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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:28 PM
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Kosovo, Wesley Clark, US 2008 elections
Today, as most you know by now, Kosovo declared itself independent of Serbia.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23203607/

This thread is not to discuss that. Rather, it is about Wesley Clark.

Do you think this will lead to him being a go-to guy in the news? If that happens, will it raise his profile again? All I've seen of him of late is at one Clinton campaign event (he endorsed her a while ago).

I wanted a Clark presidency way back when. My dream ticket this go-round is Gore/Clark.

Will a higher profile Wesley Clark give him a chance of being involved in the (now clearly going to happen) Obama administration?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:33 PM
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1. I like Clark, but he made a fatal error endorsing a candidate before
the end of the primary. He made a lot of enemies with that endorsement. Rule - Don't jump into someone else's race, endorse the party. Maybe the only thing that Reagan got right.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:34 PM
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2. I completely agree. He dropped a notch or three in my book with that endorsement.
There was no upside to it at all. None.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:52 PM
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10. And if you plan to be a candidate in the future, you must always
weigh up and down.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:54 PM
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11. I don't think he plans to be a candidate after this cycle
He's 61 now. True, he's very fit ..... but I think this cycle was his last viable chance.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:13 PM
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15. 8 years, he'll be 68. You think that's too old? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:17 PM
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17. Yeah, kinda
Hey, I am a HUGE Clark fan. ***HUGE*** (even after his endorsement of Clinton). But I think that's too old for anyone to run for President (I'm 60).
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:37 PM
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4. He endorsed the right person. He's known Hillary for decades.
He chose the candidate he felt best equipped for the presidency.

Here's an interview with him from yesterday. He certainly doesn't feel that he made a mistake in endorsing Hillary, and he's blazing the campaign trail for her.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4626683&mesg_id=4626683
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:51 PM
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9. That is not the point. He weakened any candidacy he might have
in the future by jumping into someone else's race. And there are people that will not forget that he endorsed before the primary decided.

Before you accuse me of being partisan, I'm from Florida. I don't have a horse in this race.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:18 PM
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18. You mean like Tim Kaine did?
He came out a year ago for Obama, well before Clark endorsed Clinton. No one in Virginia or anywhere else has been critical of his move. Clark began to stand with Hillary in mid-September with the rationale that he'd advised both candidates (actually, more than that since more were in the race at that time)and found her positions, her readiness to lead, her connection with world leaders to be superior. If it made you think less of him, then that's your loss.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:35 PM
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3. I Think Clark Will Lay low For A While
Hoping that folks will forget his association with the (now-embarassing) Clintons.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:39 PM
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6. That won't happen. He's not embarrassed to have endorsed Hillary...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:38 PM
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5. The nomination is not "clearly" Obama's.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:49 PM
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8. Actually, it is clearly Obama's. Mrs. Inevitable is just dragging it out. n/t
n/t
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:56 PM
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13. I'm not happy about it either
But my feelings don't matter .....
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:48 PM
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7. Unfortunately I don't think so, Clark is bound up with HRC
for the time being, unless she releases him when it becomes clear she is not going to get the nomination.

Congrats to Kosovo!! :woohoo: Half of my class is Kovosar Albanians. Very proud, enduring people.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:56 PM
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12. Wes Clark thinks Hillary is the best prepared on foreign policy, & I respect that. But....
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 10:58 PM by Hekate
... I think he would be an asset in any future administration. He has no reason to be embarrassed about his endorsement, at least I think not, and I hope very much that if Obama becomes president he will find a place for General Clark in his cabinet. Obama sounds like the kind of man who will let political bygones be bygones.

Edited to add -- I don't think it will hurt Clark to again be a public face for background on Kosovo. We could all use his expertise.

Hekate
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:09 PM
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14. Obama is more likely to consult Colin Powell.
I don't think he will be involved in the (more likely to happen) McCrazy administration.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:14 PM
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16. Colin Powell is pure dogshit in my book. The ultimate coward.
Only a coward would have known what he knew before the infamous UN speech and, instead of resigning, do what his handlers told him to do. I have absolutely no use for him whatever.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:20 PM
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19. Agreed.
That is one of the questions I have about Obama's ability to make the right choices.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18291108/
Snip>As he prepared for the Democrats’ first presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama sought advice from a wide circle, including, I am told, Gen. Colin Powell, who now deeply regrets his role in making the case for war in Iraq.
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:21 PM
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20. Obama's adviser from Carter Administration
His chief foreign policy adviser was brought back from the Carter Administration. A shining example of change and turning a chapter.
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