Roger Clemens' "blue dress?"

[question everything]

I am not a sports fan but to hear of a trainer who kept old needles with Clemens' presumed DNA on them...

Why would he keep them all these years? Had his own Linda Tripp who suggested that?


And why does Congress is wasting time on any of that? If any baseball fan feels cheated - by Barry Bonds, or others, let him sue the team, or the owner, of the players themselves. If members of Congress think that this is a way to improve their image, good luck. It just highlights how negligent they are in what they were elected to, and are paid to do.

[tishaLA]

1. Henry Waxman had to shoot old Roger down

when Waxman was making his closing statement, Clemens thought he could talk too, and Waxman said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me." I thought when the hearing was adjourned, Clemens would turn to Waxman as he was walking out and say, "You want a piece of me? DO YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME, MUTHAFUCKA?!"

[shaniqua6392]

2. Anything to avoid doing something about Iraq or

Afghanistan, health care, foreclosures, etc. etc. They are wasting more of OUR time and OUR money on this crap. They will be no more successful on this venture to abolish steroids than they were on their "war on drugs". Absolutely laughable. Why don't they ask where these steroids come from? They are made by our friends at the pharmaceutical companies. This is not like a meth lab. This crap comes in a bottle ready to inject. If they want to limit it's use, then they should put some tight restrictions on their friends in big pharma.

[CTyankee]

3. I watched part of Waxman's hearing today and wondered the same thing.

What is Congress's interest in investigating this?

When I heard the convoluted testimony of Clemens and the guy who kept the needles/gauze and others, I was struck by how high the stakes are in major league baseball -- not that that is a big news flash. When one Congressman asked why the guy with needles lied in his original testimony, he said he wanted to protect the team members. What a crock. He covered for them to be covered himself and now the whole thing is coming apart at the seams.

IT's obvious that sports professionals take enhancing drugs because they can and, in a way, must in order to keep themselves competitive in their sport. The money is too big, the stardom too attractive, the perks too enjoyable...

[wake.up.america]

4. Clemens is taking it in the shorts.

[CTyankee]

5. It appears so. Do you think he lied? n/t

[HughMoran]

6. Clemons lied his ass off

.

[CTyankee]

7. Do you think he'll get away with it? n/t

[HughMoran]

8. Sure, he won't be charged with anything

His reputation - he'll never get it back and he deservers what he's getting.

[CTyankee]

9. Well, if everyone was doing it why should he care? He's made his pile, hasn't he?

And wasn't his career essentially over anyway?

But, as I said, I don'tknow much about this stuff. IT just seems that pro athletes have such short careers and are paid so highly while they are hot, they can just take their millions and laugh it off. Clemens can justify his taking steroids on the grounds that everyone was doing it, so in order to compete you have to take the steroids too.

I'm not saying I agree with that reasoning, just that it has some justification when you think about it...

[HughMoran]

12. I have no issue with him admitting he took them

But he's lying - that pisses me off.

[CTyankee]

15. Excuse me for saying this, but why would he care whether you were pissed off or not?

I don't mean to be confrontational with you, but he seems not to dare what ordinary people think. And why should he? He's got the money, the fame, why should he care what any of us think about him?

The whole thing, the money, the glamour, the women, the high life, that is what has mattered to these people. Don't feel dissed because of that! If you don't matter to them, then don't care about the way they think of you!

[HughMoran]

16. I'm from Boston

He was a local sports hero and then he acted arrogant and left. He is a significant figure to Red Sox fans everywhere - this is unavoidable. I've earned the right to despise him. If he told the truth I would have respected him. He didn't. He lied. It contributes to the pattern started here in Boston that he's a selfish arrogant ass hole.

[CTyankee]

17. My granddaughters, daughter and SIL live in Sherborn so I know how strongly felt

their sports passion is. Sorry, didn't mean to be dismissive of your feelings and even sorrier because you ARE from Boston and I truly understand. So yes, shame on Clemens. Lots of fans believed in him and he just blew them off. He is a jerk of the first order...

[DangerDave921]

10. A couple things

1. An individual fan cannot sue a player or a team over using steroids. There's no cognizable legal claim.

2. Congress should stay out of the steroid issue. It is not the role of our federal government to intrude on a private sport.

3. Clemens is so lying.

Mikey-Mike (Orioles Fan since birth)

[question everything]

11. Perhaps not for use of steroids, but for misleading marketing?

A fan buys a season ticket based on the promotion of these great players only to find out that they used steroids?

The same was with Marion Jones. Eventually she was indicted for lying to Federal investigators. Why was the Federal Government involved? Correctly she was stripped of her medal but one would think that the FBI has more pressing issues to pursue.

[CTyankee]

14. Jones is a black woman? Why else? n/t

[jmg257]

13. Clemens could have a fear of perjury. The trainer's "evidence" COULD be harmful

if he was to be charged with perjury IF it was handled properly as evidence (which it wasn't). Trainer used to be a cop, knew he was dealing in illegal substances (& also knew he isn't a real doctor despite pretending to be) so kept the "evidence" just in case(?).

Bottom line: McNamee's word against Clemen's. (with Petite's testimony also weighing a little against Clemens)