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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:21 PM
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WHERE THE HELL ARE THE HEADLINES, DEAR CORPORATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA?
Who will listen?? As you read this study, know that the consequences of high-stakes testing are occurring all over the country and that these consequences were entirely predictable. It is no accident that corporate America, the most zealous supporter of high-stakes testing, is the only beneficiary of this horribly misnamed act.

High-stakes testing is a national scourge and it is educational malpractice in the extreme. Accountability? Yes, indeed! It is time to hold the politicians who voted for NCLB and those who continue to say it just needs to be "revised" accountable. Kudos to those politicians who are willing to admit that the law was a horrible mistake that has wreaked tremendous destruction.

L. M. McNeil, E. Coppola, J. Radigan, J. Vasquez Heilig

Executive Summary

A new study by researchers at Rice University and the University of Texas-Austin, finds that the Texas public school accountability system contributes directly to low graduation rates. Each year Texas public high schools lose at least 135,000 youth prior to graduation. A disproportionate number of these are African American, Latino, and English Language Learners. This study has serious implications for the nation’s schools under the federal No Child Left Behind law, which was modeled on the Texas accountability system.

By analyzing data from more than 271,000 students in a large urban district the researchers call Brazos City, the study found that 60 percent of the African American students, 75 percent of Latino students and 80 percent of ESL students did not graduate within five years. The researchers found an overall graduation rate of only 33 percent.

The accountability system uses student test scores for rating schools and rewarding principals. The logic behind the system was that holding adults in the system accountable for student achievement would lead to improved test scores. The requirement to disaggregate and report student test scores by race, with no school permitted to rise in the ratings without increases in the scores of Latino and African American youth, had the stated intent of narrowing the persistent gap between the scores of these historically underserved subgroups and their Anglo counterparts.

“Avoidable Losses” investigates the disparity between these claims of improving achievement and closing the achievement gaps, and the persistent losses of thousands of young people from the system under the high-stakes accountability system.

The study finds that high-stakes test-based accountability leads not to equitable educational possibilities for youth, but to avoidable losses of thousands of youth from the schools. These losses occur not as administrators cheat or fail to comply, but as they comply with the system as it was designed: that is, in the production of rising test scores for their schools. The study shows that as schools came under the accountability system, which uses test scores to rate schools and reward or discipline principals, large numbers of students left the school system. The exit of low-achieving students created the appearance of rising test scores and of narrowing the achievement gap between white and minority students, thus increasing schools’ ratings.

Methods: The study steps outside the system’s own indicators, the student scores on the state test and the school ratings. The study’s shift away from reliance on school-level data to student-level data across multiple years permitted analysis of the effects of the accountability system on the youth themselves. The research employed multiple methodologies in order to track the policy through the system to the children. The studyanalyzed student-level data on more than 271,000 students in a large urban district over a 7-year period. It included analysis of the accountability policy and its implementation down through the system to the school level; extensive observations in high schools in the Brazos City school district; and interviews with administrators, teachers, and students, including students who had left school prior to graduating. It also included a multi-year case study of a high school attempting to comply with standardized accountability while undertaking reorganization and curricular reforms, and its resulting inability to hold onto many of its students.

Findings:

* Losses of low-achieving students help raise school ratings under the accountability system, thus accruing rewards to their principals in the form of bonuses and job security.

* The statistical analysis of a sample of high schools serving poor and minority youth revealed a pattern of rising school ratings in schools that retained a large percentage of their students in 9th grade. Many of those retained in grade did not go on to complete high school.

* This pattern of 9th grade retention (often up to 30 percent of the class) was traced to a legal waiver that allowed principals to adjust grade promotion standards to retain in grade students deemed to be at risk of reducing the school’s scores on the state test; this practice has become commonplace, beyond the waiver provision.

* The reporting of student test scores by racial categories resulted in the singling out of the lowest-achieving students in these historically underserved subgroups as potential liabilities to the school ratings, increasing the incentives for school administrators to allow these students to quietly exit the system, rather than to provide them with the quality education necessary for them to succeed.

