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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:35 PM
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Bushco/Halliburton "ENDGAME"-Martial Law/Detention Camps/Railcars/Shackles
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 08:36 PM by kpete
Rule by fear or rule by law?
Lewis Seiler,Dan Hamburg

Monday, February 4, 2008

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."


- Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

................

What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens?

more at:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:47 PM
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1. Kicked to the Greatest
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:35 PM
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38. link of interest
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:53 PM
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2. Grrrecommended.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:54 PM
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3. Blackwater & Associates will help with the round-up.
They got lots of practice rounding up and detaining Americans during Hurricane Katrina.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:19 PM
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6. And they've got themselves an airfleet now! nt
:hi:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:25 PM
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59. Eric Prince is not a real prince.
The guy loves his job, though. Killing people and "securing" stuff.

It's a "Family" thing.



Thanks for the heads-up, wildbilln864! Great to read ya', my Friend!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:00 AM
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15. Iraq is the Boot Camp
to desensitize the operators in dealing with human cargo. Combine that with psychotropic drugs for both the detainer and detainee and it will all be a well oiled machine except for the few diehards that decide to go out ala Waco.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:16 AM
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16. What the new prisoner transport rail cars look like:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:30 PM
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27. Looks like an auto rack to me...


I used to actually BUILD rail cars for Trinity Industry's railcar division. Of course, that doesn't mean there haven't been some modifications made and I am a believer in Rex-84, but I'm just trying to remain objective about it.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 01:22 PM
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28. The emblem on the side of the car
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 01:27 PM by formercia




FEMA emblem? The color scheme on the roof is different as well.

Any train buffs good at IDing car ownership?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 03:36 PM
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33. How about this...
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/89/Atchison,_Topeka_and_Santa_Fe_Railway_Herald.jpg



But, like I said before. There's no reason to think this couldn't be modified to accomodate "a sudden influx of illegal aliens" ... or whatever.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:49 PM
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40. I'm with you
Who's to know what's really in the cars.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:36 PM
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50. Question:
Why would an auto-transport car need windows?
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Not Sure Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:06 PM
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54. Those aren't windows so much as they're vents
It gets awfully hot inside an autorack. The vents are a consideration for the people who load and unload autos into the racks, since they have to be driven individually into the racks. Autoracks used to be open on all sides, with only a framework to hold up the individual decks visible to the outside. Railroad and auto maker response to vandals was to enclose the racks fully. This type of rack, the Automax, is a recent design based on years of transporting new autos from manufacturing site to distribution facility. I'm not saying they couldn't be used for detaining or transporting people, but it hardly seems likely. To suggest they are purpose-built for anything other than transporting autos is ridiculous.

The herald shown above, was the inspiration for the actual logo on the Automax in the photo. Burlington Northern Santa Fe is the parent company of BNSF, the railroad created by the 1996 merger of Burlington Northern Railroad and Santa Fe Railway.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:18 PM
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56. Thanks. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:36 PM
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61. Isn't it reassuring that all that money invested in MK-ULTRA is coming back to help us now?
"The bottom line on this whole business has not yet been written." -- Dr. Sidney Gottlieb CIA Technical Services Staff director for the MK-ULTRA program

Of course it helps when the man who kept the secrets invested them well.

P.W. Singer, Corporate Warriors: The Rise of the Privatized Military Industry.(Brief Article)(Book Review)

Then there's the out-and-out gross corruption of certain parties "working" out of Iraq.

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Progressive_In_NC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:54 AM
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64. I don't think it will be US troops at all.....
My guess is their will be mercenaries and an "international force". We already have several thousand foreign troops moving around inside the US on various "joint operations" trips.

Who knows.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:54 AM
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21. Blackwater is Mark Penn's client:
Isn't it Time for Mark Penn to Leave Burson-Marsteller?
Posted November 12, 2007 | 11:18 AM (EST)


My colleague at The Nation, Ari Berman, has done more than any journalist to shine some light on how pollster-strategist Mark Penn, head honcho at PR giant Burson-Marsteller, and perhaps the most important figure in Hillary Clinton's campaign, poses a real dilemma for the candidate. Penn heads a firm that has represented everyone from union busters to big tobacco, and more recently Blackwater. (According to a Marsteller spokesperson, it was a subsidiary, BKSH & Associates, run by GOP operative Charlie Black, which helped Erik Prince prepare for congressional hearings after his employees killed civilians in Iraq).It would seem difficult to find a more controversial client than Blackwater but Penn's firm has just been retained by Spin Master.

