Mom: Police Told Daughter To Stop Calling Before Murder-Suicide

[alfredo]

http://www.local6.com/news/15330073/detail.html


DELAND, Fla. -- A Central Florida woman whose 17-year-old daughter was killed in a murder-suicide apparently committed by her ex-boyfriend said the teen was told by police to stop calling for help or she'd be arrested.

Police said Clay Coffner shot his estranged girlfriend in the head outside her DeLand home Friday before turning the gun on himself.
Hall's mother, Sherry, said her daughter was concerned about Coffner and informed police.

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So much for protect and serve. Remember the woman who called the police for help and they arrested and strip searched her. Wasn't that Florida too?

[dkf]

1. You know...sometimes you have to be able to defend yourself.

[alfredo]

4. She has the right to defend herself, but she also pays taxes for police

protection. These guys just didn't want to be bothered by some hysterical girl.

[niyad]

7. I wonder what the police respond would be to a man calling about his ex-girlfriend

anybody remember the response of the police when nicole simpson called, in fear of her life from her ex?

[alfredo]

11. OJ was too "famous" for them.

[niyad]

17. the way the police fawned over him, and let him go, was sickening

[alfredo]

18. Yeah, they embarrassed themselves.

[truedelphi]

21. Nicole died for the system's sins

Many cities and townships have now instigated much better procedures AFTER Nicole's senseless murder than they operated on Before her murder. (And Ron had to die too!)

In 1991 & '92, San Rafael CA was a nightmare for me and my family. A stalker terrorized us for eighteen months, with the cops saying that they needed a body before they would assist me.

Even though we had plenty of outsidesr as witnesses to dath threats, etc.

However if the stalker's target had been the daughter or wife of a SR cop, things would have been very different.

[dkf]

8. We shouldn't have to protect ourselves, but if I were in this situation

I would want a gun for backup if the cops didn't show up.

[alfredo]

13. Because of funding cuts from the Feds and that many of our local police

(and firemen) are deployed Nat Guard, it is hard to find a cop to respond in our town.

[LeftyMom]

30. The last thing this country needs is more armed teenagers.

Jesus. :eyes:

[comradebillyboy]

5. yes, one certainly can't depend on the police for protection

and we do have a right to defend ourselves and our families. Thats why I advocate gun owner rights and one of the reasons that I am at the range twice a month. And just like Gov. Richardson, I have a concealed carry permit.

[LeftyMom]

6. How exactly is a 17 year old girl supposed to do that?

Children are supposed to be able to rely on adults for protection. The adults here failed. That is not the fault of the child.

[comradebillyboy]

9. too true

it seems that the police lack any accountability and consider themselves above the law

[Recursion]

14. Police are not required to protect you

They'll generally try to do it if they can, but it's not their job and you have no legal right to expect that they will.

[niyad]

15. on the police cars here "to serve and PROTECT"

[Recursion]

19. Ironic, isn't it?

The "protection" they offer is to the community as a whole by deterring crime. The courts have ruled several times that an individual citizen does not have the right to expect protection by the Police.

[treestar]

26. The problem with it is that they will then demand the powers they

need to protect us. That would include police state powers. So we are better off taking our chances.

Look at all they have done to "protect us" from future 911s. It all boils down to that we have to take our chances of being a victim of a new 911, which is low, rather than give up our freedoms, which would make our lives insupportable, and not worth preserving, so that taking your chances of a new 911 is actually better than living under a government with enough powers to "protect us" from it. That government would be able to make our lives so miserable, that the odds of a new 911 victimizing us are worth taking.

Same with crime. True, it is horrible. But the powers we would have to give the Executive Branch, the police, to prevent it, would not be worth it. It could still happen, and we would be living in the misery of a police state.

Ben Franklin said it best.

[dkf]

10. No I'm not saying she was obligated to. I'm saying that

sometimes relying on our government to protect us will land up in us being dead.

[LeftyMom]

12. But what else is a child supposed to do?

She can't go all Action Movie Superstar on somebody, she's a teenage girl.

[dkf]

25. No no. I'm not talking about her, I'm talking about if it happens to any of us.

That we should think about alternatives to depending on the police. Cuz frankly, I don't think it works all that well.

[LulaMay]

22. What a hurtful and insensitive thing to say. She's dead, a young girl. Unbelievable.

Sometimes I wonder what is wrong with some people on this site.

"Some hysterical girl"????

You have no heart.

[dkf]

34. Oh for gawds sakes, of course I feel awful about it.

This post is for those people who think that cops can protect us from crazy ex boyfriends on suicide missions.

[frylock]

27. she was SEVENTEEN fucking years old..

DU rules preclude me from stating my opinion of you.

[Winterblues]

28. Not everyone is a gun fanatic

Some people detest guns and all they represent..But you are correct in that there are self defense programs available to people that think they will be involved in violence.

[AX10]

2. Lowly bureaucrats..

have never served a positive purpose in society.

[pitohui]

3. wow sounds like something that could and has happened in louisiana

i always heard that in other parts of the country "things have changed" apparently this is not the case and the police are as reluctant to help victims as they ever were

what an awful case and i feel for this woman having received threats (one even recorded) and having been given the old "fuck you" from local police myself

we're on our own, it seems :-(

[niyad]

16. I would be talking to attorneys about a lawsuit right about now.

[alfredo]

20. And a cell with the sheriff who dumped that paraplegic onto the ground.

[Mugu]

23. Anybody that knows me will tell you that I have no love for police.

However, the article said something to the effect that the police had told the young woman to quit calling. That gives the impression that the police had received numerous calls before. Perhaps she keep calling but refused to press any charges (such as stalking) or to get a restraining order (or who knows what) thus frustrating police efforts to do something.

Or maybe the police just don't care about young women.

With only the facts presented, there is no way to actually know what events actually transpired. As such I am unwilling to condemn either party. I still remember the Duke Lacrosse fiasco.

Regards, Mugu

[pitohui]

31. victims don't file/press charges, DAs press/file charges

i've been stalked more than once having lived so long and i can tell you that, in my state, victims don't decide to file or press charges, DAs decide to file charges

maybe it's different in florida but i don't know why it would be, seems like it would be chaos if anyone who wanted could file a criminal charge against anyone else

[alfredo]

35. They don't respond until there is an actual crime being committed.

They should have sent someone out to talk to her and her parents.

[PeaceNikki]

24. That's one of the saddest things ever,

:(

[havocmom]

29. saddly, a restraining order is just a suspect list for police investigations when someone is killed

Too often, such calls just not taken seriously, and same goes with a restraining order in place.

And police departments have won case after case when victims have tried to sue because a long response time resulted in injury or death.

The police are not obligated to save everyone. Sad but true. Also true, they simply can't be everywhere they are needed.

Self defense is a sad thing to have to face, but reality for many people.

Deepest condolences to the young lady's family.

So very sad that stuff like this keeps happening. I fear it will increase as it seems there is movement by a portion of the population back to the notion that females are property and if they don't 'behave' as expected/ordered, they have to pay.

We are a very sick society.

[barbtries]

32. i don't know

but there are a lot of bad stories coming out of Florida. this shocking scenario occurs too often.

[Karenina]

33. FLORIDA is quite FUBAR...