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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:36 PM
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Goodbye to the so-called American dream. Many families face the choice: heat or eat.
This is quite a long article, so I'll try to keep my comments as brief as possible. I do ask that you read it though and try to keep it going, because for those of us facing this it is that important.

Never in my life did I expect to be in this situation, I always played by the rules, paid my bills and provided for my family. But because of a series of unforseen circumstances,(which I will get into at a later time in order to keep this short, or you may ask me about it if you wish) I feel that I have let them down. My family and I are about to lose the home that we scrimped and saved for our entire lives, the home that we have lovingly restored with our own hands, sweat and blood.

However, this not only about me and my family, its about the millions of others across the country, through no fault of their own, find themselves in this same situation and even worse. Even though I have desperately tried, I cannot find an answer, maybe somebody here can think of something, any idea will be greatly appreciated, maybe there is something I overlooked.

A special thank you to bobbolink for her support through all of this!!
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Danny Schechter's blog
Is Your Home Still Your Castle As Foreclosures Rise?
by Danny Schechter | February 15, 2008 - 9:19am
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12855

When Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans, the world saw a disaster unfold. Homes sank underwater, bodies floated away, and to this day no one has really accepted responsibility while thousands remain homeless. Katrina shamed our nation in a saga spawned by criminal neglect, inept government responses and indifference in high places.

No one with a home in America can ever be sure that a similar tragedy couldn't befall them -- whether through floods, tornadoes, fires or by the severe weather that seems to be worsening in part because of global warming. Now there's a new threat, a wave of foreclosures. Millions are saying goodbye to the "Ownership Society," the so-called American dream.

Disasters R'Us, or so it seems.


Right now, in our midst, on streets nearby our own, a national tragedy of an even larger proportion is unfolding with a predictably pathetic response from an "able to do nothing" Administration with still a tepid response from politicians, candidates, and even progressive organizations.

Over two and a half million American families are facing foreclosures in what is shaping up as a 50 State Katrina. Many of their homes also house tenants who risk eviction. When a home is foreclosed upon, the house next door loses value. Soon, there goes the neighborhood and the city tax base. The ripple effect is dramatic.

Even more dramatic are some of the tactics homeowners are using to fight back against many of the deceptive subprime and other loans that knowingly put them in unaffordable situations. When courts favor property rights over human rights, many are just trashing their homes in an orgy of anger and revenge before abandoning them.

You might say these homeowners should have known better. True, some may have been scammers in the American tradition of always seeking a good deal, buying now and paying later. But there's no longer any denying that a large number were victimized by predatory practices and "deals" pedaled by sleazy brokers but backed by top banks and investment houses.

Richard Biter, a former Subprime salesman tells all in, "Greed, Fraud & Ignorance: A Subprime Insider's Look at the Mortgage Collapse." He reports, according to a review by blogger Charles Hugh Smith, "that up to 80% of all subprime loan applications were rejected by honest subprime mortgage brokers. This stunning statistic suggests the frenzy which overtook the nation as people who were clearly below-average credit risks stormed the housing market, trying to get in and get rich just like everybody else."

Their mortgage paper, often inflated by fabricated appraisals, was then resold into Wall Street, securitized, sliced, diced, bundled and resold again as "asset backed" when they weren't. This fraud has led to BILLIONS of dollars of losses and write-downs by institutions that should be prosecuted for perpetuating a white-collar crime wave.

Unfortunately, these crooks will probably get off, and can afford to take losses. Most Americans living from check to check in an economy heading south can't. Many are deeply in debt having lived off of equity loans from homes that long ago became ATM Machines. Other are facing job losses, trying to cope with rising costs in an economic squeeze that is getting worse.


This week, the Treasury Department got together six major lenders who are now offering to postpone foreclosures by 30 days. THIRTY DAYS! What generosity. Thanks a lot. Even Wall Street analysts say it's a joke. There is a worse crunch to come as more mortgages reset and prices fall.