Who is Spin Master? It turns out that Spin Master distributes Aqua Dots, a toy that was recalled last week because it contains a glue ingredient that when ingested is broken down by the body to make GHB, the "date rape" drug, which can cause unconsciousness and even death. (The Consumer Product Safety Commission says the number of children sickened by Aqua Dots has risen from two to nine in the past week.)

Penn has repeatedly stated that he has no direct contact with controversial clients like Blackwater or unionbusters. But what about the good old-fashioned American principles of responsibility and accountability -- principles which his candidate likes to invoke on the campaign trail? As Ari Berman has pointed out, the dilemma for Clinton is that Penn's firm represents many of the interests whose influence she has vowed to curtail. But as kids get sick from poisonous toys, how can Clinton keep in her corner, as her chief strategist, a man who has even limited involvement with a firm like Burson-Marsteller? Isn't it time that Clinton ask Penn to choose: my campaign to make this a safer country or a PR firm which has too many clients undermining that agenda?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katrina-vanden-heuvel/isnt-it-time-for-mark-pe_b_72206.html

Doesn't it bother folks that HRC chief strategist supports so many folks working against the best interests of the people?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:20 PM
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26. Look at all the lies Junior spouted during his campaign
and when he was elected, it was a totally different game.

Politicians say what they have to say to get elected. To see the real candidate, you have to study the undercurrents and inspect all of the players.

My agenda is your agenda is how it really works.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:24 PM
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65. There are more than a couple of confusing connections.
That's a must-read from The Nation regarding the slippery Mr. Penn. Somewhere, someone must be keeping track of all this.

Going back in time: Everybody who's anybody whose ever done anything big in Arkansas was said to have crossed paths with the late Jackson Stephens.



The guy was a philanthropist of the first rank, giving millions to medical schools and so forth. He also helped BCCI get acquainted with Bert Lance, as well as greased the political wheels for two Bushes and one Clinton.

http://www.lycos.com/info/jackson-stephens.html

Then there's the late Mrs. Harriman, widow to Averell Harriman, one-time business partner with Prescott Bush. She was a financial angel for a young Arkansas governor running for the Democratic nomination.

Pamela Harriman, the Woman who made Bill Clinton President

Most importantly: My Friend, mod mom, like you, I try not to bring these things up for the sake of argument, but for the sake of Democracy.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:01 PM
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4. That's right... i was deluded into thinking that there was actually going to be an election in Nov
Silly naive little me!

K & R - good post!
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:02 PM
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5. Wow, this made the mainstream.
K & R
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:22 PM
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7. It's quite simple...
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 09:23 PM by wildbilln864
This was preparation to protect themselves when the masses finally see what's really going on. Torture. Rendition. And that the Bush/PNAC cabal helped implement 911 in order to expand their empire. Not ours, theirs. IMHO.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:23 PM
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8. guess they better hurry up ....
they're running out of time.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:59 PM
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42. Oh, they're not worried. They can always declare
martial law, cancel the elections, and continue indefinitely.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:24 PM
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9. Thanks so much for posting this! k&r (nt)
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 09:39 PM
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10. Betcha we are on the list
You Freeper lurkers may end up in a concentration camp right beside us.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:45 PM
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53. THAT would be funny.
But it wouldn't last long - all those exploding heads, you know.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:22 PM
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11. Down in the dungeon (911 forum) this was known....
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 10:24 PM by catnhatnh
and laughed at for well over a year.....you know-tin foil stuff and crazy conspiracy nonsense....

On Edit: Gee, I wonder what else down there MIGHT be true????
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:42 PM
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12. yep! nt
:hi:
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 02:54 PM
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30. More than most people would ever be willing to accept. n/t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:48 PM
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13. K & R....
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:52 PM
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14. I could believe it....we have seen this pattern many times in History...some recent
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:22 AM
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17. kick and rec.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:05 AM
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18. K & R nt
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:35 AM
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19.  ENDGAME: Office of Detention and Strategic Removal Plan
ENDGAME: Office of Detention and Strategic Removal Plan


I would encourage as many people as possible to read and save this document.


