Democratic list of SHAME. Immunity for the Telecoms

[Phred42]

Senate Approves Telco Amnesty, Legalizes Bush's Secret Spy Program
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/senate-approves.html

The Senate overwhelming voted Tuesday evening to legalize President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program and grant amnesty to the phone companies that helped out with the domestic spying..

The 68 to 29 vote is a major step in radically re-configuring 30 year-old limits on how the nation's spying services operate inside America's borders. The vote also deals a severe blow to civil liberties groups that are suing companies such as AT&T and Verizon for turning over millions of American's phone records to the government, and for helping the government wiretap American's phone and internet communications without a court order.

The bill, which expires in six years, allows the government to install permanent wiretapping outposts in telephone and internet facilities inside the United States without a warrant. However, if those wiretaps are used to target Americans inside or outside of the country, the government would have to get a court order. However, if the target is a foreigner or a foreign corporation, and they call an American or an American calls them, no warrant is required.

Prior to this summer, the intelligence community was forbidden by law from wiretapping phone and internet switches inside the United States, unless they had a particular target in mind and applied for a court order from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. That court largely rubber stamps such applications -- it approved 2,072 in 2005 and required modifications to only 61 of those.
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AND...........

On Cusp of Senate Telecom Immunity Passage, White House Admits Phone Companies Spied
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3179787
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Here is the list of Shame. These "Democrats" voted FOR immunity for the telecoms and the Bush Crime Family.

If one of these traitors belong to YOU, it's your responsibility to contact them and let them know what you think.

Here is how you can contact them: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/


Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Webb (D-VA)

[C_U_L8R]

1. With immunity, the telcos can't plead the 5th

just saying.... even though this whole thing stinks,
it could be turned into some sort of benefit.
Lets get the whole bunch of em up to capital hill
to testify exactly who ordered them to commit
these illegal wiretaps. There are still more crimes
to solve here folks.

[dmosh42]

4. I do see where you're going, but I don't think they want to do anything...

just take their corporate money and run.

[C_U_L8R]

6. > >> sigh

i'm afraid your right.... just trying to look for a silver lining.... somewhere

[TechBear_Seattle]

10. With immunity, the telcos don't need to plead the 5th

All they have to do is say, "No comment, sucker."

[Time for change]

31. It seems to me that if they do that they can be charged with contempt of court or Congress

I don't believe that immunity can cover all future criminal actions.

[lynnertic]

12. not so fast. The DOJ has gagged the telcos so 5th amendment, shmith amendment.

In the testimony leading to this vote representatives of telcos were forbidden by the DOJ under gag rules to testify in their own defense.

[Terry_M]

2. Democrats I can no longer ever support

and thanks to them I can't support any organization that tries to help get them reelected.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. Jim Webb.

His motto: "Make sure you make some fire-breathing announcement, sure to snooker the Dem base, the day before you vote as a Republican"

On edit: And remember: Mrs Clinton didn't even show up.

[halobeam]

13. I'm surprised about Webb

don't know what else to say. I just praised him yesterday, and now... well, I'm not surprised about being surprised, that's all I can say. Even those you think are really speaking for the people, are not.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

32. I am not.

A lot of critical votes have had Webb voting with the pukes. The thing is that he covers these votes with fire-breathing populist announcements, guarenteed to throw the base off his tral, very close to the vote.

It's a classical three-card monte-style political move, so we don't watch the cards.

It's time the base crawled up his ass and started getting its mail there, until he wises up to the fact that we know what he is up to and we ain't gonna support his little ruse.

[CTD]

5. Don't forget Clinton (D-NY) who didn't vote.

Isn't that something like voting "present"?

[johnlal]

18. Yes it is...

So I hope she doesn't try to use that line anymore.

[bdamomma]

7. I sent each of those traitors an e mail yesterday

stating my disgust. What the hell is wrong with these people??? I think those on that list need to hear from us.

[Phred42]

8. Good on ya!

[TechBear_Seattle]

9. Feinstein... no surprise there

But then, unlike Clinton, she was actually there to cast a vote one way or the other.

[VP505]

20. Feinstein voted NO

That list is wrong.

[TechBear_Seattle]

22. I withdraw my comment and apologize. n/t

[VP505]

25. No apology needed,

she votes wrong so many times its easy to figure she would on this especially since she spent so much time on the floor supporting it. I don't know what happened but she did see the light on this one.