"With home prices expected to eventually fall 20% to 30% nationally about 10 million households will have negative equity," explains economist Nouriel Roubini. "Banks will have to eventually recognize that even a plan that freezes the reset of most mortgages will not be enough. To stop foreclosures they will have to accept a reduction of the face value of the mortgage to the lower current value of the home. While this may be costly to the banks the alternative of foreclosure and selling such homes in an illiquid market is worse for creditors. Thus, much more radical policy options should be considered to avoid the biggest foreclosure crisis in US history."

A few groups are protesting and some of the worst offenders are making deals with advocates like NACA and ACORN to front for their mortgages. These non-profits can do a better job of offering mortgages than greedmeisters like Countrywide. To stop foreclosures, mortgages have to be restructured and made affordable.

Not surprisingly, some protests are erupting but local governments are trying to muzzle them, The Detroit Free Press reports:

"A federal judged ruled Monday that two members of a group that supports a moratorium on mortgage foreclosures can hand out leaflets during State Attorney General Mike Cox's Avoid Foreclosure forum today. Members of the Michigan Emergency Committee Against War & Injustice complained that they were told to leave Cobo Hall on Dec. 13 during an Avoid Foreclosure forum that attracted more than 4,000 people. They were forbidden to hand out leaflets demanding that Gov. Jennifer Granholm declare a state of emergency and impose a moratorium to stop foreclosures and utility shutoffs."


Michigan is in a state of urgency on this issue. It was reported this week that "The Detroit area, hit hard by the double-whammy of unemployment and a slumping housing market, had the highest foreclosure rate in the nation last year, with several cities in California ranked close behind."

If you drive through the Motor City as I did recently, you will see areas that look like Berlin after the war, blocks and blocks of empty house and spreading urban decay. There have been reports of "ghost towns" throughout the Mid West. Many families face the choice: heat or eat. No wonder, homelessness leads to an upsurge in crime.

Why aren't we all fighting for debt relief like people in Africa did? Why don't we have a bigger campaign for a moratorium on foreclosures until the scams are investigated as the FBI is starting to do, late as usual. Why isn't this a national issue? The American Home Owners Resource Center in California told me that unscrupulous lawyers are trying to shut down their website (Ahrc.com) exposing fraudulent practices by lenders and homeowner associations.

If not now, when? Our homes used to be our castles. For some in deep debt, they became prisons until they aren't there any more.

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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:52 PM
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1. They're entirely right about Michigan.
I'm going to look up that group. They sound like people I want to be with.

Just in our neighborhood on our little street, an older neighborhood in Battle Creek, we have three empty houses and another house that was on the market for a year but didn't sell. The family stayed there, but things are getting bad. For sale signs are everywhere. Housing prices are plummeting. It's awful.

I'm so sorry you're losing your home. That has to be one of the worst things that could happen to anyone. :( Hug? :hug:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:54 PM
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2. Its the same here...
Every block has at least five houses for sale, its a sin. Thank you for the kind words.:pals:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:28 PM
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13. My part of town is still selling well
because they're all two and three bedroom, one bathroom, post WWII starter houses, convenient to everything. People who are downsizing houses and commutes are finding this area very attractive.

I just hope they get to keep these houses. We saw a wave of foreclosures here in late 2006 and it wasn't pretty.

The mini mansion neighborhoods and high end housing are not selling at all. Those are the American dream turned nightmare areas of this city. I don't have the foreclosure statistics for this city, but I know they're pretty high, fueled mostly by out of state speculators who were snapping up 1/3 of all new construction until well into 2006, mostly financed by iffy paper that will be resetting through 2009.

It's hard to feel sorry for the speculators who were lying about occupying those places to get their loans. However, the 2/3 of the neighborhoods that are occupied are going to see their own property values dive as empty, abandoned, unmaintained houses draw vermin and vagrants.

It's a crime. The real criminals will likely skate. I can only hope they were greedheads and invested heavily in their own fraud via hedge funds.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:08 AM
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43. Let me know if there's anything I can do.
I'm not that far away. Maybe we can help?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:29 PM
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45. Thank you knitter4democracy...
I really appreciate your offer and I will kepp you informed. I hope you know how much your support means to me, I am overwhelmed by it. Thanks again.:pals:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:54 PM
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3. You and Joanne are in my thoughts and in my heart!
I want so much for DU to sit up and take notice of you, dear dajoki!