* The case study revealed the difficulty of undertaking substantive, long-term improvements under the pressure to produce immediate spikes in test scores to raise school ratings and achieve acceptable Annual Yearly Progress.

* The degradation of the curriculum into test drills, which have little relevance beyond the state test, distances students who otherwise wish to persist to graduation, exacerbating the likelihood they will leave school.

* The accountability system’s zero tolerance rules for attendance and behavior, including rigid regulations which shift youth into the court system for minor offenses and absences, alienate students and increase the likelihood they will drop out.

* Students experience the degradation of curriculum, zero tolerance policies and 9th grade retention as confusing and arbitrary, each which multiplies and magnifies the potential negative impact of the other on student decisions to persist or leave.

In summary, the study found that there is a strong association between high-stakes accountability and dropping out. This is in large part owing to the system’s internal administrative incentives, which reward increased school ratings, even if they are produced at the expense of youth whose test scores are not likely to contribute positively to the production of these indicators. In such a system, students come to be seen as assets or liabilities to their schools’ ratings. The triaging of thousands of youth out of our schools becomes not a side effect of standardized accountability, but an avoidable loss to make the system look successful.

There are many causes behind students’ dropping out of school, from poverty and unstable families, to pregnancy or the need to earn money. What this study shows is that standardized accountability not only does not aid in overcoming those barriers to school completion; it adds to them. Unreliable official statistics on student mobility and transfers, as well as understated official dropout figures (often reported as only 2-3 percent), make it difficult to assess the exact losses from our schools. Even if the figures generated in this study (for example, 75 percent of Latino youth in Brazos City not graduating) were adjusted downward by 10 percent to include possible transfers to other educational settings, the scale of the losses would still be unacceptable, and the numbers attributable to the impact of the accountability system would bear serious reconsideration of its claims.

This study has serious implications for the nation’s schools under the NCLB law. It finds that the higher the stakes and the longer such an accountability system governs schools, the more school personnel view students not as children to educate but as potential liabilities or assets for the school’s performance indicators, their own careers, or their school’s funding.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:25 PM
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1. I've always thought of NCLB as being the first phase of creating a slave
labor class.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:31 PM
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4. Whether intended or not
by some of our nation's leaders, that will indeed be the consequence.

They must DIRECTLY address the poverty and societal ills and inequities that lie at the root of the poor achievement of disadvantaged children and stop scapegoating our much maligned schools and teachers.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:51 PM
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12. Poverty and social ills are just part of the problem. People need to recognize
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:52 PM by acmavm
that all children are not wired the same. Some are smarter in one area, not so hot in another. But they're thrown together in a setting where that's not taken into consideration.

Some kids are right brained, skilled in science and numbers and whatnot.

Some kids are left brained, creative, musically talented, artistic.

Quit judging them all by the same standards.

And some damn teachers think they ARE social workers who the the skills and knowledge to make judgements about situations and kids that they really know nothing about. I got a list of shit from one of my kids teachers when she entered kindergarten telling me (not suggesting, telling) what to let her play with, what games to play, what television shows to watch, etc. No one ever made that same mistake with me again. Now, that's just MY personal experience. My ex-sister-in-law had an even sweeter experience than that. Her son Jeff went to school and was complaining that he wasn't given anything to eat that morning. His teacher had child protection services going through her house by 10:00 a.m. that morning. Opening her cupboards, going through her refrigerator, every room in her house, the closets, the dresser drawers. Well, the truth to the story was that Jeff was screwing around that morning and was late getting ready for school so he didn't get to eat breakfast. Now, one phone call home would have prevented a long drawn out ordeal with the state of Nebraska, but this asswipe know-it-all woman was SURE that it was a case of neglect so she called the dogs. I don't give a shit about 'poor abused teachers' when teachers have given us such wonderful experiences such as the about, and the McMartin cases, and many others where teachers have overstepped their bounds and their training and cause people who didn't deserve it endless problems. Teachers are not being scapegoated and the schools are not being maligned. They are willing participants in this shit, NCLB and all.