Hello, Congress?? Is anyone home?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:21 AM
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20. this document seems to be entirely focused on immigration law
enforcement. The mention of "potential terrorists" is in a section describing various kinds of illegal aliens, and then there's a bunch of hoohah about how ICE should collaborate with other DHS groups in the "war on terror," by identifying those illegal aliens who are "potential terrorists" and handing them to another DHS group. By any read of this document, I cannot see where US citizens or legal residents are in danger of being rounded up on trains and hauled into ICE detention centers.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:41 PM
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51. First they came for the undocumented aliens...
The constitution is clear that if they are in US jurisdiction they are protected by the constitution.

If the government is willing to violate the constitution in dealing with them, what makes you think they will stop there?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:39 AM
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63. did you read the document?
Illegal aliens' constitutional rights appear to be respected - unless you consider being taken into administrative custody prior to deportation to be cruel and unusual punishment, which legally it is not. Of course illegal aliens do not enjoy "protection" against being taken into custody and deported for their violation of the law.

Extrapolating from this document some kind of insidious citizen round-up and detention plan is just not logical, poetic reference aside.

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:27 AM
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67. Did you see this story today in the Houston Chronicle?
Feds admit mistakenly jailing citizens as illegal immigrants

By MARISA TAYLOR
McClatchy-Tribune

February 14, 2008


WASHINGTON — A top Immigration and Customs Enforcement official acknowledged Wednesday that his agency has mistakenly detained U.S. citizens as illegal immigrants, but he denied that his agency has widespread problems with deporting the wrong people.
Gary Mead, ICE's deputy director of detention and removal operations, testified during a House of Representatives subcommittee hearing that U.S. citizens have been detained on "extremely" rare occasions, but he blamed the mix-ups on conflicting information from the detainees.
Nonetheless, Mead said his agency is reviewing its handling of people who claim to be U.S. citizens "to determine if even greater safeguards can be put in place."

The testimony before the House Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security and International Law came after immigration advocates told McClatchy that they'd seen a small but growing number of cases of U.S. citizens who've been mistakenly detained and sometimes deported by ICE. They accuse agents of ignoring valid assertions of citizenship in the rush to deport more illegal immigrants.

Unlike suspects charged in criminal courts, detainees accused of immigration violations don't have a right to an attorney, and three-quarters of them represent themselves.

Last month, Thomas Warziniack, a U.S. citizen who was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, was mistakenly detained for weeks in an Arizona immigration facility and told that he was going to be deported to Russia.
Warziniack, 40, was released after his family, who learned about his predicament from a McClatchy Newspapers reporter, produced his birth certificate.

In another high-profile example, ICE agents in California mistakenly deported Pedro Guzman, a mentally disabled U.S. citizen, to Mexico. Guzman was found months later when he tried to return to the United States.

.....

Although Mead said that Guzman is the only U.S. citizen he knows who's been deported erroneously, immigration lawyers have said they've found at least seven others. In the past four years, ICE agents have detained more than 1 million people.
House committee members also heard stories of ICE agents interrogating or detaining U.S. citizens in their homes, at their workplaces and on the street.

.....

Rep. Steven King, R-Iowa, the ranking minority member of the committee, described the cases as isolated and urged the agency not to be distracted from detaining and deporting illegal immigrants.
"ICE does not aim to harass and detain U.S. citizens," he said.
But Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., the chairwoman of the committee, said that after hearing such stories, she feared an "overzealous government is interrogating, detaining and deporting its own citizens."

.....



US citizens are stripped of their rights to an attorney when they are arrested and wrongfully deported because *mistakes were made* by ICE... these are the actions of totalitarianism.



So this critically important House subcommittee hearing happened yesterday, and what were we *treated to* by the media? Baseball hearings on the use of steroids.

It is absolutely maddening.