:pals: :loveya: :pals:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:56 PM
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4. As usual, you are here when needed...
I don't know what I'd do without you.:hug:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:09 PM
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5. Real estate was the last plate spinning, and it's finally crashed to the floor
This debacle has been coming for a long time..

Middle Class has changed...and many missed it, because it changed by small degrees over tiome, and each change came disguised as a BENEFIT...an enhancement

A person in their 40's NOW, has a life that's almost foreign to the lives of people who were the same age in the 60's & 70's.

Back then, by the time they were that age, they were likely to have been in a job they would retire from (with a pension), for 15 years+..

They probably had money saved..they bought a new car every few years, they took vacations, they were probably still in the same home they bought in their mid 30-s...One income was enough to sustain the family, and if Mom worked outside the home, it was for "extras"...like a COLOR tv or for Christmas money.

Kids could easily expect to go to college, and graduate with little or no debt..and in 4 years...

Most people had NO credit cards..(maybe a gasoline card)
Local banks loaned the money people needed to buy houses/cars etc.

What we did not have then:

Big Box stores--- Instead of a big box with a single group of workers, we had a downtown with MANY specialty stores, and the money earned by them was spent in the OTHER specialty stores.. we had shoes stores, camera stores, men's clothing stores, women's clothing stores, childrens' clothing stores, furniture stores, drug stores,etc...the money was deposited into LOCAL banks and loaned out to LOCAL people who spent it LOCALLY.. The money did not end up in China or the slot machine aka NYSE

Fast Food---- We had restaurants who bought their food locally, hired local people to cook & serve & do the books, and ghe money spent there was re-spent locally.. the food was also real

Cell Phones---we did not even have answering machines..we had hundreds of people employed at the local telephone office, who spent their money at the local stores

We switched local commerce for "convenience", and it's cost us dearly..

We cannot "go back", and going forward is going to be very painful, since we can no longer afford to be what our image of middle class is..

We have been conditioned to want and expect more, and we can only afford less and less..and that
less" is costing more and more every day..

We are on a gigantic losing streak here, and it's not going to improve


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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:19 PM
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8. You just described my hometown...
Stores all closed, gone to malls and Wal-Mart.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:26 PM
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12. Unless you grew up in a big city, that's the way MY hometown was and probably
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 04:27 PM by SoCalDem
most people's, and it was the MODEL for middle class living..

wide streets, lined with trees (our streets were brick)..sidewalks, front & back yards..big front porches..

Nothing fancy..just comfortable

"Dallas & Dynasty" were the first tv shows that even showed excessive living, and by the 80's everyone thought they could charge their way into that lifestyle...we all wanted the GOOD life, and of course our incomes could never support that lifestyle..
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:37 PM
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15. You nailed it again n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:23 PM
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47. I expressed this same sentiment -- albeit, not as eloquently by half -- a couple of days ago.
As stated up-thread, "You nailed it."
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:58 PM
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67. One thing many did not have then--and it would be sorely missed:
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 02:59 PM by raccoon
Air conditioning.