I tell you what, lets make these poor abused teachers teach. Tell them to stick to what they are trained for, and quit with the crap psychology.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:05 PM
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13. I am sorry
you've had such bad experiences and I sympathize.

However, I believe you are mistaken if you do not think teachers and public education are being scapegoated for societal problems over which they have no control.

I'm sorry you don 't give a shit about "poor abused teachers" but the very vast majority of those awful people care very deeply for the students they serve.

Teachers are bound by law to report suspected cases of abuse/neglect and are subject to firing if they fail to do so. It is very unfortunate that this sometimes leads to the experiences you've described. There aren't any easy answers but I can tell you this. I am also a parent and if I had been your ex sister-in-law, I too would have been outraged.

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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:13 PM
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14. BTW
Teachers DO recognize that all children are not wired the same, that their gifts and talents are highly diverse. Attempts to standardize children are wrong. NCLB is not something teachers support...it is a corporate/politico ploy that has been IMPOSED on our nation's schools by far-removed idiots.
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:17 PM
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16. Sorry that happened to your sister-in-law...
...and clearly that teacher made a big mistake. However, it's unfair to characterize that overstepping as typical of all teachers. There are probably many cases where teachers noticing extensive bruising on kids, etc., has led to the kids being taken out of abusive situations.

Also, just because teachers have made similar mistakes does not mean that their jobs have not been made a whole lot more difficult by NCLB. Teachers do get scapegoated. Every time education gets brought up in public, teachers are automatically considered at fault. Parents allow Junior 3 hours a night in front of the television and/or the Wii, but it's the teacher's fault when Junior gets a bad grade. Students refuse to study, but it's the teacher's fault. I personally know of a situation where a school lost a very good chemistry teacher because he refused to pass a football player when the player fell asleep in his classroom and failed tests. The parents complained, the administrator forced a grade change, and the teacher left.

And honestly, if you think that teachers are willing participants in NCLB, then you have nada, zip, zero idea of how the educational system in this country works. Policy decisions get made at the national level without any input from teachers. Then, unless states fall into line with that policy, the federal government withholds funding. School systems that refuse to follow the policies, good or bad, get funds withheld and administrators fired. This basically means that teachers are forced to participate in policies like NCLB that they know are bad because someone else controls the purse strings. The idea that teachers are willing participants in NCLB is absolutely ludicrous.

I agree with your sentiment that teachers should be allowed to teach. They shouldn't have to take literally weeks of time with stupid standardized tests that are heavily weighted towards punishing them.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:19 PM
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18. THANK YOU THANK YOU
GaYellowDawg

You said it much better than I did.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:57 PM
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64. Thank you...
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 08:57 PM by YvonneCa
...from a teacher in Ca.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:03 PM
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67. Thank YOU Yvonne n/t
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:19 PM
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69. You are very...
...welcome. I appreciate your many posts that publicize what is going on in schools with NCLB. I don't think most people pay any attention to it, and the presidential candidates never give it the attention it deserves.

I teach/taught at the elementary level. The effect of this policy hurts all kids, but especially Special Ed., ELLs, and the gifted students... whose needs are basically ignored.

I also have come to believe that teachers are being scapegoated...judged solely on test scores, when we all know there are many variables that produce those scores. I see it as an effort to break unions, and more easily privatize public schools.

As a result, teachers are forced into intolerable situations and forced out...often through early retirement. Here's a book some may wish to read: 'Dealing with Difficult Teachers' by Todd Whitaker. This is a book intended as staff development for principals, but the level of disrespect for teachers by the author is appalling. It is about how to get rid of tenured teachers. It will sadden any teacher who reads it. It helped me understand what my district is doing. If public education goes down this road, it will fail. I hope teachers will speak out, loudly (hopefully with the support of their unions), before that happens.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:28 PM
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72. thanks Yvonne
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 09:29 PM by teacher gal
I support the resurgence of unionism in this nation to protect workers and families but I have to say when it come to public education, the response of the NEA and AFT to NCLB and high-stakes testing has been wimpy at best. Please see my comment about the NEA and Reg Weaver's response to the petition to dismantle NCLB.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:26 PM
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2. Dear DUers
I hope for some help in keeping this study up there. The ramifications for our nation's future are enormous.

