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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:17 PM
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different versions of Senate leadership on FISA
from
Senate Votes to Expand Spy Powers
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/us/13fisa.html

with nice photo of Reid having a headache or something.

excerpts:

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“Some people around here get cold feet when threatened by the administration,” said Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who leads the Judiciary Committee and who had unsuccessfully pushed a much more restrictive set of surveillance measures.
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Among the presidential contenders, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, voted in favor of the final measure, while the two Democrats, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, did not vote.
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Democratic opponents, led by Senators Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, argued that the plan effectively rewarded phone companies by providing them with legal insulation for actions that violated longstanding law and their own privacy obligations to their customers.
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“This, I believe, is the right way to go for the security of the nation,” said Senator John D. Rockefeller, the West Virginia Democrat who leads the intelligence committee. His support for the plan, after intense negotiations with the White House and his Republican colleagues, was considered critical to its passage but drew criticism from civil liberties groups because of $42,000 in contributions that Mr. Rockefeller received last year from AT&T and Verizon executives.
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Mr. Dodd, who spoke on the floor for more than 20 hours in recent weeks in an effort to stall the bill, said future generations would view the vote as a test of whether the country heeds “the rule of law or the rule of men.”

But with Democrats splintered, Mr. Dodd acknowledged that the national security argument had won the day. “Unfortunately, those who are advocating this notion that you have to give up liberties to be more secure are apparently prevailing,” he said. “They’re convincing people that we’re at risk either politically, or at risk as a nation.”
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There was a measure of frustration in the voice of Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, as he told reporters during a break in the daylong debate, “Holding all the Democrats together on this, we’ve learned a long time ago, is not something that’s doable.”
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:56 PM
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1. All because we are afraid the telecoms might not provide us with technological help
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 07:57 PM by sjdnb
in the future? Seems like a great argument against privatization, outsourcing, and sending manufacturing and other critical industries overseas. Sheez, if the government is so dependent upon the wishes of big business we could wind up beholden to them and foreign entities :sarcasm:
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