying why he does not trust any one man. He's tearing Bushco a new one.

Sp

[hyphenate]

1. Dodd, perhaps?

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Doss.

[Hart2008]

96. Doss, the original Microsoft operating system before Windows! n/t

[annabanana]

2. "Waterboarding, when done right, is controlled death"

dear God

[xultar]

3. Wow. Now, let's all rip Dodd for pandering for votes.

[Vadem]

4. Dodd is doing great!!! He is bashing Mukasey now about ...

waterboarding!

Go Chris!!!!!

Votes tomorrow on the Fisa bill!

[annabanana]

5. This is horrifying. What is being done in our name?

[annabanana]

6. feel free to use washington euphemism... the facts will still be waiting for you

[malaise]

8. And these criminals dare to go to the Congress

and say 'trust me'.

This speech should be carried live on all stations.

[wildbilln864]

7. k&r damnit!

where are the other recs? :banghead:

[malaise]

10. Does this president serve the law

or does the law serve this president.

Damn this is good - executive lawlessness.

Chris Dodd :yourock:

Did the Telecoms break the law?

[radfringe]

94. can't find the exact quote

but didn't cheney say something to the effect of 'whatever the president does is legal'?

[scarletwoman]

11. I just rec'd -- but I think it might help if the OP fixed the spelling in the subject line. (nt)

[malaise]

14. Thanks

:D

[scarletwoman]

21. Whew! Sorry, I made another post about it in case you didn't see this one.

Glad you noticed!

:loveya:
sw

[malaise]

Thanks

:D

[annabanana]

9. Does the President serve the Law? Or does the Law serve the President?

[wildbilln864]

12. the latter evidently! nt

[Junkdrawer]

13. MUST WATCH TV....

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[Junkdrawer]

35. If the MSM would cover it, this is a "At long last, have you no shame?" moment...

But, of course, they won't cover it...

[scarletwoman]

15. malaise! Look at your subject line! You typed two "esses" instead of two "dees"!

You still have plenty of time to edit!

k&r
sw

[malaise]

16. I corrected it

Thanks.

[scarletwoman]

23. Sorry about the overkill, you were probably correcting it while I typed that post.

I was just unsure that you'd see my other post -- I should have just given you half a minute. Duh!

:blush:
sw

on edit -- at least it gives me a chance to kick up this thread, eh?

[malaise]

26. Like you I hate

spelling errors. Don't know how I missed it. :D

[scarletwoman]

30. Heck, the "s" key is right next to the "d" key. It's TOTALLY easy to hit the wrong one when you're

trying to type fast!

:hug:

[malaise]

31. Back at you

:grouphug:

[marmar]

17. That there even needs to be a debate on this.......

.... is a sad statement on the sorry state of America.

:argh:

[malaise]

18. I wish KO was carrying this instead

of the fugging primaries.

[marmar]

22. I know....I haven't watched Countdown a lot lately because I'm so sick of the horserace BS.

n/t

[librechik]

25. yep--watching this instead--But he should slow down!

Dodd is talking so fast I can hardly understand him. He needs a more measured tone.

[malaise]

27. I am hearing every word

Go Chris Dodd!! Let them have it!

[jannyk]

19. Tactics of totalitarian regimes - go Doddy!

[MiniMe]

20. Listening now. Go Dodd!!

[slipslidingaway]

24. YES K&R n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

28. Go, Dodd! n/t

[eridani]

29. Dodd for Majority Leader!!! n/t

[Divine Discontent]

32. K&R n/t

[malaise]

33. They wanted to immunize themselves

Go Dodd!

[jannyk]

34. Malaise - thx so much - I'd have missed it and this is powerful stuff!

[malaise]

36. You're welcome

This is powerful. The Senate better not let Bush get away with this criminality.

[mirrera]

37. is anyone helping? Is he alone???

I want to contact him and say thank you!!!

[malaise]

39. Leahy is voting with him tomorrow

He has some backing.

This is his best speech ever.

