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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:01 PM
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I want to tell you two true stories and let you take what you want from them. My purpose is to help young people understand a little more about this nation, just a generation ago.

In the late summer of 1966 I hitch-hiked from Washington, DC to Miami Florida. It took me two days to make the trip. Very little of the current Interstate system had been completed yet, there was probably only 100 miles of I-95 of the whole distance and so the route south wondered around the country. I got lucky somewhere in the Carolinas and got a ride with somebody that was going far south. Unfortunately they were also going west, but that didn't concern me much. So the morning of the second day found me in Alabama rather than Georgia. I got a ride that was going bad and when they stopped for gas I got out and walked, outside of the small town I was picked up by a black family in a very old Ford. An older man was driving, his wife and one daughter were in the front, I was in the back with two other daughters and one suckling infant. They were afraid for me. They told me I had been lucky to get through the town with out being jailed as a vagrant. They told me it would have gone badly for me on the county farm. They then drove 100 miles out of their way to get me out of Alabama. The dropped me off over the Georgia line, where they said I was safe to continue my journey. That's it.

Second story: In the spring of 1971 I rode a motorcycle I had just bought from Miami, Florida to Wheaton, Maryland. I was young and in no hurry, the trip took me three days. The second night I stopped at a rest area on I-95 in southern Virginia. It was dark when I stopped and I recall that it was quite cold. I pulled the bike up to a pick-nick table and parked it, took an Army Blanket out of my pack and slept on the bench of the table with the nearby engine providing a bit of heat. The morning was beautiful and it warmed as quickly as it got light. At the next pick-nick table over from where I had slept there was a lady with four children of mixed race. They were having a pick-nick breakfast, their van was parked in the closest slot. They invited me to join them, which I did. They didn't have much, I think there were some cold biscuits and some ham, I think they may have given me a coke. The lady, who was white was traveling with her e daughters and her young son, the oldest daughter, who was the darkest, was about 14. They were wonderful children. The lady told me they were going to some relatives place around the great lakes, she would get a job there. They had enough money to make the trip, but there would be no frills. They had stopped the night before at a booming motel, a place called "South of the Border" which was near the state line. They would not rent her a room because of her black daughter. That is how they found their way to our rest stop. That's the second story.

Make of them what you will, I just wanted you to know how it was back then - not so very long ago.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:07 PM
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1. every day is just another yesterday to tomorrow....
don't you wish things would change for the better, faster in our lifetimes?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:07 PM
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2. Here more stories of not so long ago.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 06:18 PM by uppityperson
My mother could not get a diaphram unless she could prove she was married, or soon to be. 1950's

When I was in high school 2 friends got pregnant. 1 went to an Unwed Mother's Home and gave up her baby for adoption. The other traveled across the country to New York to get a legal abortion since there was no such thing as a safe medical abortion within 2000 miles unless you knew the right person and had the right money. Early 1970's

When I went to college I loved math, was told I could become a math teacher since I was a girl and engineering was for men. mid-1970's

As Thom says, "Make of them what you will, I just wanted you to know how it was back then - not so very long ago."
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:16 PM
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4. but your stories are undated
was this 1972 or 1955? :hide:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:18 PM
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6. edited with dates "ish"
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:13 PM
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3. I feel I need another detail
Your own race, in the vagrancy case. I am just curious. Did the black family pick up a hiking white guy, and would the Sherrif have arrested a hiking white guy (of course, they did in Rambo)?

Also, is that an old spelling of "picnic"?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:17 PM
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5. Details
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 06:18 PM by ThomWV
I was (and of course am) white, 19-year-old, 110 pounds. I had a paper bag with my clothes in it, which was of pair of underware and socks, a pair of pants, and a second shirt. I had less than $5 cash on me.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:19 PM
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7. I recall very clearly when I was in the Navy
1966

Charleston, SC

Very common to see 'Colored Men' and 'Colored Women' very poorly (and clearly intentionally) whitewashed over at public restrooms.

I saw the very same thing, years later, in Chattannoga, TN .... maybe around 1975 or so.

All that aprospos of nothing.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:20 PM
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8. When I moved here, multi-cultural Toronto,
There were signs on Sunnybrook Beach saying "no dogs or Jews allowed." I heard a man tell a blonde and beautiful young woman speaking to her toddler in Dutch to "speak white."

I'm now in a city that is home to a lot of people from a lot of places; in fact, 50% of the population of Toronto (which is about 5 million in the Greater Toronto Area) are foreign-born. The KKK tried recruiting here, and has found it really heavy going. The man who proposed school vouchers while running for Premier was soundly and roundly defeated, in part because of the religious school slant to his campaign.

Things change, and they can change for the better really quickly.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:27 PM
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9. I ran into a college classmate downtown one day and asked if he wanted to get a cup of coffee.
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 06:31 PM by TahitiNut
He looked at me like I was from another planet and said that'd be a very bad idea. I asked why. He told me to look around at the face of people passing by. I did. The hatred was almost palpable on their faces - merely because I was being friendly to my classmate on the street.

You see, it was 1963 and downtown Mobile, Alabama. My classmate was one of about a dozen black students at the local Jesuit college - Spring Hill College. I'm a 'white' guy and (so I've been told many times) a "n_____-lover." (I'm proud to be a lover more than a fighter.)

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Harriet5555 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:30 PM
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10. Conservatives send left dates. You told us two stories which are great. I have a story about 2008.
I liked your post that showed how racist our country was to not rent a hotel room to a lady with a black child. For 15 years, I had no love life. Around the year 2000, I experienced what author David Lawson describes is happening to hundreds of whistle-blowers and social activists AND at least a dozen men a day began to flirt with me. I had no plastic surgery to account for this surge of attention. Did you or anyone else experience this? You might not be left enough for them to try to force you to date as they did to me.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:36 PM
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11. Did you know we can search on your other threads?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 07:30 PM
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12. Harriet dear, you turned 21...no longer jail bait...I heard of rape, I heard of date rape
but I have NEVER heard of 'forced dating'..how do they go about that exactly?
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