I'm sorry this is happening to you and your family, dajoki.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM
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68. Thanks raccoon...
All this support REALLY does help.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:16 PM
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6. Have you been to a lawyer or to a credit counseling service
for your county who can perhaps help you redo the mortgage?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:20 PM
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9. That is in process now...
but time is running out. Thank you very much!!:hi:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:19 AM
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41. I hope you get some really good and effective help.
Maybe this house of yours can be saved for you and your family. I certainly hope so.
Here's wishing you some GOOD luck for a change.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:14 PM
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44. Thank you very much...
every kind word is greatly appreciated.:pals:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:18 PM
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7. Heartbreaking - you and your family will be in our thoughts.
Stories like this should motivate Progressives everywhere to hold our politician's feet to the fire on these issues that are at the heart of what it means to be a Democrat! Issues of poverty, housing, and a fair shake for those who work hard and play by the rules.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:23 PM
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10. You nailed it...
"what it means to be a Democrat!" People forget that, the party has changed dramatically and not for the better. Thank you for your thoughts, they ARE appreciated!!:hi:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:25 PM
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11. Aw, dajoki, that's awful
I wish I could do something, but all I can do is offer sympathy and :hug: :-(
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:36 PM
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14. That is very appreciated...
Your thoughts mean alot to me, and it DOES help. Thank you Lydia Leftcoast:pals:
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:38 PM
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16. K&R dajoki. I am so sorry to hear this.
This is just heartbreaking.
I don't know what you can do, but I am hoping there is something you can do to save your home. I hope someone here knows how you can get some help. It's shameful that this is happening in America. So many many people homeless because of these criminals.
My heart goes out to you & family.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:47 PM
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17. I am trying...
and I won't give up. Thank you for the kindness!!:hi:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:48 PM
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18. This is what our candidates need to be focusing on but withourt Edwards,
:shrug:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:50 PM
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19. shades of Eliot Rosewater
"Thus did a handful of rapacious citizens come to control all that was worth controlling in America. Thus was the savage and stupid and entirely inappropriate and unnecessary and humourless American class system created. Honest, industrious, peaceful citizens were classed as bloodsuckers, if they asked to be paid a living wage. And they saw that praise was reserved henceforth for those who devised means of getting paid enormously for committing crimes against which no laws had been passed. Thus the American dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun." "God Bless you, Mr. Rosewater" 1965 p. 12
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:18 PM
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23. That sure sums it up.
:scared:
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:53 PM
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20. This is so very important that I had to K&R.
Thanks for posting this.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:52 PM
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39. Thank you for responding & rec. n/t
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:03 PM
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21. Bailing out homeowners hurts those in poverty
Clearly bailing out homeowners transfers wealth to those that own property. This comes at the expense of those that do not own property, especially those in poverty.

This logic is pervasive and irrufutable.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:47 PM
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31. divert
You make a very good point. This couldn't be happening; both the working and middle classes are slipping, while the poor must be sinking even further. Everything slipping all at the same time. We've got to divert the huge defense spending to domestic issues immediately.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:32 PM
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40. I am both a homeowner and living in poverty...
It doesn't have to be one or the other, our government needs to get its priorities straight. There could be enough to help everybody, to a point. We need true election reform, we must stop lobbyists from buying our lawmakers, we need to put a stop to the the loss of the country's best paying jobs being shipped overseas, and invest in OUR nation's workers. Or we can continue the outsourcing and continue the build up of the military for illegal invasions/occupations and continue to bail out the banks that have been a major cause of the mortgage crises. What I'm saying is that if there would have been a true regulation of the industry in the first place, some of this could have been prevented. Look at part of Bush's budget, look where the cuts are being made:

2009 Budget Seeks Spending Freeze
Bush Looks to Cut Health Programs
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 1, 2008; Page A03
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/31/AR2008013103235.html

President Bush's $3 trillion budget for fiscal 2009, scheduled for release Monday, will seek a virtual freeze on domestic spending programs while cutting billions of dollars from federal health programs to reach his goal of balancing the budget by 2012, White House and congressional officials said yesterday.

Some programs would be favored. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced yesterday that Bush will seek a 19 percent increase in funding for border security and border enforcement, including $2 billion for border fencing, vehicle barriers and detection technologies, as well as $442.4 million more to hire, train and equip 2,200 new Border Patrol agents.

But such increases would have to come out of other programs to hold discretionary spending by Congress just below $1 trillion for 2009. Senate aides said a freeze on domestic discretionary programs would mean deep cuts to grants for education and law enforcement to states and localities. First-responder grants would be cut nearly in half, the aides said.

The biggest savings would be found in federal health-care entitlements, said a White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the budget has not been released. The growth of such programs would be trimmed by $208 billion over five years, with 82 percent of that, or $170 billion, coming from Medicare.


<<snip>>

Even with such cuts, the president's budget envisions a big jump in the budget deficit, from $163 billion in 2007 to about $400 billion in 2008 and 2009. Much of that increase will be the result of a slowing economy and a stimulus package expected to cost about $150 billion. The deficit forecast in 2009 also accounts for $70 billion in war costs in Iraq and Afghanistan, a partial payment, as well as about $65 billion to hold off the growth of the alternative minimum tax.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:15 PM
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22. Recommended. It is a tragedy NOT ONLY for hard-working home-owners but also,...
,...renter who simply could not catch the wave of any "living wage" job.