[seemslikeadream]

38. ********CHRIS DODD***************

[Junkdrawer]

40. Tell me someone is taping this...n/t

[seemslikeadream]

41. CHRIS DODD i and i go set them on fire, CATCH THEM VAMPIRES!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikDmb7Er0s

Obediah Obediah
jah jah sent us here to catch vampire
Obediah Obediah
jah jah sent us here to catch vampire
We have the chalice to lite up jah fire
When I am nigh catch them vampire
i and i go set them on fire

i-man troddin' down the unity lane
See a deadlocks runnin' down a rasta man
Swear that if he catch him he will kill him dead
The deadlocks couldn't catch the rasta man

Obediah Obediah
jah jah sent us here to catch vampire
Obediah Obediah
jah jah sent us here to catch vampire
We have the chalice to lite up jah fire
When I am nigh catch them vampire
i and i go set them on fire

A true rasta man
No go shop no bin shop
A true rastaman
Does not gamble
A true rastaman
Does not play card pack
A true rastaman
Always humble

Obediah Obediah
Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampire
Obediah Obediah
Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampire
We have the chalice to lite up jah fire
When i am nigh catch them vampire
i and i go set them on fire

A true rastaman
No firing they a gun
A true rastaman
No throwin they a bomb
A true rastaman
E no drink the rum
A true rastaman
Does not gamble

Obediah Obediah
jah jah sent us here to catch vampire
Obediah Obediah
jah jah sent us here to catch vampire
We have the chalice to lite up jah fire
When I am nigh catch them vampire
i and i go set them on fire

Babylon a man they sing
And they blame it on the rastaman
Babylon a man they sing
They blame it on the rastaman
Obahiah Obadiah
Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampire



Obediah Obediah
Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampire
Obediah Obediah
Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampire
We have the chalice to lite up jah fire
When i am nigh catch them vampire
i and i go set them on fire


Babylon a man they sing
And they blame it on the rastaman
Babylon a man they sing
They blame it on the rastaman
Obahiah Obadiah
Jah Jah sent us here to catch vampire

[malaise]

43. LOL

Now for the arguments. Go Chris Dodd!! I know his father is smiling. :D

[dchill]

42. Yeah, but what about steroids in baseball? n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

44. "This is as important, as basic, as FUNDAMENTAL as anything we do!"

Whhooooeee. Tell em Senator! :bounce:

[spanone]

45. a-freaking-men

r

[jannyk]

46. Bush Stiffed the Telecoms? BwaHaHa

[malaise]

47. Love your signature

Molly would love this.

[annabanana]

48. This is what I call a Hero.

This is a Man of the Republic.

[malaise]

50. It's even more effective because he rarely speaks

and he sure did his homework. Go Chris Dodd!

[Pastiche423]

49. Wow ~ CHRIS DODD ~ Wow!

I've been sitting here for over an hour, w/my speakers blaring, listening to this great senator.

Has he done his homework, or what?

[malaise]

51. We both wrote that at 9.00pm

:D

[Pastiche423]

54. No, we both wrote that at 6:00pm

It's still a jinx!

[seemslikeadream]

52. Former Technician 'Turning In' AT&T Over NSA Program

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700006_pf.html

A Story of Surveillance
Former Technician 'Turning In' AT&T Over NSA Program

By Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 7, 2007; D01



His first inkling that something was amiss came in summer 2002 when he opened the door to admit a visitor from the National Security Agency to an office of AT&T in San Francisco.

"What the heck is the NSA doing here?" Mark Klein, a former AT&T technician, said he asked himself.

A year or so later, he stumbled upon documents that, he said, nearly caused him to fall out of his chair. The documents, he said, show that the NSA gained access to massive amounts of e-mail and search and other Internet records of more than a dozen global and regional telecommunications providers. AT&T allowed the agency to hook into its network at a facility in San Francisco and, according to Klein, many of the other telecom companies probably knew nothing about it.

Klein is in Washington this week to share his story in the hope that it will persuade lawmakers not to grant legal immunity to telecommunications firms that helped the government in its anti-terrorism efforts.

The plain-spoken, bespectacled Klein, 62, said he may be the only person in the country in a position to discuss firsthand knowledge of an important aspect of the Bush administration's domestic surveillance program. He is retired, so he isn't worried about losing his job. He did not have security clearance, and the documents in his possession were not classified, he said. He has no qualms about "turning in," as he put it, the company where he worked for 22 years until he retired in 2004.

