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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:40 PM Original message |
How can we stop these school shootings and what do we keep missing? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. The gun culture must be discouraged and easy sleazy access to guns must go |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I'll Second That.... (nt) |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. That will help bill. Laws must be enacted to hold people responsible |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. What, exactly, should the "enablers" have done? |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. I am not sure. But we should be able to figure something out. Clearly the laws |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. The laws are fine. They were broken. |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
100. You just named three possible places to improve on existing laws. Clearly |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. It is illegal, in Illinois, for anyone who has received inpatient psych |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
78. Yes, exactly, you are right! What more could there have been done? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Like the swiss and the NG deployment in fmr Yugo. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. This perp was a "gangbanger"? |
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Tektonik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. horseshit |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Humans have hurt humans |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. exactly |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. But it will take more time and/or money if guns are discouraged |
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nebula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
79. How many people do yo think you can you kill with a knife |
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BurningDog (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Less than I could kill with an explosive that I learned how to make on the internet |
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Omphaloskepsis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Same thing with cars... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. Funny how those gun killers DON'T kill with their cars, tho!! |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
122. "The gun culture must be discouraged" - translation... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. The gun control debate will come up again, and I'm in favor of gun laws, however... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Not Strict Enough Apparently |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Which mental illness(es) would you put on the list to disqualify a legal sale? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. The Kind That Make Folks Do What This Kid Did |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I asked for two reasons. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. well said. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. I'm thinking that if you reduce the availability to people who |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
132. Excellent analysis, sfexpat2000. You break the nexus here in the debate, a good thing. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
75. I can't legally purchase a gun in Illinois, because |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. It appears he had a foid card |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. State law says one can NEVER own a firearm after being |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
107. Or else some paperwork got lost in the shuffle |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Losing this paperwork is a form of breaking the law. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I don't know which arm of IL government should have had |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
81. So what is your solution? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
129. Your a) and b) examples are right on. And so? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. In Illinois, hosptialization for any psych treatment disqualifies one |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. Believe the news said the man was in his mid 20s, hardly a kid |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. It was illegal for him to purchase guns in Illinois. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
112. I'm making the assumption , right or wrong, that he walked into |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. He should not have had a gun license in this state. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I just looked up the IL website |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
128. A gun license, but not technically valid. nt |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
76. The state of Indiana also made him a corrections officer, a law-enforcement position. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Any fool can get a gun any time. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's a hole we'll never close with legislation. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
39. But its only true b/c SOME regulate guns and SOME don't. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Some what? Cities, states, countries, street dealers? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
64. If we can stop underage kids from getting cigarettes... |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
115. Have you been to a shopping mall lately? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #115 |
125. I guess we live on different planets, guardian. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. OK City was done with OTC |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. it's going to be like the airports |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
83. Well, good luck trying to argue that with the pro gunners! |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
101. 14,000 killed by hanguns in the US last year. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. How many swiss citizens? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. More than double that of 18 countries surveyed... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
130. Excellent! Funny how your post wasn't disputed by any gunners here! |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. HOPE, is what is missing. If there is no HOPE there is only misery |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
11. According to news reports.. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Literally millions of people start and stop taking those drugs |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I totally agree... |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. it's also possible that the medication was very good for him |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
63. Do we have the name of the drug yet? I've been looking for it... |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
15. bad med withdrawal from what I've heard |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. We don't. We can't. But before long I suspect that won't matter. |
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brer cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
19. You can't make people take their meds |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Thank you for the very professional and humane advice /nt |
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Demagitator (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
123. That all sounds nice on paper.... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. we need MORE GUNS!!!! Arm EVERYONE, including CHILDREN!!! |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. "wack jobs" How nice. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. yeah! "way too serious poster" |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I think you're trying to claim "satire" not "sarcasm." |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. I have no claim on anything exc ept bad taste |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. FWIW |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
27. the bush con |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. Stopping guns won't stop human pain. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Yep...so true |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
131. "Without a gun, he would have still killed people." |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
35. Better mental health care!!!! |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. Beautiful, contemplative post |
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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
38. These shootings happen at the very busy intersection |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
40. Human beings are very fragile systems, and must navigate a fear-based society |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
42. If our government didn't spend billions on killing perhaps |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
45. Kids are growing up angry. In Florida, I have a few ideas why. |
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jeanruss (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
49. meds |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No, Anti depressants on their own can't do this or I would |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. I've never heard a doctor discourage efa's or b12 |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
121. Reall? Every one huh? |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
53. It might be as simple as "I don't like Mondays" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
54. Have you seen this? It's enough to break your heart because it means |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
55. adequate mental health services |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. but this particular man had received a LOT of mental health services |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. agree about the publicity |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
57. The first step is to ban handguns - there simply is no justification |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Since the killer used a shotgun |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Let's give my "idea" a chance, and see how many lives we save. We've tried it the |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. So how does one legislate away constitutional rights? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. There is no "constitutional right" to own a firearm - that's an NRA myth. |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. "The guy could have driven a car down |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #65 |
113. The one who drove the car down a crowded sidewalk was an |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. You are half right |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
87. States don't have "Rights" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
95. Even if the 2nd Amendment isn't about indiduals owning guns, the 9th Amendment covers it |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
120. Thats right... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. Hmmm. 40 *MILLION* people of voting age... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
119. The murder capitol of DC gave your "idea" a chance.. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
117. Started with a shotgun, then took out handguns. nt |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. Sounds like Brady bullshit to me |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
94. The more types of weapons you talk about banning, the more voters you alienate |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. Gun control. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Clinton-style gun control will only put Congress in the hands of the GOP |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
84. It would be very difficult to stop school shootings. |
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Demagitator (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
86. Ban all gun ownership and hunting |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Lets ban weed, heroin, and hookers... |
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Demagitator (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. No joke |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. The Swiss have real machine guns |
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Demagitator (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. The Guardian-UK: Murder rate falls for fifth successive year... |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
91. video games (virtual killing enactments) |
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Demagitator (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Cheney's "long list of medications": What did he take, and when did he take it? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
92. It's almost always a mentally ill person who fell through the cracks |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
96. while I am not a hunter or gun owner |
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spacelady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
98. Would stricter legislation regarding gun ownership and |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. Unfortunately I think you may be correct. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
99. They should make all college campuses "Gun Free Zones" |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #99 |
114. Oh yeah, that will work. [major sarcasm] |
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fireonthemountain (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
104. This might be a start |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Are you suggesting people shouldn't take meds? |
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fireonthemountain (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Im not suggesting anything,jesus christ. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
124. There is no one cause. |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. This was the exact post I was going to type.. |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
126. Sadly, the shootings reflect our culture. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
127. If we can figure out why this is true... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. I'm not disputing that there's a lot of mental illness in the US. |
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