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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:02 PM
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F*CK the "Angry White Man".
I got one of THOSE e-mails today.

Some of you may have also gotten it in your InBox recently - apparently it's making the rounds.

It was an article from the February 9 Aspen (CO) Times Weekly entitled, "In Election 2008, Don't Forget Angry White Man" by a Gary Hubbell, who I assume is not a happy black woman. Full article available HERE, if you can stomach it.

It's one helluva piece of work, all right. Every bit as bad a chunk of political "analysis" as you would expect, and then some. A paean to the racist, misogynistic, homophobic "he-man" that every right-wing fucktard idolizes as the platonic ideal of masculinity and secretly wants to fellate.

How to sum up the offensiveness of this article? I don't know that I can. All I can do is quote it to demonstrate its odiousness, trying my damnedest to stay within the DU guidelines for article quoting.


His common traits are that he isn’t looking for anything from anyone — just the promise to be able to make his own way on a level playing field. In many cases, he is an independent businessman and employs several people. He pays more than his share of taxes and works hard.


Oh, and of course, he's White. And a Man. And, dare I say, Angry. Because all black folks, and Asians, and women and, I guess, non-angry-people are looking to take advantage of the good nature of the "Angry White Man".

He believes the Constitution is to be interpreted literally, not as a “living document” open to the whims and vagaries of a panel of judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives.


Really? Well, then, the "Angry White Man" must be simply SCREAMING for the democrats to regain the White house! Because, I don't know if anyone's looked lately? But the "literal interpreters" like Scalia and Thomas and Roberts and Alito? Yeah. They don't really seem to give a shit about the constitution. Whether it's unconstitutionally installing a president by Judicial fiat, or allowing the president to issue thousands of signing statements (a concept I don't really see anywhere in MY copy of the Constitution) to subvert the laws drafted by the Congress, the republican-appointed members of the judiciary from the Supremes on down have been a nightmare.

Curiously, the author fails to address the gang-raping of the constitution that has occurred since Federalist Society Membership became a pre-requisite for Judicial service. Hmm. Go figure.

The Angry White Man owns firearms, and he’s willing to pick up a gun to defend his home and his country. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone who needs killing really doesn’t bother him.

The Angry White Man is not a metrosexual, a homosexual or a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina — he got his people together and got the hell out, then went back in to rescue those too helpless and stupid to help themselves, often as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter.



Ok. This is just too fucking stupid to comment on. Let's keep moving.

No, wait.

I have a question for those "Angry White Men" who sit around their basement oiling the long, firm barrels of their high-powered guns that are in NO WAY a substitute for anything Freudian at all:

Exactly WHAT would the government have to do to that constitution before the "Angry White Men" would load up their guns and go out and "use that second amendment to defend all the others"?

  • Start illegally eavesdropping on our communications without warrants in violation of the 4th amendment?
  • Disallow effective political protest and free assembly by creating so-called "free speech zones" - fenced in areas completely removed from any attention by the subject of said protest or the media?
  • Force people to incriminate themselves in direct violation of the 5th amendment by engaging in forms of torture that were used in the Spanish Inquisition, and for which we EXECUTED Japanese torturers after WWII?
  • Shitcan the 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments by detaining AMERICAN CITIZENS for years without access to attorneys, in subhuman conditions,and without a trial?


Let me know when I should stop. It seems to me that the "Angry White Male" would only ever use his guns to defend one specific amendment: the one that grants him the right to OWN his high-powered, death-dealin' penile proxy.

Sorry. Back to the article.

Women either love him or hate him, but they know he’s a man, not a dishrag. If they’re looking for someone to walk all over, they’ve got the wrong guy. He stands up straight, opens doors for women and says “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am.”

He might be a Republican and he might be a Democrat; he might be a Libertarian or a Green. He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.

He’s not a racist, but he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race. He’s willing to give everybody a fair chance if they work hard, play by the rules and learn English.


Yes, you read that right. "...he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race."

