On NBC Nightly News has anyone else noticed on the Roger Clemmons

[Bobbieo]

hearing, the Republicans are siding with Roger and the Dems are siding with the trainer which illustrates how divided the two parties really are!!

Roger = money, power - the trainer is Mr. Working Man.

How can the truth ever be decided here?

[ingac70]

1. Clemmons is buds with Dubya....

The Repubs now wish they could go back in time to '05 and never bring up steroids in baseball.

[Bobbieo]

4. Jesus, they all lie well, don't they!!!

[wake.up.america]

14. burton does his usual song and dance - not interested in the facts.

[physioex]

2. WTF....

I don't why he had to lead with that story. I mean Iraq, credit crisis, recession, etc..... :eyes:

[murielm99]

3. My husband used to love Roger Clemmons.

He even had a shirt with Clemmons' picture on it.

Now he sneers at Clemmons.

Why do they have to ruin baseball with these drugs?

[physioex]

5. Clemmons is just a scapegoat.....

What about all the other who have are still getting away?

[EFerrari]

9. Exactly. What about the trainers, management and ownership?

They all are in on it.

[Bobbieo]

8. I didn't even know who Clemmons was until this came up.

but it seems to me - under the curcumstances - Clemmons is taking one helluva risk making his statements under oath, if he is lying, as he is the one who has the most to lose.

Is there any DNA involved here with needles, etc to ferret out the truth?

[Ken Burch]

19. Thing I've never understood is: why would a PITCHER use steroids?

Steroids increase brute strength, and that's about it. Pitching, especially for an older pitcher, isn't about brute strength. It's about hand/eye coordination and fine muscle control. How would a pitcher gain anything from 'roids at all?

[sendero]

26. Bull...

... pitching is about throwing the ball fast as well.

I'd bet any amount that Clemmons used just like the rest of them.

[Ken Burch]

29. I'll defer to your expertise.

Not sure why my question angered you. I admit I speak from less than full knowledge on the point.

[Progressive_In_NC]

30. Rehab...

If you get injured, you can use HGH to help you recover more quickly. I know several regular folks who got prescriptions to help them heal.

[Ken Burch]

42. Thanks for the info.

n/t.

[cboy4]

6. I'm not sure what the ratio is (and it makes sense that those

Republic weasels would), but it's not completely accurate.

(just a couple of experts from AP story....I haven't read the entire transcripts) ---



"It's hard to believe you, sir," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told Clemens. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."


"If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn't telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don't think there is anything in between." (Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080214/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_steroids_clemens_157

[SoCalDem]

7. Who gives a shit?

What they should be doing, is investigating things that matter to us all..

If steroids are baaaaaad, then make a law BANNING them..mandate testing for athletes before every game, and if ANYONE on the team tests positive, the team forfeits 2 games..

2nd offense..they forfeit the SEASON..
That would stop it..

[Bobbieo]

11. I give a shit!!! Sports are a part of our social fabric and culture - albeit not mine -

And these so called heros are role models for our youth and set one bad example with the message that it okay to cheat. That is WRONG!!!

[cboy4]

15. Aren't you getting a little carried away?

And if you're seriously going to get this worked up about it....don't you think you should be more concerned about the damage steroids does to the human body, above and beyond any message about whether it's okay to cheat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

Anabolic steroids can cause many adverse effects. Most of these side effects are dose-dependent, the most common being elevated blood pressure, especially in those with pre-existing hypertension,<19> and harmful changes in cholesterol levels: some steroids cause an increase in bad cholesterol and a decrease in good cholesterol. Anabolic steroids such as testosterone also increase the risk of cardiovascular disease or coronary artery disease. Acne is fairly common among anabolic steroid users, mostly due to stimulation of the sebaceous glands by increased testosterone levels. Conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can accelerate the rate of premature baldness for those who are genetically predisposed.

Other side effects can include alterations in the structure of the heart, such as enlargement and thickening of the left ventricle, which impairs its contraction and relaxation.<26> Possible effects of these alterations in the heart are hypertension, cardiac arrhythmias, congestive heart failure, heart attacks, and sudden cardiac death.<27> These changes are also seen in non-drug using athletes, but steroid use may accelerate this process.<28><29> However, both the connection between changes in the structure of the left ventricle and decreased cardiac function, as well as the connection to steroid use have been disputed.