America hasn't 'really' been the "land of opportunity" for quite some time.

Working hard, maximizing your potential, being a 'good citizen', contributing to your community and all that simply isn't enough for the common citizen in this nation.

Of COURSE there is going to be an upsurge in crime. Desperate conditions produce desperate measures. The American people SEE everything they can not possible acquire on teevee every day, every damn minute. The American people SEE corrupt criminal oppression by the silver-spoon-fed powers-that-be every day, every damn minute.

:shrug:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:38 PM
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50. Very well said...
One of the reasons for my predicament is exactly what you say, "living wage" job. My wife lost a great job because of "downsizing", and where we live any job is hard to come by let alone a great job. She spent three years working "odds and ends" jobs before finally being able to find something a little better than half as good as her previous job.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:21 PM
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24. is your home set up so you can take in a renter?
could your kids double up in a bedroom for a while?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:54 PM
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52. No, but it could be made that way...
I could put a nice size apartment in the basement, but the mortgage company will not accept payments anymore, I need a lump sum of cash to get caught up, which I don't have.

Both my children are grown, as a matter of fact my oldest daughter is about to present us with our first grandchild on March 7. What should be an exciting time is being overwhelmed by our situation.

My youngest daughter lived in FL for about five years until last spring, when she became seriously ill and had to move back home with us in PA. She had an infection of her heart and blood clots in her lungs, we are extremely lucky to still have her. She spent about a month in the hospital and came home with tubes and IVs still attached for another few months, even though my oldest daughter is an RN, we still had to have a nurse come by and help, hospital's orders. She is now still living with us and recovering. Part of the reason we are in this situation, but too happy that she is ok to think about that.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:26 PM
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25. Is there anything we can do? Can Skinner post a contribution thread?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:01 PM
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53. Boy, I don't know, but...
that would sure help. But who am I to deserve a contribution thread, there are many people here that are suffering in one way or another. Thank you so very much for the thought and idea though, it is appreciated more than you can ever know!!:hug:
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:27 PM
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26. K&R and bless you dajoki.
I read this week that in Bush's proposed budget for 2009, the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program would be cut by $570 million. They are slipping in some scary shit while the masses are busy watching the horse race.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:51 PM
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28. Not to mention the cuts to low-income housing. I'm resigned to being homeless the rest of my
pathetic life.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:17 PM
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54. This country...
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 02:18 PM by dajoki
has become so cold and collous that it is beyond words. But please know that to those of us who know you, you are very important to us. Like I said, I don't know what I would do without you, because you are ALWAYS there when needed and your courage inspires me. I do know however that my words do not get you housing, but I just want to let you know how much you are cared for.:loveya: :hug: :cry:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:28 PM
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27. That's exactly what I'm struggling with, dajoki... being a goodie two shoes all my life,
and getting so much grief from people, and getting ignored when I'm hurting so much! We're taught over and over that if we're good people, and do what we're supposed to do, we will be rewarded.

HAH!!

That's not the American dream, it's a pipe dream!

I bounce back and forth between dispair and rage.

Just be assured that many of us here know that you DON"T DESERVE ANY OF THIS!!

Playing by the rules and getting screwn really SUX!

:nuke:

:pals:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:08 PM
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37. Yep...
Makes you wonder what exactly those rule are supposed to be, doesn't it? Well it seems that there are different sets of rules for different people or different groups of people, any way you look at it, its not fair. I'm sure Trump or Gates would say its fair, but they're so out of touch with reality, their game means nothing to me and mine to them.