Pretty please for some recs and comments.

Thank you.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:58 PM
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65. You got it...
...teacher gal. :)
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:49 PM
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76. I do believe
this thread may make it to 1000 tonight and HINT HINT I sure would like some more recs.

Greedy for attention to this issue...absolutely.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:30 PM
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3. K&R'g!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:32 PM
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5. THANK YOU!! n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:36 PM
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6. Hey, it's ok
The more young adults we create with no future the easier it will be to feed the war machine and supply slave labor through the prison system.

America, rapidly become the gateway to servitude. Oy.

K&R'd

Julie
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:38 PM
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7. yes
Don't forget that NCLB has provisions to allow military recruiters access to the private information of our nation's students.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:42 PM
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8. I want to reiterate
that the destruction being wrought by NCLB and high-stakes testing is an issue of enormous consequence that our corporate owned and controlled media continue to virtually IGNORE.

Therefore, please help us spread the word.

Thank you so much for the recs and comments.

Tauna Rogers
www.educatorroundtable.org
http://aplacetorespond.blogspot.com
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:43 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:46 PM
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10. Orwellian_Ghost
Thank you.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:25 PM
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19. Important info
It's a pressure cooker in the field of education these days. What we are creating are not informed citizens but overly-tested stressed out corporate consumers.

Thanks for your due diligence.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:31 PM
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22. couldn't agree more n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:51 PM
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11. self-promoting
this thread
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:16 PM
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15. kick n/t
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:17 PM
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17. ninth grade 'bulge', school-to-prison-pipeline, high suspensions during testings, etc.
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 02:21 PM by flashl
Lots of gamesmanship at the expense of children to maintain the appearance of success.

The Silent Epidemic: High School Dropouts (PDF)

Why Students Drop Out

In a survey of high school dropouts they give their reasons for dropping out:

  • A lack of connection to the school environment
  • A perception that school is boring
  • Nearly half (47 percent) said a major reason for dropping out was that classes were not interesting
  • Feeling unmotivated; academic challenges
  • Nearly 7 in 10 respondents (69 percent) said they were not motivated or inspired to work hard
  • Two-thirds said they would have worked harder if more was demanded of them
  • 70 percent were confident they could have graduated if they had tried
  • The weight of real world events

    • A third (32 percent) said they had to get a job and make money
    • 26 percent said they became a parent; and
    • 22 percent said they had to care for a family member

What Might Help Students Stay in School?

  • Improve teaching and curricula to make school more relevant and engaging
  • Enhance the connection between school and work
  • 81 percent of dropouts said there should be more opportunities for real-world learning
  • Some called for more experiential learning. They said students need to see the connection between school and getting a good job
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:26 PM
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20. Yes
Note that the reforms needed to improve public education for our children are the very antithesis of what is offered by high-stakes testing and NCLB, the one-size-fits-all approach.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:29 PM
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21. But remember
NCLB is not really an effort to IMPROVE public education, but to discredit and destroy it. Nevertheless, I do not doubt some of its misguided supporters actually meant well.

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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:36 PM
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23. kick
nothing wrong with some persistence
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:45 PM
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24. pretty please with cherries on top
Praying for some more recs and comments as I leave for a bit.

Thank you to those of you supporting this thread!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:49 PM
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25. is it too late to edit your subject into your subject line? This is too important to be cryptic
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:56 PM
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26. I just checked
yes, it's too late
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. It's funny
but I hesitated to put "NCLB" or anything education related into the subject line because it seems to me education gets such short shrift, such little attention.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:49 PM
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35. just say ''Bush education testing scam''
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:51 PM
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36. yeah
putting "Bush" in the subject line would probably help!

The editing period here sure expires quickly.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:14 PM
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42. a couple of principles for analyzing any right wing idea: privatization is corruption,
What republicans love, they deregulate and give money to.

What republicans hate, they regulate to death and take money from.

