Senate votes to award telecom immunity for illegal wiretapping ordered by Bush

[seafan]

This is all we need to know. The Senate just voted to award immunity to telecoms for illegal wiretapping ordered by George W. Bush.


The yes votes to the Dodd Amendment to strip immunity went down to defeat.




Thank you, Senator Obama, for your Yea vote to this amendment to this egregious bill.


Senators Clinton and Graham didn't bother to show up to vote.




Question: On the Amendment (Dodd Amdt. No. 3907 )
February 12, 2008, 11:03 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3907 to S.Amdt. 3911 to S. 2248 (FISA Amendments Act of 2007)
Statement of Purpose: To strike the provisions providing immunity from civil liability to electronic communication service providers for certain assistance provided to the Government.

Vote Counts: YEAs 31
NAYs 67
Not Voting 2



Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---31

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Tester (D-MT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)


NAYs ---67
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)


Not Voting - 2

Clinton (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015

[SharonRB]

1. Thanks to the 31 courageous senators who voted Yea

I hope someone challenges Stabenow in her next election, although she was just re-elected in 2006, so we have a ways to go.

[TahitiNut]

8. Stabenow shows her corporatist colors yet again.

I'm glad to say she didn't get my vote in 2006 and won't get it in 2012. She's detestible. Lieberman, Nelson, Stabenow ... BLECCHH! :puke:

[AndyA]

2. Thank you, Senator Obama, for your Yea vote to this amendment to this egregious bill.

I WILL NOT VOTE for this man.

[VenusRising]

6. He voted Yea to STRIKE the ammendment.

Not to include it.

[Elidor]

7. He voted to stip the immunity provision from the bill

The yea votes are not for telecom immunity: precisely the opposite.

[rockymountaindem]

9. Yea to the amendment to strip immunity

Yea to an amendment against Bush's demands. Sounds good to me.

[Elidor]

11. He voted to stip the immunity provision from the bill

The yea votes are not for telecom immunity: precisely the opposite.

[AndyA]

22. Thanks - I was reading the OP too fast.

This is an important issue to me, as it should be to most Americans.

[sazemisery]

3. Our candidates either vote for it or don't show up to vote.

Makes me real proud of the sad state of affairs for Democrats that would like a return to the Constitution and rights to privacy.

[jackstraw45]

12. Obama voted against immunity - FYI. nt

nt

[VenusRising]

13. He voted Yea to STRIKE the amendment.

He did not vote to include it.

[Kittycat]

16. Re-read... He voted to YEA to strip the immunity, not NAY to let them keep it.

[LSparkle]

4. Another strike against Hillary

I'm sorry, but this was an important vote -- she should have been there.

[jackstraw45]

5. Another HISTORIC vote as the Senate takes a 2/3rds collective PISS on the Constitution

Thanks for taking the most nuanced position possible Senator Clinton (ie, no position).

[cloudythescribbler]

10. Some of the Dems are serious disappointments -- Et tu Kohl? Webb? McCaskill, et al????

And so many have been talking about Webb for the VP spot with Obama. At least Boxer and Feingold (possible VP candidates) voted YES!

And I hope it isn't considered 'uncivil' to note that Obama voted the right way and HRC didn't even show up.

[johnlal]

14. Thank you Senator Obama

This vote was important. Who wants to live in a Soviet-style country where the government can secretly intercept all of your telephone calls and e-mail messages without a warrant and without a showing of probable cause? Obama apparently doesn't want us to live like that.

[seafan]

15. Just to clarify, a yes vote was a vote to strip immunity from this bill.

And, sadly, those voting yes were defeated.

[originalpckelly]

17. This seems a *tad* important, why wasn't Clinton there?

This whole debacle is a black eye for the idea of representative government. Democracy is the only way.

[americanstranger]

20. I asked that question on another thread.

What possible advantage can be spun from not voting on a vital issue like this one?

No answer yet. I'm really curious as to what Clinton's strategy is here.

- as

[Oilwellian]

18. Jesus H. Christ

Obama voted AGAINST immunity. Those in this thread implying he voted FOR it are grossly confused.

[originalpckelly]

19. True, but it didn't come across clearly.

The way these votes are phrased, it's so muddled you can't really tell if you don't really read carefully.

And it isn't because of the of the OP, it's just the vote itself.

[stillcool]

21. The usual suspects...

they are so consistent.
http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

[Zodiak]

28. Yes they are....the DLC and the few other Dems who make a career

off of voting with them...

Just as a reminder....here is how often (by percentage) they vote with progressives on big issues


Harkin (Iowa) 82.75862069
Boxer (California) 82.75862069
Feingold (Wisconsin) 82.75862069
Kennedy (Massacheusetts) 77.5862069
Corzine (New Jersey) now Gov. 76.66666667
Lautenberg (New Jersey) 75.86206897
Durbin (Illinois) 75.86206897
Akaka (Hawaii) 75.86206897
Sarbanes (Maryland) 72.4137931
Kerry (Massacheusetts) DLC 70.68965517
Leahy (Vermont) 70.68965517
Levin (Michigan) 68.96551724
Mikulski (Maryland) 68.96551724
Reed (Rhode Island) 68.96551724
Biden (Deleware) 67.24137931
Dodd (Connecticut) 65.51724138
Wyden (Oregon) 65.51724138
Dayton (Minnesota) 65.51724138
Obama (Illinois) 63.79310345
Bayh (Indiana) DLC 60.34482759
Murray (Washington) 60.34482759
Schumer (New York) DLC 58.62068966 (takes $ from the DLC)
Inouye (Hawaii) DLC 56.89655172
Bingaman (New Mexico) 56.89655172
Dorgan (North Dakota) DLC 55.17241379
Reid (Nevada) 55.17241379
Byrd (West Virginia) 55.17241379
Clinton (New York) DLC 53.44827586
Menendez (New Jersey) DLC 50
Cantwell (Washington) DLC 48.27586207
Stabenow (Michigan) DLC 46.55172414
Kohl (Wisconsin) DLC 44.82758621
Feinstein (California) DLC 44.82758621
Leiberman (Connecticut) DLC 44.82758621
Rockefeller (West Virginia) 41.37931034
Conrad (North Dakota) DLC 41.37931034
Baucus (Montana) DLC 39.65517241
Carper (Deleware) DLC 34.48275862
Johnson (South Dakota) DLC 31.03448276
Lincoln (Arkansas) DLC 31.03448276
Salazar (Colorado) DLC 24.13793103
Pryor (Arkansas) DLC 22.4137931
Nelson (Florida) DLC 20.68965517
Landrieu (Louisianna) DLC 17.24137931
Nelson (Nebraska) DLC 3.448275862