"If they've done something massively illegal and unconstitutional -- well, they should suffer the consequences," Klein said. "It's not my place to feel bad for them. They made their bed, they have to lie in it. The ones who did , you can be sure, are high up in the company. Not the average Joes, who I enjoyed working with."

In an interview yesterday, he alleged that the NSA set up a system that vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the cooperation of AT&T . Contrary to the government's depiction of its surveillance program as aimed at overseas terrorists, Klein said, much of the data sent through AT&T to the NSA was purely domestic. Klein said he believes that the NSA was analyzing the records for usage patterns as well as for content.

He said the NSA built a special room to receive data streamed through an AT&T Internet room containing "peering links," or major connections to other telecom providers. The largest of the links delivered 2.5 gigabits of data -- the equivalent of one-quarter of the Encyclopedia Britannica's text -- per second, said Klein, whose documents and eyewitness account form the basis of one of the first lawsuits filed against the telecom giants after the government's warrantless-surveillance program was reported in the New York Times in December 2005.

Claudia Jones, an AT&T spokeswoman, said she had no comment on Klein's allegations. "AT&T is fully committed to protecting our customers' privacy. We do not comment on matters of national security," she said.

The NSA and the White House also declined comment on Klein's allegations.

Klein is urging Congress not to block Hepting v. AT&T, a class-action suit pending in federal court in San Francisco, as well as 37 other lawsuits charging carriers with illegally collaborating with the NSA. He was accompanied yesterday by lawyers for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed Hepting v. AT&T in 2006. Together, they are urging key U.S. senators to oppose a pending White House-endorsed immunity provision that would effectively wipe out the lawsuits. The Judiciary Committee is expected to take up the measure Thursday.

In summer 2002, Klein was working in an office responsible for Internet equipment when an NSA representative arrived to interview a management-level technician for a special job whose details were secret.

"That's when my antennas started to go up," he said. He knew that the NSA was supposed to work on overseas signals intelligence.

The job entailed building a "secret room" in an AT&T office 10 blocks away, he said. By coincidence, in October 2003, Klein was transferred to that office and assigned to the Internet room. He asked a technician there about the secret room on the 6th floor, and the technician told him it was connected to the Internet room a floor above. The technician, who was about to retire, handed him some wiring diagrams.

"That was my 'aha!' moment," Klein said. "They're sending the entire Internet to the secret room."

The diagram showed splitters, glass prisms that split signals from each network into two identical copies. One fed into the secret room, the other proceeded to its destination, he said.

"This splitter was sweeping up everything, vacuum-cleaner-style," he said. "The NSA is getting everything. These are major pipes that carry not just AT&T's customers but everybody's."

One of Klein's documents listed links to 16 entities, including Global Crossing, a large provider of voice and data services in the United States and abroad; UUNet, a large Internet provider in Northern Virginia now owned by Verizon; Level 3 Communications, which provides local, long-distance and data transmission in the United States and overseas; and more familiar names such as Sprint and Qwest. It also included data exchanges MAE-West and PAIX, or Palo Alto Internet Exchange, facilities where telecom carriers hand off Internet traffic to each other.

"I flipped out," he said. "They're copying the whole Internet. There's no selection going on here. Maybe they select out later, but at the point of handoff to the government, they get everything."

Qwest has not been sued because of media reports last year that said the company declined to participate in an NSA program to build a database of domestic phone-call records out of concern about its legality. What the documents show, Klein contends, is that the NSA apparently was collecting several carriers' communications, probably without their consent.

Another document showed that the NSA installed in the room a semantic traffic analyzer made by Narus, which Klein said indicated that the NSA was doing content analysis.

Steve Bannerman, Narus's marketing vice president, said in an interview that the NarusInsight system is "the world's most powerful Internet traffic processing engine." He said it is used to detect worms, as well as to capture information to help authorities stop criminal activity. He said it can track a communication's origin and destination, as well as its content. He declined to comment on AT&T's use of the system.