Bobbie, maybe I DON'T deserve this, but neither do YOU, and neither do millions more with similar situations. The thing is that WE CARE, but the problem is that we are powerless, at least that is how I'm begining to feel. I used to be positive about most things, but that has changed, quickly!! With all the social programs out there, that were never good enough to begin with, being slashed even more to fund the invasions and occupations of other countries, pretty much all of the hope I once had is gone. But I do take solace in knowing that I have friends like you, and that we are in this together!!:hug:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:31 PM
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29. another bump for a fine couple!
:kick:

:hug:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:45 PM
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30. damn!
& this is just the tip of the iceberg.

well, our government can quite literally fall under the definition of "organized crime"
It is really a case of vampires setting up their victims behind the veneer of capitalism and "Democracy"

we need to wake up!!!
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:54 PM
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32. K&R
:kick:
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:03 PM
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33. Our elected leaders will do nothing
Unless there are some real problems caused by this....real as in real for them. Getting voted out of office, rioting, massive burglarization of elite businesses and gated communities come tomind as things that elected leaders notice. Poor people being poor and miseable, not so much.

If Americans try to buck up and suck up all of this debt and despair without punishing our leaders for putting us there with their Pied Piper tales of an "ownership society", then they deserve their miserble fate. I predict that there will be a tipping point. Skewed economics has always produced a tipping point in western nations...and I cringe at what will happen when that point is reached.

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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:11 PM
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61. That is what they are doing waiting until it is too late like always..
reacting too late. It is already there crime is out of control in a lot of places and spreading a lot of these people are repubs who don't give a damn because they can't see it and if they do they just go hide in their gated community and think they will be safe. I was watching some of these rich bastards on Fox talking about their taxes are too high.


Bush gave them a tax cut and they still want more,this reminds me also about how they are trying to bring up the abortion issue again to win the election. These bastards have had the whitehouse,congress,senate and supreme court and they haven't stopped it yet they are full of shit. If they think that all of these people will continue to live on the street while they sit there eating a $200.00 horderve they are dreaming this thing is coming to a head just like a pimple and it won't be pretty. They are sitting and planning knowing that Obama or Hillary will get the blame.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:13 PM
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64. Real for them is all they understand...
But I'm afrarid this issue will never hit them. Even getting voted out of office won't hurt them, except for their bloated ego's. Until we have true election reform, where you don't need millions to be enabled to steal more millions, things will never change.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:07 PM
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34. Another K&R from another DU'er in Michigan
I know too many people going through this :( I'm sorry you're in this situation too.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:09 PM
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35. it's the same aeverywhere...it's gonna be the same with AC in the south &southwest this summer
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:11 PM
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36. Does anyone else find the insane amount of money being spent on this election a slap in the face
to all americans who are out there struggling? What is the total going to be? Something like $200million for the dems alone.

that is just wrong, IMHO.

And I don't want to hear that they have to spend it to get elected so they can change things. I call bullshit on that before anyone even says it, so DON'T.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:40 PM
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38. And the insane amount of time
which is, of course, tied into the money. Declare in April, run in November. 8 MONTHS of this bread and circuses to go??? :argh:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:27 PM
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49. Great post.
You should make it a separate post.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:23 PM
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55. Yes, I do too...
What a giant waste of resources that could be used for real change. And I will also call bullshit on hearing that they have to spend it!!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:47 PM
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57. Exactly! And what do we get out of it..????
More profits for more corporations...

WHEEEEEE!!

:nuke:
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:52 PM
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58. right- I was just telling a friend how more money spent on network ads seems to buy...
....better coverage on those stations. Wonder why Edwards was mainly ignored? He didn't have these zillions of dollars to buy ads, hence, the networks ignored him.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:25 PM
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63. Yes...
And it has caused many of us to lose hope. He was our champion, the one person who brought our concerns out and put some light on them. I only hope that he can "force" the debate in this country with the momentum he has gathered.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:33 AM
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42. Sorry to hear about your loss
My brother is currently homeless also, it is awful what is happening in our country.