High doses of oral anabolic steroid compounds can cause liver damage as the steroids are metabolized (17α-alkylated) in the digestive system to increase their bioavailability and stability.<32> When high doses of such steroids are used for long periods, the liver damage may be severe and lead to liver cancer.

[Bobbieo]

21. Cbpy 4 Of course I care about what steroids do to the human body -

I left it up to you to fill in the details which you did very nicely - thanks!!!

[trumad]

22. Believe me---

if cboy cared he's be mighty concerned about his hero Barry Bonds.....

[cboy4]

36. Now trumad....don't take your frustration about Miami's

record out on me.

I actually do care whether children take steroids.

[CTyankee]

31. Athletes who abuse their bodies just by doing their sports without drugs

probably just don't care that they further abuse their bodies with steroids. It seems crazy to me, but I am not a fiercely competitive athlete with a very high threshold of pain AND driven by the lure of big money and glamor.

[cboy4]

35. No, I understand the players probably don't care --

I'm talking about the effects of steroids on the children who might be influenced by athletes to use them.

[CTyankee]

40. Yes, that is sad. However, this is a "teachable moment" for parents to

talk to their kids about steroids, if they haven't already.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Then by all means, Bobbie...

Don't take steroids and play baseball.

What's wrong is Congress wasting time on this bullshit while people are dying in Iraq.

[polticalpout]

12. Well in times like these is nice congress can focus on baseball

War...bah! Economy...wha? Civil Rights broken in the last year by BushCo...zzzz!

Baseball...yay!!!!

[MadBadger]

10. I Find all four sides to be full of shit

Both the trainer and Clemons lacked credibility, and yet the dems somehow thought the trainer had credibility.

[Bobbieo]

13. I really think sex will outlive baseball - maybe it will outlive all professional sports,

GOOD!!!!

[monktonman]

16. WHO FUCKING CARES!!!!!

[taterguy]

18. You cared enough to view and post in a thread about it :)

[Frank Cannon]

23. Don't you love it when that happens?

That could almost serve as material for a DU drinking game--the profanity-laced posts from people who profess that they couldn't care less about a topic.

[taterguy]

24. Who gives a flying fuck about your Goddamn stupid drinking game?

Bottoms up . . .

[monktonman]

34. Oh you outsmarted me

good for you.

[taterguy]

41. Looks like I won the Battle of Who Could Care Less

Are you (never) impressed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7-jiEbWUUc

[pinniped]

17. Roger should have never talked to these assclowns in the first place.

.

[SpiralHawk]

20. "Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. We republicons ain't responsible for nothing. Smirk." - Roger C,

[Rockholm]

25. Clemens is the spelling. Roids are the game.

[bdamomma]

27. this is was the opening story too.

not all of us are interested in Roger Clemens when there are other more important things to focus on, another distraction to throw out to the masses. Look at the shiny keys!!!!!!!! How disgusting.

[jmg257]

28. Easy on the "working man" schtick - McNamee is a drug-dealing, phony PHD-using, low-life.

Also a self-serving rat. (but so what - a bit more understandable)

Anyway - you do NOT want to be thrown in with the likes of him.

[SidDithers]

32. And the sad thing is...

that drug-dealing, phony PHD-using, low-life, self-serving rat still has more credibility than Clemens.

Sid

[Buns_of_Fire]

33. Dana Milbank said this morning that if Congress had spent as much time palpitating the question of..

...WMDs as they have palpitating the question of Rocket Roger's Bleeding Buttocks, we'd probably be in a different situation today.

It was something like that, anyway. He has an article in the Washington Post ("Bottom Feeders") about it.

[JerseygirlCT]

37. Exactly

This just doesn't rise to the level of needing congressional input. Sheesh. Clemmons is an ass, and as much as I enjoy seeing him exposed for a liar, we've got far, far more important matters that I'd like to see our legislators dealing with, you know?

[Blue_In_AK]

39. We've finally become so disgusted

with NBC Nightly that we're not watching (or any other network news, for that matter). It's all a bunch of drivel, and they never talk about anything substantive. I'm tired of human interest stories masquerading as "news."