Stereotypes like, perhaps, racism? Misogyny? Homophobia? A lack of self-awareness so profound it makes Irony itself break down and start cutting its wrists like a 14-year-old emo girl?

Here's the deal: The "Angry White Man" (and the supposed "literal interpreters of the Constitution" he worships on the Supreme court) gave us the 8-year-long rolling clusterfuck known as the George W. Bush administration.

I think the "Angry White Man" referenced in this article should sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and let the commie pinko liberals, the nig'ras, the wimmens, the messicans, the queers, and everyone else who isn't an "Angry White Man" fix the fucking shitstorm of a mess he created.


FUCK the "Angry White Man".

- KnaveRupe, an angry man who happens to be white.


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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:06 PM
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1. Should be titled "Don't Forget Angry White Man With a Tiny Little Prick"
Obviously, KnaveRupe, this does not describe you.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:23 PM
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13. ?
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:35 PM
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21. Obviously.
I am often told I am a HUGE prick.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:06 PM
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2. Hm. The Constitution is not a living document ....
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:07 PM by Buzz Clik
He believes the Constitution is to be interpreted literally, not as a “living document” open to the whims and vagaries of a panel of judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives.


This is a dead giveaway -- the author might as well say, "I am a stupid, knuckledragging asshole who thinks only of myself. I've got mine, fuck you!" No point in even arguing with that level of intellect.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:09 PM
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4. Cool. So he does not believe in the 2nd Amendment.
He can't. That was, after all, an update, an amendment if you will, to the original Constitution. No pesky Bill of Rights for Mr. Angry White Man!

mikey_the_rat
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:16 PM
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He also, as a direct conclusion of his own logic, cannot support the "election" of GW Bush in 2000.
Except he does. How inconvenient that the angry white man is forced to actually think and defend himself.

Who the hell do I think I am anyway? Why, I must be some sort of uppity... white guy. Damn. Nothing works.
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143tbone Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:16 PM
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11. Well, that was pretty damn disgusting.
This writer obviously thought he was describing admirable traits in a man. Yet, this is what is wrong with America. And I know right wingers would just be aghast at a statement like this.
Find your common ground, they say. I think not.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:17 PM
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12. "And I know right wingers would just be aghast at a statement like this." Yep.
Gratefully, this breed of idiot is common on the internet but rare in real life.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:09 PM
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51. "I am a stupid, knuckledragging asshole who thinks only of myself. I've got mine, fuck you!"
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:12 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
That's actually the title of next weeks article.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:28 PM
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70. That should be his tag line -- like "Good night and good luck."
"I'm Gary Hubbell. I've got mine, so fuck you."
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:08 PM
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3. This angry white man is pissed off
at the short sighted lunatic that could compose such simplistic trash!:grr: Go back to school ass hole and enlighten your self!:grr:
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:10 PM
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5. There are a bunch of these kind of dudes on this very website, unfortunately.
They talk a fairly progressive game until the subject of guns or big trucks comes up.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:41 PM
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37. Ohh..., Guns
Shiny. What were we talking about?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:11 PM
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52. Bullshit on that.
Whether or not posters own a gun or drive a truck, we all care about more than one amendment and in no way resemble the idiotic thinking from that email. But, how can I argue with the venerable wisdom of someone who's studied the site an entire week before passing such judgement, lol.
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:23 PM
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58. Certainly I don't mean everyone who likes guns and/or trucks fits this description.
Far from it. It's just that, where such a personality does reveal itself, guns or trucks are often the catalyst.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:10 PM
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6. Limpballs read the racist, sexist shit in it's entirety today on air.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:12 PM
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7. NO SEX THREADS!
As far as this angry white man goes, 'fuck the angry white man' IS a no sex thread.

:(
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:12 PM
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8. I don't think so.
As an aside, the angry white man is usually a lousy lay, too. Oh. You didn't mean that literally? Well, that's a relief.