A :hug: for you during these trying times.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:24 PM
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48. Thank you lisainmilo...
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:26 PM by dajoki
Every kind word really helps, your thoughts are very much appreciated, I sincerely hope you realize that!! And you and your brother will be in my prayers. :pals:
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:17 PM
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46. K&R
We've been having an unusually cold winter in my area. Donate what you can to help wherever you are!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:40 PM
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51. $$ Billions have disappeared. Who's investigating those who profited? --nt
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:41 PM by snot
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:27 PM
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56. K&R n/t
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:59 PM
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59. My Heart Goes Out
to you and your family. This is a terrible state for any hard working American to be in.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:02 PM
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60. My Heart Out To You Dajoki
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 03:07 PM by mntleo2
...it is beyond the pale that such a thing is now happening in droves with the middle class. We had some warnings of this though back in 1198 but most middle class folks were yelling with torches and pitchforks against the one safety net that used less than 3% of the budget at that time they used to cover up the hundreds of billions given away for corporate welfare.

In 1996, many of us tried to tell the Middle Class about Welfare Reform Law enacted into law. This law was not enacted just for the poor, though many middle class people assumed it was when *no* law can be passed for a certain class of people, ALL laws passed apply to all classes. This law says that your family does not matter, and it does not matter if you have a livable wage, only that you work for anyone and anywhere that pays you something. Waitresses legally paid below the minimum wage is just fine with them because they assume she will rake in those millions on the taxable volunteer tips she gets. In NY then-mayor Ghuoliani undermined union paid city workers by replacing them with "welfare-to-work" people who basically worked off their welfare checks at $0.50 and hour in place of union jobs.

A few years ago, while Ghouliani's undermining plan continued under her nose and which she chose to ignore, Hillary Clinton went around the country with Joe LIEberman still touting this horrible law that has permanently plunged low income women and their children :http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2008/01/14/gloria-steinem-the-faux-feminism-of-hillary-clinton/ into perpetual poverty. Even Gloria Steinem who endorsed Clinton (why because she has a pair of boobs and a clitoris?), decried this law and pointed out how devastating it was for women of color. Steinem can be slightly excused as the bourgeois liberal she and Clinton have always been, since it is widely known that as is the very reason why this law was passed with the assumption, because it was assumed it would target women of color, but the truth is ...most welfare recipients were/are white.

What does this have to do with you now 12 years later and in the straits you are? Because, as proven by how much these low income women and their children suffered, who were silently in agony while being used as your canaries in the mine while the rest of our country stayed silent, it is now codified and in the law: you do not matter, your family does not matter, this law says raising and caring for them is all "doing nothing!" Thanks to WElfare DEformed all the work you do that is not paid, the elders in your life who took care of YOU and the next generation so they fight in our wars, pay our social security and take care of us when we are old, this elitist, cruel law says you are "doing nothing" and the *only* thing you do to contribute to your community is work for corporations, matter how crappy the pay, no matter how it damages you, no matter what happens because you cannot make enough. They do not CARE if you don't have a home, they do not CARE of your spouse beats the crap out of you and you were almost killed, they do not CARE if you have no heat and you freeze, they do not CARE if you and your kids go without food or an education.

Nope, all they care about is that you work ~ and who gives a flying s**t if you make enough or not?

I am not meaning to chide people who did not understand this, but I will have to say I wrote about it more than once and got nothing but crap for years on this very forum from people who just refused to understand they were next, even though we tried and tried to tell them. Now I am wondering when people will understand this was all in the works over a decade ago and you can thank Rethug and Rethug lites for it all. You might consider who you vote for and you might also point out to your local states people that you will no longer stand for anything more that erodes what little most Americans have. They can choose to stand with you ...or get the hell out of the way because it may not be pretty!

Love
Cat In Seattle

My 2 cents
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:23 PM
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62. And, hardhearted as I am, I'm not upset that the solidly muddleclass are now being hit!
(I don't put dajoki in that category!)

the proud muddleclass didn't care when it happened to we poor folk, and they still don't.

It's only through their suffering that they will "get it", and it can't happen too soon.

It's sad it came to this, but it was predictable.

Too bad, so sad....

To hell with Steinem, Clinton, and all the latte elites, here on DU and around the nation!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:27 PM
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65. get ye back to the top!
:kick: for a great DUer!

:hug: :yourock: :hug:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:27 PM
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66. What happens when America tries to debt-finance a real estate investment boom
While real wealth and wages go overseas and are reduced in order to bring wages in line with Brazil and China...
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