Karl Rove said too much education is a bad thing since it tends to make people vote Democratic.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:59 PM
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55. This is why I *always* spell it Bu**sh** ...
plus, two 'questionable' elections deserve TWO asterisks.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:04 PM
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56. ha!
thanks
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:02 PM
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28. cannot and will not give up on this thread n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. um, what comes after cherries
in the 'pretty please' department?

whipped cream, there you go...........
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Needing more comments
from someone besides me.

Thanks for the recs!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
63. repeating same n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:18 PM
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30. The headlines are where the flash and glitter go, of course.
Why report uncomfortable facts that your leaders don't want aired?

Better to focus on the stage-managed theatrical productions we call politics in the U.S..

After all, Rush said he might vote for Obama. That's a MUCH bigger story than the destruction of public education for all.

:sarcasm:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:21 PM
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32. sadly
you are right. And you say it very well LWolf.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:30 PM
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33. kick
somewhat discouraged and wanting more comments
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:46 PM
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34. Well, here I go again
carrying on this conversation with myself.

Don't mind begging for some comments and some attention to this cause.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:02 PM
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37. still trying n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:21 PM
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38. whatever it takes n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. To whoever just
gave another rec, thank you.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:42 PM
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40. I wish I could get some discussion going here. n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:56 PM
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41. well
going offline for a while and hoping for the best.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:25 PM
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43. Teaching to the test: a couple of things I'm curious about...
Is there such a thing as a typical adult that this kind of politically driven one-size-fits-all program tends to produce? Do these kinds of standardized, mono-cultural, cookie-cutter educational initiatives kill creativity, the desire to find stuff out on one's own and ruin most kids' critical thinking capacities? Or not?

I guess it's hardly surprising that those are among the key attributes that produce the regimented, easily manipulated, unquestioning approach to institutional authority that defines today's republicans. It seems to me that NCLB is a great way to hand down those characteristics to the next generation.

As such, and without getting too conspiratorial about it, isn't NCLB exactly the kind of program the political/corporate nexus needs to get their quotas of compliant androids that they require? Both seem to be looking for the same character traits.

On the one hand, all governments want uncritical and uninvolved citizens who'll believe just about anything their overlords tells them and not question authority. On the corporate side, you can never have enough conservative debt slaves to fill the seats in the trenches or in lower management positions, and questioning authority is an even greater heresy in the private sector than in government.

So, in your experience, do you find any or all of the above to be the generally true and, if so, are you able to teach in spite of the mandated curricula?

And how do the smart kids respond? Do they find ways to satisfy their curiosity despite NCLB? Are they enthusiastic about learning for its own sake? Or do find that they're so bored that you eventually have to force them to do anything beyond the absolute minimum?

And thanks for the OP. Because I don't have kids, I don't think about this stuff all that often. This thread gives me a great chance to ask questions that I can't really get answered elsewhere.


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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:30 PM
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44. For someone
who doesn't have kids and who doesn't "think about this stuff all that often" you are VERY astute about the issue! Thank you so much for bothering to comment and give attention to the issue.

Yes, I do indeed find what you are saying to be generally true and I don't even know where to begin in offering you links to research and articles confirming these things.

One resource you might find of interest is activist Susan Ohanian's book, "Why is Corporate America Bashing our Public Schools?" She is a prolific writer and she has a website at www.susanohanian.org where you can find tons of resources. Here is a link to but one of her many articles: http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/k0306oha.htm

Although our corporate media pay no attention, we have a national treasure in debunking the unrelenting streams of disinformation about our public schools and that is educational researcher Gerald Bracey. If you are interested, I strongly recommend his many works. Google him.

Richard Rothstein is also excellent. And Alfie Kohn. I could go on and on.

I'll be back tonight if you are interested in my own experiences as a teacher. I'm a special education teacher. For now, suffice to say that we are forced to subject children with IQs in the 60s and 70s to the same grade level tests as their regular education peers.