I sincerely wish that particular type of white man would wise up to the fact that there are very rational women, that his children aren't his property, that the level playing field has to be level for everyone, and that his bigotry and assumption of superiority and homophobia and misogyny are the biggest problems that face the need for change.

Organisms that don't adapt end up extinct........
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:13 PM
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9. Way to waste all that energy on the dumbest email crap ever
Let it go, Obi-Wan.
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:32 PM
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20. Except this wasn't JUST an e-mail screed.
An actual print newspaper paid an actual columnist to write this. Granted, the Aspen Times Weekly ain't the Washington Post, but still.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:13 PM
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10. As a white man, I am deeply offended by this article
What a disgusting piece of tripe. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And the attack on Hillary at the end was garbage to boot. What a fucking disgrace!!!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:40 PM
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23. oops!
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:46 PM by Iris
but it warms my heart that as a man, you're offended!

:loveya:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM
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14. F*CK the "Angry White Man"?
Well, that might make him less angry. He'll probably be just as white, though. Hope that's not a problem.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM
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15. Thousands of lonely, divorced, broke alcoholics nationwide
will pick up this article and go, "Yeah, that's me!"
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:24 PM
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16. As a woman, this part pissed me off:
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:25 PM by Mad_Dem_X
"He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner."

Yes, because a woman can't make decisions that affect the family! The man is HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD, and no one better question that.

Fuck that shit.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:44 PM
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26. what about this: "spend a few bucks at a strip club once in a blue moon"
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:47 PM by Iris
but I guess he does say "yes ma'am" to the strippers at least!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:32 PM
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35. He's talking about the Stepford wife that he found
He's too chickenshit to mate with a real woman.
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:26 PM
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17. Yes I Got one This Morning
I have this person, well actually two people that keep sending me this kind of crap. One sends me this and another always sends something making fun of Hillary. I have suggested they both stop because I am on a different page but they just keep it up. This has now caused me to have an epiphany. Republican men are stupid!
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:04 PM
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73. hit "reply all"
copy the original post for this thread, paste it into your reply.

then sit back while you, literally, hear their heads explode...

good fun, i tell ya'!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:26 PM
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18. LMFAO... "judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives."
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:50 PM by walldude
You know when I went down to the courthouse to ask to be a judge, those crazy fuckers wanted a guy who went to college for 4 years, law school for 4 years, they wanted intership at a law firm and 10 years experience as a lawyer. I showed them this article where it said I'd never have to work an honest day in my life but it just made them.... angry. Great, more angry white guys.. :rofl: :rofl:


On edit: I just read the whole piece.. Funny as hell. Guy talking about the angry white working man. Typing his shit from behind a desk in Aspen Colorado. :rofl:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:26 PM
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19. For 4 years, the entire Republican playbook has been organized around running against Hillary
If we give them Obama, their anger will be diffused, and they will be panicking to throw together a playbook at the last minute.
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Mac128 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:42 PM
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24. Angry White Man On The Decline?
I think the real question is how big a threat is the Angry White Man? Obama's popularity (indeed I expect him to get the majority delegates first), seems to indicate the Angry White Man is losing momentum. Oh I know a few myself, but it seems talk (and talk via the internet) is TRULY cheap. And thank God for that! Of course all it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch and do something stupid (but the same can be said of the extreme Left as well), but really, how seriously do we have to take the irate rantings of a frustrated Republican? I have conservative friends who still tow the Bush doctored GOP line in the face of such obvious deficiencies in his administration, so they have to BLAME someone else.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:37 PM
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22. This is simply pathetic.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:39 PM by Iris
How do these ideas even relate in this paragraph?

"The victimhood syndrome buzzwords — “disenfranchised,” “marginalized” and “voiceless” — don’t resonate with him. “Press ‘one’ for English” is a curse-word to him. He’s used to picking up the tab, whether it’s the company Christmas party, three sets of braces, three college educations or a beautiful wedding."

what's victimhood got to do with paying for a wedding?

