Who Feels We Should Start a Civil Suit AGainst Bush and Cheney

[fascisthunter]

for damages against our country?

[dchill]

1. Maybe John Edwards...

will take the case.

[fascisthunter]

2. I Could See More Than Just John Edwards Taking the Case (nt)

[MADem]

3. Dumbass poll. Don't sue them yet REWARD them? How asinine.

How about "Don't sue them because it will blowback on the Democratic nominee come November?" Hmmmmm?

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[MADem]

5. What the FUCK are you suggesting? NT

[fascisthunter]

10. Your Concern Has Been Noted

[sam sarrha]

22. see post #21

[MADem]

35. Gee, you could have just cut and pasted that short sentence, instead of sending me off to find it.

I almost didn't bother, but then, I figured, what the hell.

But you're wrong.

Servicemembers can't sue the government, and family members haven't had much luck either. That's not an "endorsement" mind you--so please don't shoot the messenger--but it is FACT.

See the FERES DOCTRINE for background--if you're inclined.

http://supreme.justia.com/us/340/135/case.html

[Fovea]

6. it will blowback on the Democratic nominee come November?

That statement could use a bit of fleshing out.

How would it do that? Unless it were H or O actually filing suit I can't see how it would be anything but a win.

[MADem]

7. The minute you put a politician on the ropes, his minions start to gather.

The more you pile on, the greater the sympathy for the politician.

This isn't rocket science.

Check Clinton's popularity levels during the impeachment imbroglio. He was never more beloved.

[Fovea]

20. I dont think you can make that hold in all cases

Certainly there was no groundswell of sympathy for Nixon, and he played for it.

In KC in the forties, no groundswell for Boss Tom Pendergast, and he actually improved the economy through
his fraudulent elections.

One man's rocket science is another man's SWAG.

[MADem]

34. You can in most, though.

Nixon was seen as "tragic" and his banishment was "punishment enough." Later, he actually managed to mitigate his reputation slightly, and was consulted on matters of foreign policy.

Bush could pull off the same trick without much trouble at all.

[Faux pas]

8. I've been saying that for years. Make sure to have stress as

part of the suit too.

[Tesha]

9. I would have thought the campaign against Bill Clinton would have answered this clearly.

A proper opposition campaign against Bush/Cheney would have
tied their asses up in civil courts years ago.

Tesha

[fascisthunter]

11. Uhuh.... lol

[dmosh42]

12. I think they may be immune to suits.....

Maybe someone steeped in federal law would know, but I think we would need to have a 'criminal' wrongdoing found first. Then they may be open to a civil suit. That's why Bushco and some of our 'loyal' Dem senators are trying to give the Telco companies immunity. Otherwise they will be found 'criminally negligent', and then are open to suits.

[fascisthunter]

14. If There is a "Will" There will be a Way

All it takes in a massive movement for one.

[Tesha]

15. The Republicans tore away some of this protection during the Clinton years.

I always figured it would come back to haunt them, and given
Bush's record of blatant criminality and bad dealing, it
should have except for the fact that our pantywaist op-
position won't actually do any opposing.

Tesha

[TreasonousBastard]

19. In general, elected, and many appointed, officials are...

immune to ordinary civil suits concerning decisions they made as a part of their duties.

Lawyers who have actually been involved in this sort of thing will have much more to say about it, but you just don't go and sue the President because he sucks rocks.

[TreasonousBastard]

13. Who is "we" and just what legal basis is there for...

civil suits?

As much as I loathe them, there seems to be little we can do without becoming them, and rather than search the bottoms of garbage cans for ways to punish them, I'd rather work on cleaning up the mess.

[fascisthunter]

16. You Can Clean Up "Their" Mess Just SO Someone Else Repeats the Same

no thanks.. not interested

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Well then, have fun finding some way...

to punish the malefactors and make sure nobody does it again.

When you find it, let us know. We'll be working on something hopefully a bit more productive.

[fascisthunter]

25. We are Gonna Be Cleaning Up the Mess Anyways. We Always Do....

What you suggest as a productive solution is already gonna happen....:shrug:


very strange

[Tesha]

17. Ahh, "the high road". Yeah. that's been a real success so far. (NT)

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Not the "high road." The realistic one avoiding masturbatory...

fantasies about punishment and revenge.

And the "low road" hasn't exactly been a great siucces, has it?

[fascisthunter]

28. Why So Nasty When Someone Suggests We Try to Hold Bushco Accountable?

You as well as MADem seem real pissed at the suggestion....

[TreasonousBastard]

31. Because peple have been talking this way for seven years...

and nothing's been done. And nothing will ever be done at the rate it's going.

Few things would make me happier than to see that whole crew frogmarched off to some dungeon, but so far it's all been talk. Just talk.

If someone could actually come up with a realistic scheme to ream their sorry asses it would be nice, but so far it looks like they'll get away with it.

So, get used to it-- they got away with fucking the country over. Now we get to put it back together. Life sometimes really sucks.

Or, find something that sticks to them.

[fascisthunter]

32. Go Ahead... nobody stopping you. Why Try to Stop Everyone Else?

That's what you're arguing for... to deter people from trying. Your point doesn't make sense.

[AZ Criminal JD]

18. Presidents are immune from civil suits from their actions in office.

Supreme Court ruled in 1982 in Nixon v. Fitzgerald that Presidents are absolutely immune from civil damages for his official acts.

[sam sarrha]

27. not if their actions were Illegal at the time

[fascisthunter]

29. .

[AZ Criminal JD]

30. Sorry you are wrong

But have fun in court if that is your belief.

[sam sarrha]

21. every injured vet, every Iraqi and American widow should sue criminal negligent homicide

[laylah]

23. I have wondered about that

for a very long time. A class action suit against *Dumbass et al filed by WE, THE PEOPLE. I think Jerry Spence would be a terrific man to try, and win, the case! Or, maybe Mr. Fitzgerald?

[zorahopkins]

33. Sue Them Then IMPRISON Them

Sue Bush and Cheney for everything they have and for everything they will EVER have.

Then indict and convict them.

Then throw them into jail.

A cell in Guantanamo would be quite suitable for both of them.

And let their guards be some of the people that have been waterboarded at Guantanamo!!

[Zorra]

36. I think you may have mistakenly typed "suit" instead of "war".

But maybe not.
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