I'll Give McCain One Thing, He's Not a Chickenhawk.

[tritsofme]

I think he really drinks the kool-aid and believes this whole Iraq mess is a good idea.

At least the Bush people know they fucked up and are just trying their best to cover their asses for the next few months and get out of dodge. They were just looking to make a quick buck and get some oil, they don't really believe that neocon garbage, but now they're just in damage control mode.

I think McCain thinks he can really get in there and fix everything in Iraq, and that its not hopelessly lost.

He loves this war so much that his son is even over there in Iraq.

This man is delusional and shouldn't be within a mile of the Oval Office.

[trashcanistanista]

1. He said he would rather lose his campaign for prez

rather than lose the war in Iraq on Larry King yesterday. He believes most Americans want to win the war honorably. he is so out of touch with the real world, he is an embarrassment to anyone who thinks he's a viable candidate. He will be crushed like a roach by Obama or Hillary.

[Olney Blue]

2. MCain said his son was home from Iraq

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/13/mccains-marine-son-returns-from-iraq/

I don't know if it's for good, or whether they are going to send him back to serve the next hundred years

[NNN0LHI]

3. If McCain had his way we would still be carpet bombing Vietnam

And instead of almost 60,000 names on the Vietnam Memorial in Washington there would be 600,000 names on it.

He loves war. He never seen one he didn't like. Crazy man.

Don

[B Calm]

19. I haven't thought about that. The idiot will probably take us back to

war with the North Vietnamese!

[ChazII]

4. A kool-aide drinker

who walks his talk??? Interesting. :)

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. I think he has a love of war. Some men exposed to war, become enamoured with it (I think)....

Hopefully next year McCain will be making plans to retire somewhere with his fortune hunter wife. :-)

[Warpy]

8. I found that with a lot of Vietnam era pilots.

Most of them never saw the result of what they did to people on the ground and were completely disconnected from the reality of it.

McCain is still fighting Vietnam, I think, along with Rumsfeld and Cheney. They were so sure they could redesign the military to win a guerrilla war in an occupied country that they couldn't wait to test it all out.

Well, surprise surprise. The real lesson of Vietnam was to avoid it in the first place, something men like McCain still refuse to admit.

Corporate wars of occupation are ruinously expensive. We can't afford to continue this one and we certainly can't afford another man who is likely to fulfill the PNAC dream of the whole Arab world in flames.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. That is interesting, and should be studied. War never leaves a person unaffected....

... I heard on the radio on the way to work today a caller discussing the fact that, once men enter the military, a huge number of them become obsessed with guns and gun ownership, something that continues throughout their life.

[Warpy]

13. Then there are folks like my dad

who was on the ground in Britain from 1938 on, a civilian engineer with first the RAF and then the USAF when we got into the war. He was finally drafted in 1944, when they probably figured it was cheaper to draft him than keep paying his salary. He saw the effects of war in North Africa, Sicily and Italy.

He never wanted a firearm in the house, although he did eventually get an air gun. He used to get plastered and swap shots with me at the empties in a lake. Neither of us could hit a damned thing.

I know a lot of combat vets who never want to see a gun. I also know some who are gun obsessed. There doesn't seem to be much middle ground.

[blondeatlast]

20. My father NEVER, not once, discussed the war. He was a navigator

in the AAF. Neither he nor his 6 brothers--all of whom served--would discuss it and flat out refused when it was mentioned.

I know precious, precious little of what he did in WWII. As for guns--he would never even consider it. He also routinely marched in Vietnam War protests. He died of colon cancer shortly after the bombing of Baghdad; I think it hastened his death, I honestly believe that.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. That's very good to hear and a relief. Thank you. nt

[mvccd1000]

26. Interesting.

My grandfather was in WWII and Korea during his 22 years of active duty. He retired and kept a single .357 revolver in the house (although I suspect it was actually my grandmother's).

My father was active duty for four years and reserves for another 22. He never owned a gun in his life until the brady bill passed. Once it looked like the government wanted to tell him what and when he could own something, he went out and bought a shotgun, two rifles, and several revolvers.