But KnaveRupe - your stuff is right on target!
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:43 PM
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25. self-delete
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:44 PM by FarceOfNature
LOL that was mean even for me :evilgrin:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:46 PM
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27. The angry white man is smart enough to know that he's being cheated,
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 03:46 PM by Marr
yet stupid enough to believe people like Limbaugh when they tell him it's liberals, women, and minorities that are cheating him-- not corporate America.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:47 PM
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28. How many "Angry White Men" enlisted after 9/11
"The Angry White Man owns firearms, and he’s willing to pick up a gun to defend his home and his country. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone who needs killing really doesn’t bother him."


I bet the military would gladly welcome this guy into the armed forces in some capacity esp. given he's gun-ho about defending this country. Even if he's not fit enough to serve the front lines I imagine he could serve in some administrative function. However, I bet this moron like 99.9% of Free Republic is much happier performing combat from a keyboard than actually putting their ass on the line.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:51 PM
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29. Let's hear it for the angry white man
Yes, they all have this incredible sense of entitlement for being at the top of the economic and social food chains. However, most of them haven't seen any of this entitlement in their working lives. It's only in the churches and at home that he has any sense of what he grew up expecting, the world at his feet and an uncomplaining, unpaid domestic servant to take care of him.

I don't wonder that they're angry. White males have taken the greatest economic beating of all, their wages falling while the wages of women and minorities rose a little. I just wish they weren't so blinkered and pig ignorant, blaming everybody but the people responsible for their predicament.

The GOP supplied them all with people to be angry at: women, minorities, undocumented workers, gays, abortionists, and the list goes on. Had the Democrats not turned conservative in 1969 and taken working class economic issues off the table, they might have gotten a few more sensible targets for all that rage.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:52 PM
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30. Well, that might make him less angry ...
at least until the paternity suit is filed. ;-)
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 03:54 PM
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31. Count me in as one more "Angry White Man"
Yeah, angry all right...totally appalled at the drivel in that piece. My, he must have used as many as two or even three brain cells to compose that article.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:00 PM
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32. I am waiting for the day my White Male relatives come to the farm for refuge.
"Angry White Man" Bushbot,self righteous idiots. On that day I intend to be angry. Blood may be thicker than water but so is grease.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:05 PM
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33. Oh, Christ, the Mythical American Manly Man, yet again. What a guy he is; I especially like
the part about how he singlehandedly shovels the 50 tons of coal into the frieght car, drives the train to the power station and, I assume, runs out and welds together the high-tension towers and strings the wires on them himself, presumably faster than the speed of light, so he's all done before the electricity can even get there, just so them homo pansies and Meskins and lezzy broads and non-gun-totin' librul tree-huggin pussies he's so angry about can turn their teevees on to that goddam librul PBS that's ruinin our fine country.

I got ten bucks, right here, that says that Mister Gary Fuckwad Hubbell didn't even write that column himself. I absolutely guaranteed it was fed to him by some rightwing "think tank" type of organization.

Open invitation to any DUer: find the connection. Prove that I'm right, and that he did not write that himself, and I'll send you the ten bucks in the mail. Then I'll devote an entire day to publicizing that fact, anywhere and everywhere that might get that shit-for-brains excuse for a "journalist" exposed for the lying, racist piece of shit that he is.

Redstone

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Serenades Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:22 PM
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34. Please!
Please tell me that article is satire.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:35 PM
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36. Taken as gospel by typical RW nutters. Hannity even read it on the air yesterday.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:51 PM
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46. What were his observations about it? Does Hannity also spend money on occasion in strip clubs?
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:45 PM
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38. I hear the "white men are hated" whine from lots of white men in my area
Of course they're all republican, and think that they are somehow discriminated against because progressives support equal rights for minorities. Never mind the fact that as a white male, I was born with a built in advantage. It's easier for me to get a job. It's easier for me to make more money. I have so many advantages over minorities, and this asshole has the temerity to complain?