I know which way the wind blows...always towards the Republicans.....because of the DLC. And anyone who pulls that red state argument must think to themselves...do you honestly think that red-staters vote for a Democrat because they know they are really a Republican? They are just as clueless as to what positions the candidates take as the rest of the country....they have no idea they are getting a DINO, and when they do, they blame the Dems, not the Republicans.

And it still doesn't explain Carper and Cantwell.

[stillcool]

29. wow...that's amazing...

when you see it in black and white. A duh, no wonder moment.

[Zodiak]

31. You should read my methodology

Before you believe anything I say.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Zodiak%20Ironfist

That way your opinion is rooted in fact and not trust in some dude on the internet.

[stillcool]

33. I checked it out...

but I have to admit, my eyes glaze over at the mere thought of considering methodology. But thanks for pointing me towards your journal. It seems logical, and I really like logic.:hi:

[seafan]

30. Thanks for this list, Zodiak Ironfist. The DLC is a wasp nest. These folks need voting out ASAP.

If this election season has demonstrated anything clearly, it's that this is a pitched battle for control of the Democratic Party, between the Republican wing and the progressive wing. The DLC is looking on in horror as *their candidate* is smelling like defeat. That's why they are fighting so hard to stay in power. This is a tremendous opportunity to change the face of our party to one that is by and for The People.


There are many more of us than the DLC people. We should make it our priority to remove these people from their iron grip on our party, and replace them with true progressives. Otherwise, nothing will change.

[Zodiak]

32. You are correct on all accounts

If Hillary does not win the nomination, it will shatter the notion of the DLC being the "electable" wing of the party, which I think is a load of crap not proven beyond one man...Bill Clinton.

But the problem is this...do you think with the history of scuttling Democratic efforts over and over again that the DLC would push for Obama after he defeats Hillary? After Carville betrayed Kerry? After Gore lost support because he went "populist"? I submit that they will not. They would rather the Democratic party lose and be a minority again than hand mantle of the party back to the People. Besides....they win anyways because under the Republicans, their corporate masters still reign supreme...and in the minority position they can continue to make sure there is no effective opposition.

Case in point: Joe Leiberman....DLCers and DLC-connected Democrats let Lamont wither on the vine to make sure Joe Leiberman got his spot back, only to vote consistently with the Republicans. If you are a mole organization, that is exactly the thing to do.

I will never vote for a DLCer....never. I will take just about any other Democrat, but never a DLCer. They do not fool me with their glamour and myth about a "conservative America".

To them, bipartisanship means give the Republicans everything they want without negotiation or compromise. Oh...and make sure that progressives never have a spot at the table by taking up their seats.

I declare war on them.

[malaise]

23. Another sad day

Good for Obama. Smart move. This will hurt both Hillary and McCain.

add.

[atreides1]

24. That's One Constiututional Amendment Killed

Now they only have 26 more to go!!! They're already working on killing the 1st Amendment, which has already passed the in the House with 400 votes, and I'm sure that the closet Nazis on both sides of the aisle in the Senate will be there to watch it die as well, with thunderous applause.

[LSK]

25. Landrieu, Bayh and the Nelson idiots - the DLC base

Who would have guessed?

:eyes:

[bdamomma]

26. my Senators did the right thing and voted for the American people

Senators Reed and Whitehouse, what happened to those Dems who voted against immunity, where the hell do their loyalities lie, with that psychotic *, I mean WTF.:grr:

I just fire off e-mails to all those so called dems who voted with the repigs on this, disgraceful shameful.

[Javaman]

27. more of our "democracy" has just trickled away...nt

[Canuckistanian]

34. Jesus. Have Senate Dems abondoned all reason?

What was the purpose of granting immunity to telecoms? How was it sold to them?

For "protecting" telecoms from prosecution because a trial MIGHT reveal sensitive information?

There are ALREADY provisions in the law that allow for such a scenario.

How could they NOT see that this is strictly an ass-covering move by Bush?

More importantly, WHY did they CAVE? AGAIN?

What is this OBSESSION they have with giving Der Chimpenfuehrer EVERYTHING he wants????

:grr:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. Water is wet. Sky is blue. Dems cave....again. Pathetic.

[spanone]

36. i counted 17 democrats who voted like republicans....hey, its bi-partisan fucking of the people

[Canuckistanian]

37. The usual suspects

Feinstein, Landrieu, McCaskill, the Nelsons, Rockefeller, Stabenow and...... WEBB???

What a farce.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

38. Disgusted but not surprised

K&R

[Orwellian_Ghost]

39. Kicking