I was active duty for six years, and am a mechanic. I love precision machines of all types, including guns. (Does that make me a gun lover?) :)

I own several pistols that I target shoot regularly, but no rifles or shotguns. I don't hoard them; if I pick up a new pistol, I generally sell an old one - I don't need more than I can use. :)


No real point here, just providing some data for the discussion.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. I see what you mean. I think a study would be good. Don't you? It might shed some light into why

some countries are obsessed with guns, owning guns, using guns, gun violence (as in our love for movies and video games involving gun violence) and why some are not (as for example, France, Spain, Belgium, etc.)

[jedr]

11. It's difficult, if not imposable to come to grips;

with the fact that the extreme sacrifice that you and your brothers made was all in vain. Mc cain is no G.W., he's the real deal, however he has the cold war mentality and has no vision that there can be other ways. Conservatives want things to be the same as they always have been and can't accept the fact that life is change {"how it differs from the rock"...Jefferson Airplane). A Mc Cain presidency would be more of the same without the neocon and religious wing nut influence. I don't know if Obama has the vision of what it will take to bring about the changes needed, but at least he knows that this is what is necessary .

[blondeatlast]

18. She's the source of their wealth. She inherited the nation's largest (by far) Anheiser-Busch

distributor and is likely responsible for introducing him to Charles Keating, Fife Symington, and all the other corrupr RW in Arizona.

Methinks she's the power behind the pants--and I know her personally (though not well). She is not as she appears, I'll say that much. Ice... :scared:

[Annces]

23. She is freaky

I saw her on a talk show, and she was talking about strong fathers needed to produce strong men. She is a character out of that movie Handmaiden's Tale, where women produce offspring for the fatherland. A good German.

[Political Heretic]

6. He suffers from Patton syndrome.

And like General Patton, he may perhaps be fit for warfare, but his love, obsession and yearning for war make him unfit to handle the duties of civilian democratic leadership.

[jody]

7. I wonder if Colonel Earl Hopper will succeed in swift boating McCain like Kerry.

Google "Col. Earl Hopper" "McCain" for accusations that may or may not stick against McCain.

[IsItJustMe]

10. Damn!!! Didn't know this was out there. Thanks for the heads up.

[Disturbed]

12. McLame is not a Chicken Hawk. He is a Hypocrite.

John McCain Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

[KG]

14. he's a nut.

[ConsAreLiars]

15. Well, in addition to being insane, he's both a chicken and a hawk

who wants to pretend he is powerful by sending off others to the slaughter. To my knowledge, he never faced combat. He gloried in dropping bombs on "the other" without putting himself at serious risk. Of course, when he did get brought down to reality, he got far better treatment than the US gave to those it captured (he survived), but turned it into an excuse to be a whiny ass warmonger who thinks he had it hard and wants revenge. What a sick monster he is, from his "glory" days of murdering innocents from afar to his hate mongering cowardice of today's campaign.

[tritsofme]

16. You're painting a generation of young men with quite a broad brush.

No thanks.

[Bandit]

25. If he wasn't ever at serious risk how did he get shot down?

You seem to have a very distorted view of what combat is. When bullets are flying at you, you are in combat whether in some foxhole on the ground or in some attack helicopter or jet fighter/bomber. McCain was shot out of the air and suffered numerous broken bones as a result. He then surrendered to the NVA who put him into a POW camp and extracted information and propaganda material from McCain through torture. Because of the torture McCain was never prosecuted for devulging information or creating a propaganda tape for the North Vietnamese. The US government forgave him. There were many POWs that never forgave him though..They suffered similar torture and did not do the NVA's bidding.

[Perry Logan]

17. I wonder why he and his pals let our wounded vets lie around in their own urine.

[Vinca]

21. It's a shame he now thinks torture is perfectly fine.

That should give the people on the frontlines a reason to reconsider their votes. If they're caught and tortured, Grandpa McBush doesn't have a problem with that.

[radfringe]

22. McCain Wars - Over 1 Billion to be slain

[spanone]

24. he's worse, he's a WARMONGER...might is right...kill kill kill