Angry white men my ass - they're angry because they see their monopolistic control on society, finances and government slipping through their fingers if they elect progressive Democrats. Well fuck these angry white men. If they want a paternalistic dictatorship they can move to Saudi Arabia where the uppity women are kept in their place.
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:49 PM
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39. I'm not in the NRA, and dont agree with most of that article, but...
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 05:44 PM by onbudsman
I do think there is a bigger picture here, that the Democratic party does at times seem to go out of it's way to stick it's finger in the eye of the white male, with immigration levels, H-1b visas, WEO, NAFTA, MFN-China etc, all of which went in on a Democrat presidency. Combined with an attitude toward white males of 'you are overprivilaged', you do wonder how hard they are fighting for your interests on the issues I mentioned. Perhaps when I trained my H-1b replacement, I was being 'relieved of my excess privilage'?

Democrats say 'get with the program' to members who are dissatisfied, and many just drop out. I actually knew a few democrats that 'demanded' that I vote for Kerry. Well, I didnt, and he lost. The last time I voted was 1996 (for clinton), and it's the last time a Democrat won As long as the Democrat favors increasing H-1b visas, the next time I vote Democrat is never * (I havnt voted republican either, never have)

Prior to elections, I'm told 'you're not that important.'

After elections, I'm told 'its your fault we lost'

which is it?

* (how on G-d's green earth can you justify increassing H-1b at a time like this, as Obama, Edwards and Clinton all do?)

I think Democrats have *no business* saying 'f-ck white males' after losing 2 tie elections. You think you're getting away with that attitude. I'm telling you you're not, and more importantly, you wont

Bush didnt win by the guys who voted Bush. He won by the guys that didnt vote kerry
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:36 PM
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40. So when you get tombstoned, you just sign up again with a similar-sounding username?
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:37 PM
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41. Hey Angry Boy - Bush Didn't Win
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Serenades Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:38 PM
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42. Seriously
Honestly, for the most part, white men rule the galaxy. What else do you want?
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:44 PM
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43. So, you're not voting Republican and you voted Dem in 1996
What are you doing here?


Except misspelling Ombudsman and being provocative to no good cause.

I'm a "White Male" and I've never felt that the Democratic party ever said Fuck you to me. In fact I'm an old, cranky white guy. Got got my official card in the mail and the author of the rant officially PISSED ME OFF. He is saying "Fuck the Constitution, Fuck everyone." What a hoser!
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:47 PM
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45. what am i doing here?
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:08 PM by onbudsman
i'm telling you why (in my opinion) you are losing

there's no more important information for a party to know, if you miss winning

but the party seems very hostile to criticism of ANY kind, regardless of how valid

I voted Perot in 1992. I wouldnt have voted Bush Sr, but as a whole, it's Perot voters that put Clinton up to bat in the first place. I didnt like the globalist direction in 1996, but the budget was improving on Clinton's watch, so he got the vote. Then I got stabbed in the back with H-1b, and sat out 2000 & 2004, watching gore & kerry (who supported H-1b) lose

I feel those of my sentiment have had an influence in the outcome of every election since 1992

ignore us at your peril
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:16 PM
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54. Sounds to me like you share the blame for the Iraq War and everything else chimpy has done.
You couldn't be bothered to vote in 2000 and 2004 and you have the nerve to say the Democrats are at fault?

I got my butt down to the polls and voted Democratic in 2000, 2004, and every other election since 1984. You sat around pissing and moaning about your rights.
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:22 PM
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57. yes, the iraq war was my fault
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:22 PM by onbudsman
because as a senator i voted for.. oh wait! I'm not a Senator!