Here is a link to something I wrote that might interest you and it contains other very relevant links: http://aplacetorespond.blogspot.com/2008/01/were-number-one-erin-childhood-poverty.html

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:07 PM
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57. The hoped-for product is the unquestioning, uncomplaining worker droid.
Or at least those who know enough to do their menial jobs, but don't know enough to see the big picture. Maybe they know enough to complain about high taxes and social programs -- i.e. the things their bosses want them to complain about -- but not enough to complain about the inherent unfairness of the corporatocracy. Informed enough to be a consumer, but not a reformer. Informed enough to contribute to political campaigns, ignorant enough to support Republicans. You get the picture.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:47 PM
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62. yes
I definitely get the picture.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:56 AM
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90. Didn't read ALL of the comments; however, this comes from the same people
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:00 AM by defendandprotect
who want to destroy the Dept. of Education --- and I guess they're pretty close to doing that by now...

If anyone thinks this is only about destroying education for people of color or the underprivileged,
look again because it is destroying ALL of our schools. Even wealthy towns which have been using
high property taxes to keep the schools going are being negatively effected by this program.

Needless to say, the poorer the community, the heavier the burden is falling upon them.
AND, then you have to PAY the Bush family to get reinstated --- !!!

Neil Bush's program for failing schools is C.O.W. --
Curriculum on Wheels ---
A teacher friends asked, "Do you think they're laughing at us?"
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:00 AM
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91. thank you
for your contribution to this thread!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:40 PM
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45. kick
It's just persistent ole me again.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:47 PM
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46. uh-oh
I see I failed to provide a link to this study. It can be found here:
http://epaa.asu.edu/epaa/v16n3/
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:55 PM
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47. I guess I'll set a goal
of getting some flames for a thread on saving public education from corporate/politico policies...haha

What does it take to get them? I'm sure I've never come close.

Any assistance greatly appreciated.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:09 PM
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48. I hope our next president will work with congress to undo this stupid law.
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 07:09 PM by Hardhead
There is NOTHING in this country that Chimpy hasn't fucked up in the name of end-game politics.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:18 PM
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49. I hope so too
I believe Clinton has said recently that she will end NCLB but she has a history dating from the 90s of being big on the whole standards and accountability fiasco.

Until our politicians directly address the root of poor achievement among poor children and stop their endless scapegoating, we will see little change.
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:22 PM
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50. What media?....
The "tabloid media" is all I see published these days.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:24 PM
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51. good point
that's about all it amounts to anymore

Basically, I think they publish and broadcast what the ruling elites want them to.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:29 PM
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52. HA...my first flames
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:42 PM
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53. Please help me get them to burn hotter. n/t
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:02 PM
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66. Congratulations...
...on the flames!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:13 PM
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68. ha ha!!
My first! I haven't been posting here long. I really appreciate you!

And I know the state of California has been particularly hard hit by holding teachers and public schools accountable for circumstances beyond their control.

God bless you.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:22 PM
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71. Thank you for saying this...
...because it helps to know others understand this. I appreciate you, too.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 07:59 PM
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54. Good grief! 135,000 dropouts in Texas per YEAR is astounding.
And to think we built a national model on a freaking TEXAS system??? I remember at the time when they were pushing "No Child Left Behind" and there were some great discussions on this board, most of us were very much against it. We knew then it was a system to destroy public schools and push for private and charter schools. Just this morning, CSpan had a lady who supported vouchers and was pushing to take money out of the already stressed poor neighborhood schools and let the parents use it to pay for a private education instead. That of course doesn't necessarily mean a better education for the child. But this is the sucker-punch along side the NCLB plan.

I have many suspicions as to why our government & corporations are purposefully creating an uneducated class. I truly believe, when you think of the criminals in power now, everything always revolves around money. I'm sure many of those children have become fodder for the ruling class, whether it's via their joining the military or winding up in prison. It would be interesting to study the crime statistics in Texas and see how that correlates with the student dropout rate.

Thanks for posting TeacherGal...I hope the teachers and their unions will become more vocal about what's going on before it gets any worse.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:23 PM
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58. Thank you so much!
You are spot on, sir.