Klein said he decided to go public after President Bush defended the NSA's surveillance program as limited to collecting phone calls between suspected terrorists overseas and people in the United States. Klein said the documents show that the scope was much broader.

Klein was last in Washington in 1969, to take part in an antiwar protest. Now, he said with a chuckle, he's here in a gray suit as a lobbyist

[malaise]

53. Klein is a hero

We owe him big time.

[Pastiche423]

57. Mark Klein video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=68900

[malaise]

58. Thanks

Will watch later. :D

[annabanana]

55. He is taking us right through the weeds on this one... right down

to the ground. Good for him.

[seemslikeadream]

56. Black text is the redacted (shown by xxxxx) declaration by Mark Klein published in court records on

Black text is the redacted (shown by xxxxx) declaration by Mark Klein published in court records on May 25, 2006:

http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/KleinDecl-Redact.pdf

Text in green from Mark Klein statement published in Wired, May 22, 2006:
http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/att_klein_wired.pdf


http://cryptome.org/klein-decl.htm

[slipslidingaway]

59. FISA, Telecom Immunity, Senator Rockefeller, Third Way

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013108J.shtml

"...Third Way, a non-profit "progressive" think tank that is funded and controlled by hedge fund managers, corporate lawyers and business executives has advised Sen. Jay Rockefeller on a domestic surveillance bill that includes immunity for telecommunications companies with which Third Way board members have close ties.

Rockefeller is the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and has been the leading Democratic proponent of granting immunity to telecommunication companies that allegedly gave spy agencies access to their communication networks and databases without a warrant.

"We have advised Senator Rockefeller on messaging and have talked to his staff regarding FISA," Matt Bennett, vice president of Third Way said. "We believe there should be immunity and have been cooperating with ..."

[annabanana]

60. "Immunity closes the case, without discussion."

[Junkdrawer]

61. He just basically PROVED that Bush spied on EVERYONE and LIED...

about it to boot.

But I don't see an impeachable offense here. Nope. Don't see it.

[malaise]

64. Isn't that the truth

Bush should be in chains

[annabanana]

62. 60 years ago. "They stayed the hand of vengeance"

[Robbien]

63. Dodd's Contact numbers Tel: [phone] | Fax: [phone]

Send him your love.

[malaise]

66. Good idea

He deserves more than mere thanks.

[slipslidingaway]

85. Thank you for making it easy, I left a message of thanks for him n/t

[annabanana]

65. "It is a dark hour when we walk away from the Rule of Law"

[annabanana]

67. "Mukasian logic" - "because we say so"

[gateley]

68. I'm embarrassed to ask this, but I just have to --

Is it possible he's filibustering NOW? Now he's on waterboarding - what does that have to do with FISA?

It's coming up on TWO HOURS he's been arguing. Does that make sense?

[malaise]

69. The vote is tomorrow according to Reid

He's just entering this into the record. I'm lovin it.

[gateley]

71. His floor statement from earlier today is on his website --

So that made it into the Record.

What's confusing me now, is that he's up again, covering what he did today, PLUS some!

Now he's talking about Afghanistan.

I'm getting a funny feeling about this.

Here's the link to his FISA statement.

http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/4263

[malaise]

74. Thanks

I can't watch tomorrow until after lunch so I'll try and follow then.

[gateley]

76. I've got this filibuster thing gnawing at me -- he's still going strong! I tried

to call his office in case somebody was there, but only got an answering machine.

I'm wondering if there's a CNN or MSNBC number I can call to ask someone there.

I posted a thread asking a senate scholar to let me know if it makes ANY sense that he could be filibustering now even though the vote is scheduled for tomorrow.

I know I'm off on a tangent - but this is reminding me of when he began the filibustering in December but Reid called a halt to it.

I'll have a good laugh at myself when I find out how wrong I am, but until then, I'm a woman with a mission to find out!

Where's that xanax.....

[Deny and Shred]

84. The Repubs could cloiture this vote tomorrow

[Junkdrawer]

70. You get the idea that, short of a miracle, the Senate will give immunity tommorrow....

I guess they can't delay the vote any longer...

[malaise]

72. I hope you're wrong

History will condemn them.