That would be Clinton and Edwards who voted for it (Edwards cosponsoring the resolution with neocon Lieberman)

you give them a pass for trusting bush, yet blame me as a lowly citizen for not having more clarvoience than them?

which is it?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:00 PM
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47. You haven't voted since '96?
And yet you bother to post on a prominent political message board to stir up shit? Does not compute.
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:04 PM
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48. it's over your head
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:06 PM by onbudsman
because legitimate dissent is something you dont understand

perhaps scarecrow would have been a better handle for you
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:09 PM
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50. With all due respect, bite me.
If I wasn't interested in legitimate dissent, I wouldn't be a Democrat, and I wouldn't be here.
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:11 PM
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53. but only dissent from those you agree with
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:15 PM by onbudsman
right?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:19 PM
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55. I don't mind if your opinion differs from mine
I do mind that you claim to be apathetic over voting, but you still want to piss in everyone else's corn flakes. If you aren't even going to attempt to vote to try to make things any better, why come on here and bitch about how much we're supposed to fear other apathetic cretins? I certainly don't fear YOUR apathy.
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:24 PM
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60. you dont fear my apathy
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:29 PM by onbudsman
yet, you blame me for bush being president

you're not adding it up

voting isnt the only way to influence policy

i went to my reps and senators offices and every political candidate about H-1b

and to my shock, Senator Chuck Grassley actually has done something about it, investigating severe abuses of it and proposing reforms that you cant lay off americans and cry shortage
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:27 PM
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62. I didn't blame you for Bush being president
But I do blame you for thinking voting isn't worth your while.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:38 PM
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:09 PM
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67. What the hell?
I think Democrats have *no business* saying 'f-ck white males' after losing 2 tie elections. You think you're getting away with that attitude. I'm telling you you're not, and more importantly, you wont


You completely missed the point. Do you understand the difference between

Fuck you, white males! We Democrats don't need your steenking votes! We only want the votes of women and minorities!

and

Fuck you, you ignorant, racist, misogynist fuckheads who are angry at all the "lazy shiftless negroes", and the "disrespectful, backtalkin' women", and the "family-destroying homos" and all the other bogeymen that exist primarily in your closed little mind.


See, your response indicates that you heard the former, while everyone else here heard the latter.

If the only possible way we as a party can win is by pandering to the "Angry White Man" described in this article, then stick a fork in this country - it ain't worth saving.
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onbudsman Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:16 PM
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69. what the hell, indeed
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 07:27 PM by onbudsman
more like, if there's a difference between

'
Fuck you, white males! We Democrats don't need your steenking votes! We only want the votes of women and minorities! '

and

'We need to raise H-1b visa'
sincerely, Hillary, Edwards & Obama

during a recession and with this crap below going on, you've got me

blatent discrimination against American workers, and they support the program


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

watch the youtube if you've never seen it, it's unreal
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:45 PM
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44. I wonder how much health insurance for his employees is costing these days?
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 05:45 PM by yardwork
His common traits are that he isn’t looking for anything from anyone — just the promise to be able to make his own way on a level playing field. In many cases, he is an independent businessman and employs several people. He pays more than his share of taxes and works hard.

Most of the independent businessmen in my area have gone out of business, unable to afford paying health insurance for their employees.

And this one would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic and dumb:

He’s not a racist, but he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race. He’s willing to give everybody a fair chance if they work hard, play by the rules and learn English.

I guess in my case, I "exhibit behavior" that "typifies" being homosexual, which the Angry White Man is also against.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:07 PM
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49. They're like petulent, spoiled, little BULLIES who've resent being
told to behave like civilized human beings. Imagine a little boy, the apple of his parents' eye, spoiled rotten, never disciplined. Probably puts lit fire-crackers up frogs butts when his parents aren't looking. Now this little boy goes to day care where he isn't treated like a little prince, is just another kid like any other, and is expected to interact civilly with the other children. Suddenly all the rules change for him as he is being told:

"Play nicely.
Don't hit.
Don't kick.
Don't call names.
Stop harassing little Suzie and Neddie.
Don't break things.
Clean up that mess you made.
Share the toys with everybody. They belong to everybody.
Get your hand out of the cookie jar."