I am doing what I can as one of the founding members of the Educator Roundtable, a grassroots group which organized in November, 2006 to work toward the dismantling of NCLB. Please see our petition at www.educatorroundtable.org

Also we have a discussion site at www.educatorroundtable.net

Here is something that may surprise you. When we came out with our petition, the NEA president, Reg Weaver, sent messages to all state affiliates advising them not to support our petition. Had he supported us, we who have no money, I suspect we could easily have a million signatures on that petition.

It was widely circulated that we were a bunch of fools and amateurs for calling for abolition of the act rather than reform of the act. Now, however, we are not the only ones calling for abolition. Important note: This does NOT mean abolition of the original ESEA, Elementary and Secondary Education Act. It just means abolition of the current iteration of ESEA, which is NCLB.

There is an article about this (the NEA position vs the Educator Roundtable position) in the Nation magazine.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:27 PM
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59. gonna keep on pushin' this thread n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. I'm setting a goal
of 1000 views and 30 recs for this thread. I believe the link between high-stakes testing and the dropout rate deserves all the attention it can get.

Anyone willing to help?? Thank you!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:38 PM
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61. Oh, come on now
I am persistent, if nothing else.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:43 PM
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82. ok
I will revise my previous goal of 30 recs to 25!

Will someone help me?
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:01 AM
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92. I wish you much luck
As if you teachers don't already have enough to do. I'm saddened to see your energies have to go toward fighting this, and fear a lot of the educational system, particularly in the South, has been infiltrated by fundamentalist elements. They certainly don't have the children's best interest in mind.

My daughter in-law is a teacher and I play golf with several who are now retired so am very aware of the disdain for the NCLB program. I'm also a grandmother and just like mocking George Bush. :D

:kick:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:12 AM
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96. By "George"!!!!!
You're a grandmother! Thank you for the kind words!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:22 PM
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70. Please take note of the irony and hypocrisy!
The same corporate/politicos who imposed high-stakes testing and corporate style accountability, the same people who view our children as one-size-fits-all products for their consumption in the 21st century global economy, are now decrying the increasing dropout rates and blaming public education.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:35 PM
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73. I'm gonna keep on kicking n/t
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:38 PM
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74. The Side Effects of Testing
Who Is No Child Left Behind Leaving Behind?

The Side Effects of Testing

Much of the debate surrounding standardized testing is focused on the effects the testing atmosphere has on teachers and students. Negative side effects are associated with teacher decision making, instruction, student learning, school climate, and teacher and student self-concept and motivation. The tests have turned into the objective of classroom instruction rather than the measure of teaching and learning. Gilman and Reynolds (1991) reported sixteen side effects associated with Indiana's statewide test, including
  • indirect control of local curriculum and instruction,
  • lowering of faculty morale,
  • cheating by administrations and teachers,
  • unhealthy competition between schools,
  • negative effects on school-community relations,
  • negative psychological and physical effects on students, and
  • loss of school time.

Testing anxiety related to these assessments affects all populations associated with the institution of education, such as students, teachers, administrators, and parents. Research reports that elementary students experience high levels of anxiety, concern, and angst about high-stakes testing (Barksdale-Ladd and Thomas 2000; Triplett, Barksdale, and Leftwich 2003). Triplett and Barksdale (2005) investigated students' perceptions of testing. They concluded that elementary students were anxious and angry about aspects of the testing culture, including the length of the tests, extended testing periods, and not being able to talk for long periods of time.

Student anxiety increases when teachers are apprehensive about the exams (Triplett, Barksdale, and Leftwich 2003). When students are drilled every day about testing procedures and consequences, the fear of failure prevails. Flores and Clark (2003) investigated teachers' perceptions of high-stakes testing. They summarized six themes of their findings as the following:

1. Teachers are not against accountability; rather, they view assessment as distinct from high-stakes testing.

2. Teachers posit that an overemphasis on testing results in an unbalanced curriculum and inappropriate instructional decisions.

3. Teachers suggest that excessive pressure is placed on particular grade levels.

4. Teachers are having second thoughts about pursuing or remaining in the teaching profession.

5. Teachers propose that test results should not be used to make high-stakes decisions.

6. Teachers have observed that test emphasis affects students negatively, and it manifests in physical, psychological, or emotional symptoms.