[Junkdrawer]

73. If I had a transcript, I could point to two or three times he intimated just that....

things like "but this Senate is poised to do just that (grant immunity)"...

Tomorrow is a flood the phones day...

[malaise]

75. Yep he did suggest that two or three times n/t

[annabanana]

77. He has been speaking for 2 hours & 25 mins.

[malaise]

78. And I've heard every word

Thank you Chris Dodd. Vote to strike this language from the FISA bill. Needs 38 senators (Feingold is voting wit him)to vote against cloture.

Brilliant Chris Dodd. It's now in their hands to decide whether history will condemn them.

[K Gardner]

81. I just called and left a message in his office, thanking him. I'm at work all

day tomorrow, but will check in here for status when I can. Hope its good news. His courage and grit should be rewarded by actual VOTES from his colleagues.

[Deny and Shred]

79. Where's this been for 6 years? Impressed with Chris Dodd who

just delivered among the most comprehensive, convincing and impassioned denuciations of Bush Administrtion hubris I've heard. He is just finishing speaking now, and has destroyed, point by point, each argument for retroactive immunity over the course of two hours.
I can't help but note the stark difference between listening to an intelligent Senator and our beloved (ha ha) President, who can't spit out two sentences when he's reading from a teleprompter.
Although long, this speech was on point, quoting Tom Dasche's blunt refusal to approve the authority that Gonzo granted Bush, and deliniating exactly why this country ought to let this decision be made by the courts. 3 co-equal branches, and Congress can't decide to forgo the courts any more than Dodd himself can call Bush's action unlawful, AND no more than Bush can say it is lawful. It is for a court to decide, even a crap-ass judge he appointed.
It's rare that I get a quality gut feeling anymore that justice can actually be done, but I got it tonight. I can't find the transcript yet, but if available tomorrow, I'll be glad to parse it for y'all in a General Discussion. That is if I can create one, I guess I'm still considered a newbie who can't be trusted with that sort of thing.

I doubt it's available at CSPAN now, but...

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp...

I've posted this elsewhere, but I realise those threads are several hours old.

[Ellipsis]

80. Hot Damn! That was an excellent moment in our history.

[malaise]

83. Indeed

His dad would have been proud of him and in the future when his girls grow up, they too will be proud.

That was the most scathing condemnation of the Bush administration that I've heard in the Senate - all two hours and 25 minutes of it.
Bravo Chris Dodd! :yourock:

[bdamomma]

82. I am going to call his office tomorrow during the day

and say how proud I am to have this man stand there and fight for us. He named each scandal too. :patriot:

[Oilwellian]

86. Our founding fathers...

would be pleased with Senator Dodd this evening. God love him.

[yewberry]

87. I just emailed my senators urging them to support Dodd

and to vote standing for our constitutional rights and values, and to vote against retroactive immunity for the telecoms and illegal surveillance.

[creeksneakers2]

88. K & R

Dodd is the best.

[Oilwellian]

89. Hello!

Long time no see!

[creeksneakers2]

95. Nice to see you

How did you know?

[RuleOfNah]

90. Wow. Dodd should run for President.

Oh, right, well, hopefully his inspirational action will be contagious...

[Alexander]

91. One of my home state Senators is great. The other one is a gutless, lying weasel.

To borrow a phrase from the late, great Hunter S. Thompson.

[malaise]

92. Clinton and Obama co-sponsoring the Dodd amendment?

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDk3MjE5MmQ2NmJjNTFjMjk4M2E3NDFlNjdmMTNiMjY=

<snip>
We're told that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are co-sponsoring the Dodd amendment, no doubt for political reasons as they compete for left-wing votes in their nomination fight. But they had better hope the effort fails, because as President they'd surely want the same telecom cooperation. Care to make this an issue, Senator McCain?

[annabanana]

93. If Hillary wants to "make nice" with the base.. she won't miss this vote!

[yellerpup]

97. I would have loved to vote for Dodd on Super Tuesday

He is brilliant and ethical. He's a great example/role model of a Democrat.

[Jennicut]

98. Dodd is my senator

I have always liked him but I was hoping Lamont would be there too.