[Horse with no Name]

11. It doesn't matter how they vote

Which excuses will be proffered this time...
We would have lost anyway...they weren't from a safe district...it was a procedural vote, et al.

[Robb]

14. I'm sick and tired of defending Ken Salazar

...Fool me 3,142 times, etc. :banghead:

[Pappy]

15. Here is another link to that story, Thanx Phred for the list of shame.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080213/D8UP3K000.html

This link I found this morning. Fucking traitor Dems in Congress have got to go!

Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Webb (D-VA)

[Zodiak]

16. Let me adjust that list for you

Bayh (D-IN) DLC
Carper (D-DE) DLC
Conrad (D-ND) DLC
Feinstein (D-CA) DLC
Inouye (D-HI) DLC
Johnson (D-SD) DLC
Kohl (D-WI) DLC
Landrieu (D-LA) DLC
Lincoln (D-AR) DLC
McCaskill (D-MO) unknown, but was recruited by Schumer and pushed by the DSCC
Mikulski (D-MD) DLC
Nelson (D-FL) DLC
Nelson (D-NE) DLC
Pryor (D-AR) DLC
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO) DLC
Stabenow (D-MI)
Webb (D-VA) unknown, but was recruited by Schumer and pushed by the DSCC

Just so you know which groups back which of these odious Senators

[vi5]

17. Tell me again about needing more dems?

Seriously would people tell me AGAIN in the face of this about how "Oh can't do anything with a 1 vote majority in the senate...blah blah blah....even the worst dem is still better...oh just wait until we get supoena power..."

I'm done. I'm seriously done with these traitors and enablers. And eff Harry Reid for not acting like a majority leader. He needs to step down right fucking now.

[VP505]

19. That list is wrong!

Feinstein voted NO, and you left off Whitehouse who voted yes! According to the U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes page.

[Phred42]

23. The List is Correct -

White house? This is a list of Dems that need to be removed from office. All republicans need to go.

A no vote on this one means that you were FOR Immunity. And Feinstein voted FOR Immunity


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015

[VP505]

27. That vote and list was for the Dodd amendment

here is the vote on the actual FISA bill. BTW I was not defending Feinstein but she did vote NO on the actual bill and yes I agree those on that list should be replaced by a more progressive candidate. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00020

[dysfunctional press]

21. i just cut my kohl's card in two and threw it in the garbage.

ANOTHER chain that will never get another penny of my business.

[Phred42]

24. Good on ya! And tHanks for the info

I didn't realize that there was a relationship there

[dysfunctional press]

28. it's the family business...

and gave him enough money to join the u.s.senate club.

[Phred42]

29. Got it

[Cabcere]

26. Damn it, Jim!

:mad: Senator Webb will be hearing from me about this. Not cool.

[wiggs]

30. I don't think the list is that important. I could be

wrong, of course, but there always seem to be enough dems to crossover and give the WH its victory. The names of the crossover dems vary; they spread around the political risk somewhat so that the same ones aren't always on the wrong side of issues. But the result is the same. We could look at dozens of similar lists of dc dems who didn't vote the way you would expect on particular bills. There's always a list of shame, but this weeks goats were last week's steadfast defenders of the flame.

I contend (just by observation and not by deep research) that these votes are choreographed by the party and the sponsors of the party and sponsors of the congressmen. I contend that these votes are not always personal...that everyone knows how the vote will turn out and some members are protected, some take risks, some are voting as instructed. They take turns being the visible voice for different dem issues...each getting the spotlight at some point. But it seems each must also take one for the team and vote on the other side occassionally.

Vote counting and arm bending is not new. What is new (and more important than the specific list)_ over the last decade or so is how often dems are siding with big money and the republicans. Always more money and power to fewer and fewer people. Always less transparency and fewer rights to the people. This trend is crossing party lines, leaving us more or less on our own.

(Would be nice for someone with time to look back at the votes to see how the list of shame has varied and how many horrible bills were enabled. You could go back to dozens of bills...patriot act, bankruptcy, electoral vote confirmation in 2004, IWR, funding, etc etc etc). Job for media....

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

33. I disagree.

The putative "Dems" on that list are reliable votes to go with whatever the White House is selling. They have done it time and time again.