These are insights from professional teachers working inside the classrooms every day with the students.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. yes!
Thank you flashl
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. Agreed. I would...
...only change one thing. Your 6th 'bullet' should read ..."negative physical and psychological effects on students and teachers." In my district, teachers are becoming ill from the stress, and then pushed into early retirement.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:07 PM
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78. once this gets 1000 views
I'm gonna go get me a long-awaited pizza to celebrate.

Yes, this is an excuse to kick this thread up there again.

But I do love pizza.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:12 PM
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79. PIZZA TIME!
hehe
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. ok
I really am leaving to go get that pizza now and shamefully kicking this thread up again.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:10 PM
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81. kick, boot, punt
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:56 PM
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83. To whoever
gave this thread those last two recs, thank you.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:21 AM
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84. Leave No Texas Child Behind?
Just another brilliant idea brought to you by a swaggerin', crawfishin', and barely literate cardboard cowboy.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:26 AM
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85. Yeah
Remembering the "Houston Miracle" on which NCLB is based!

No Corporation Left Behind

No Child Left Untested

No Child's Behind Left

Non-standard Children Lose Bigtime

No Teacher Left Standing

And so on....
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:42 AM
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86. one more boot n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:56 AM
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87. bam
maybe bams will do the trick
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:08 AM
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88. last kick for the night
and thank you to those of you who supported this thread!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:23 AM
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102. and this time I really mean it
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:21 AM
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89. K&R
Thanks for posting...I don't like the way this NCLB has materialized either....
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:24 AM
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93. thanks!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:49 AM
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94. guess I cannot
resist one more kick. Good night all.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:07 AM
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95. K & R
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:13 AM
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97. thanks Raksha
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:04 AM
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98. Those seeking to destroy public education
do not really want an educated citizenry who actually THINK and QUESTION.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:05 AM
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99. The study say anything about igoring headlines of a gay issue? cause DU is good at that
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:21 AM
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100. Good grief!!
The study was about the link between high-stakes testing and the increasing dropout rate.

I have read the thread you started about the death of the bride on her wedding day and it is very sad. Regardless of one's position on gay marriage it seems inappropriate to me for you to use the tragedy of her death the way you are.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:38 AM
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101. We cannot have democracy if we do not educate for democracy.
end of sermon
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:39 PM
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108. There you ...
...go. What a good idea...teach history and civics.:sarcasm: NCLB doesn't test them, so they've been cut. It's time for equity in education to include all subjects. :)
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:06 AM
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103. I know this has been posted before, so think of this as a kick!
NCLB: The football version

1. All teams must make the state playoffs, and all will win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable.

2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time and in the same conditions. No exceptions will be made for interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL.

3. When players arrive at any game with remedial skills in football for any reason, their coaches will be penalized for their performance, regardless of how long the players have been on the team.

4. If remedial players do not achieve proficiency by the next statistically recorded game, their coaches and athletic directors will be put on probation. After several games of probation, coaches and athletic directors may be released. Coach and athletic director probation and release will not be conditional on the size of gains in the remedial players football skills; players must reach proficiency.

5. Talented players will be asked to work out on their own without instruction. Coaches will use all their instructional time with the athletes who aren’t interested in football, have limited athletic ability or whose parents don’t like football.

6. All coaches will be proficient in all aspects of football, or they will be released.

7. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th and 11th games.

8. This will create a New Age of sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimal goals.

If no football player gets ahead, then no football player will be left behind.


:( It seems to me that the football players are becoming sick of the game and quiting the team!

(I hate to only paste and post, but I am heading out the door.)
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:30 AM
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104. demmiblue
THANKS! NCLB humor appreciated.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:47 AM
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107. football kick
for this thread
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:46 AM
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105. Good morning
and a kick for this thread.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:11 AM
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106. another try
this morning for exposing what is being imposed upon our nation's public school children in the name of accountability.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:31 PM
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109. Last kick from me
for this thread since I see it has about played out.
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