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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:12 PM
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22. This is pretty scary. n/t
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:14 PM
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23. self-delete. dupe. n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 12:15 PM by whereismyparty
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:18 PM
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24. This is why I've always hated the term "Homeland Security".
It's always had a Nazi feel to it, and now we have the reason why. :argh: :scared: :nuke:
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:04 PM
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44. Homeland
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 06:05 PM by bluesmail
replaced the term Fatherland in Nazi Germany (or the other way around)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:19 PM
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25. Quite correct. These fascist measures are about controlling us, spying on us, herding us
Our gravest threats are by those in America who want to curb the rights of Americans and make acceptance of autocratic rule from the top accepted. They want a government that can show up with armed, unidentified "soldiers" anywhere, at any time, and assert themselves with little or no explanation.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 02:52 PM
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29. Endgame, Final Solution...
The two terms are remarkably similar are they not?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:21 PM
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49. my first thought, too
And reading the executive summary I got a gut-level understanding of the term "banality of evil".
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:07 AM
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62. It's the same gang that came up with the Final Solution
Repackaged, renamed with updated technology. Instead of Gas Chambers, they will use microwave ovens.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:38 PM
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71. Endlösung n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 03:18 PM
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31. Guess what we've all been warning about around here ain't so tinfoil after all.
Time to put the hat on!

:tinfoilhat:
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 03:19 PM
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32. Do you mean like this ?


Interesting and dont want to be a scare monger but traveling home from work the other day I saw an endless stream of these railcars, and I mean endless, heading south in Upstate NY.
Any railroad junkies out there ? What are these cars used for ?
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Not Sure Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:08 PM
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55. See post 54 (nt)
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:09 PM
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34. Holy Crap - from the OP's url
"
Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.

According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month."
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:14 PM
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35. End Game sure sounds like a final solution
Nazis. I hate Nazis.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:21 PM
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36. How True!
K&R
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:24 PM
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37. holy shit, it is the final solution, and the targets are
basically anyone that disagrees with the system. All the bullshit about "illegals" is just that. People will think, "Oh, those cars have illegal immigrants in them, they're deported", meanwhile the beat goes on.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:43 PM
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39. InfraGard: the new corporate member spies who may target citizens and identify them as "terrorists"
as reported today here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2852341

And according to one InfraGard interviewee, the current 23,000 members have permission to “shoot to kill” in the event of martial law!

Exclusive! The FBI Deputizes Business

By Matthew Rothschild, February 7, 2008

"Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does—and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to “shoot to kill” in the event of martial law."

original here: http://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 05:50 PM
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41. K & R
And that's what they have in store for us, cancelling the elections.. . sigh . . .
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:02 PM
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43. Holly shit!
Right now Hitler and Stalin are laughing their ass off in hell! Well I'm lucky to be a Canadian...It will buy me a couple of years...I hope.:scared:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:11 PM
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45. K&R
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 06:39 PM
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46. I think it's quite obvious that the administration has chosen:
Rule by fear. Truly scary. Thanks for the reminder! K&R
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:10 PM
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47. America, stick a fork in it...
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:14 PM
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48. K&R
Things just keep getting better :puke:
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 07:44 PM
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52. Reread the Constitution Again Today
Has anyone read the 14th Amendment? It appears that all people under the Jurisdiction of the US or the States have rights to Due Process. Habeous Corpus cannot be executively priveledged away!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:49 AM
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68. They don't operate per rule of law and know damn well how slow the courts operate.
Moreover, they have appointed loyalists and congress-critters have created lots of doors towards dictatorship via legislation.

I don't understand the continued denial, "it could never happen here" when this administration has proven without any doubt its willingness to abuse power, to violate laws and the people, to take their personal agenda as far as possible.

:shrug:
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:38 PM
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57. I don't know. I think what they're really doing is setting up profitable,
sustainable businesses for BushCo enterprises. At least milking the system for every last dime.

Yes, the potential for civil rights abuses are truly frightening and scare the hell out of me. But after Bush and Cheney are gone who is going to keep feeding Halliburton and it's subsidiaries these fat contracts? Making hay while the sun shines, so to speak.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 08:56 PM
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58. who will feed them? all the democrats in congress , silly
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:35 PM
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60. Its pretty obvious the government has been totally taken over
and US people are waking up
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:06 PM
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66. yeah, it's obvious all right....look around people!
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:12 PM
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69. We live in a police state
This election is the most important election ever. A democrat must win in order to restore what Bush & Co. have done, (that is my hope anyway). These are scary times we live in. Even scarier is the idea of pre-emptive war, that the WHOLE situation from 9/11 on is a "grand plan" of some sort. On 9/11, it still haunts me that Bush kept reading to those kids in school, he didn't know if we were under nuclear attack or what the hell was going on. WHY did he sit there and continue to read before he took any kind of action?
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:36 PM
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70. Endlösung...well, almost. (Oh BTW, Amercian Idol is down to 24!!!) n/t
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