That boy is going to be angry and see such demands as unreasonable. He'll throw violent, nasty tantrums. That's exactly what our spoiled, privileged, angry white males are experiencing. And they're throwing tantrums. By the way, I'm not talking about all white males. That should be obvious. Just the spoiled, nasty, racist, misogynist, homophobic ones like the one who wrote that email.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:23 PM
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59. Hint - if it's not obvious to someone that you're *not* talking about all white men
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 06:58 PM by sleebarker
that's probably a clue that you're dealing with someone who has at least a medium latent amount of racism, misogyny, and homophobia and is in denial about it.

Like last night I asked my husband why some guys are so quick to throw out accusations of reverse sexism and man-hating when a woman brings up sexism. He said, "The best defense is a good offense." and that they were projecting their own sexism.

OMG! Always always carefully proofread, because sometimes accidentally leaving out one word totally changes the meaning. I meant *NOT* talking about all white men.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:29 PM
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63. Good point. I think your husband is right. nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:20 PM
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56. Wow. Just wow.
n/t
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:26 PM
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61. Why is it that "Angry White Men" are always Right Wing Cry Babies?
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:32 PM
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64. is he chuck norris, or sylvester stallone? ahnold or larry the cable guy?
this angry white guy, did he write the song that says something about "if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn"
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:56 PM
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66. I find this funny.
"The victimhood syndrome buzzwords — “disenfranchised,” “marginalized” and “voiceless” — don’t resonate with him. “Press ‘one’ for English” is a curse-word to him. He’s used to picking up the tab, whether it’s the company Christmas party, three sets of braces, three college educations or a beautiful wedding."

Isn't the ENTIRE FUCKING ARTICLE a cry of "Those Poor, Poor White Men!"?
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:14 PM
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68. I agree with you, however,
the line about "cutting your wrists like an emo girl" was a little offensive.

I'm a cutter (trying to stop), and I'm not "emo".

I totally get your point though. Sorry about that little bit of nitpicking.
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KnaveRupe Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:46 PM
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72. My apologies for my ham-fisted rhetoric.
Certainly no offense was intended towards cutters, emo or otherwise.

I used to know a girl (tangentially) who was a cutter - she always blamed the scars on her parrot. Always felt bad for her, and for the bird. Good luck trying to stop. I can't claim to understand the specifics of cutting, but I can definitely sympathize with not being able to easily stop a behavior you know is destructive.

Guess that little bit of empathy makes me a "dishrag" in the eyes of all those "Angry White Men". Oh well.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:09 PM
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75. It's OK.
"Angry White Men" are assclowns.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 08:38 PM
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71. Speaking as an entirely different type of angry white man...
Fuck this ass-backwards Republican propaganda. I gotta agree with Redstone, that crap was probably slapped together by the schmucks at some right-wing "think tank."

I am angry when people don't get fair treatment because of their gender, sexual orientation, or the color of their skin. I am angry when Republicans loot the country's treasury to give kickbacks to their corporate friends. I am angry when they allow manufacturers to outsource American jobs in the name of the almighty dollar, rather than providing the workers with living wages. I am angry that we don't have a universal health care system. I am angry that we're still getting this shit in the 21st fucking century!!!

The Republican "angry white man" is somewhat pitiable, for in addition to being stupid, he has been brainwashed by years upon years of mass-produced propaganda. However, he should be on notice that spouting hate speech like this will draw harsh reactions from "angry white men" like me.

And God help the Republican "angry white man" who commits violence against members of these groups he hates so much, for men like me will not, shall not, and cannot tolerate that.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 09:40 PM
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74. Thanks for posting this and the refutation.
Because you posted it my ignore list just got bigger by a factor of ten.
You, not among those on it.

But certainly some noob respondents who seem to think that a love of big trucks, unlimited big guns, cheap oil, fast women and a desire to show off their "Angry White Male" credentials will endear them to some of us really cranky old bastards (and bitches - and I use that in the most respectful way) who post here.
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