In the face of ongoing Democratic collaboration with Repukes, why not secession?

[villager]

At what point do regional secession movements become viable -- each one able to restore the rule of law forfeited in our "two" party system? At what point do they, in fact, become necessary?

After the national currency collapses?

After the round-ups begin?

Does a coordinated secession movement have more chance of success?

Are the initial steps for each "future citizen" of each reconfigured republic to wean themselves from the larger systems -- commercial, consumer-based, etc., etc.?

Thoughts?

[griffi94]

1. no way

there won't be any secession...the great vast middle will never support that....the left and right sides of the aisle only get to govern when the middle lines up behind them.....the middle will never line up for this....gotta go american idol is on lol

[Selatius]

2. Secession won't be entertained until the people are screaming in agony.

The last time the country approached something remotely painful, so painful as to cause the government itself to become potentially unstable, was the Great Depression. When food riots were the norm, people were looking closer to home for solutions, not a national capital hundreds if not thousands of miles away.

[villager]

3. Ergo, we may not be far from such a moment once again?

n/t

[Selatius]

4. Doubtful. Unless unemployment is beyond 30% and people are starving to death. n/t

[Edweird]

5. It doesn't become viable.

1. It's doomed to fail.
2. It's flat out treason.
3. It's incredibly selfish. You could put your energy towards the overall betterment of our country and die a hero instead of a traitor.
4. War requires GUNS. As I recall, you think nobody should have them. That's got me scratching my head. (correct me if I am mistaken. I'm typing off-the-cuff here)
5. Things have been MUCH worse than they are now. And it didn't happen then. And our country recovered. Toughen up a little bit and get some historical perspective.

[villager]

6. Dear Edweird, I know you hate to think of a single human moment that doesn't involve guns,

but that really wasn't the purpose of this thread. I'm not gonna have to put you on ignore am I, in your determination to turn all my threads into gun threads?

As for secession, read what Kirk Sale has to say about it:

http://www.counterpunch.org/sale10052006.html

[Edweird]

8. Dear Villager:

Secession is treasonous, self serving and pointless. Our government sees secession as an act of war. Maybe you're not up on current events, but our government sends soldiers to fight wars and they don't come with flowers or chocolates. There was an event 100+ years ago... maybe you've heard about it? If not, try "the google".

This cartoon can explain it for if you're having a hard time understanding the consequences of secession.
It takes a while to get to the point, but it gets there.
http://www.familyguynow.com/watch.php?id=218

"I know you hate to think of a single human moment that doesn't involve guns,"
"your determination to turn all my threads into gun threads?"

Please, by all means, if you can back that stupid bullshit up, go for it.
I talk about guns in GUN THREADS.
I talk about other things in other threads.

If you want to put me on ignore for pointing out reality and some possible cognitive dissonance on your part, go right ahead.

Edited to add Family Guy link.

[LWolf]

7. I'd like to start with

seeing the people secede from the corrupt two-party system currently running things. They could do this: no more votes for either of the two parties, or for any corporate-backed candidate would be a good beginning.

Until people are ready to take the obvious first steps, refusing to give political support to corrupt politicians operating in a corrupt system, I don't think you'll see enough people anywhere willing to make a secession happen, either. It's disheartening, to say the least. :(

P.S.

Hi, friend!