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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:13 AM
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McCain story: Was it also a warning shot across the bow of other pols?
Wire taps are NOT for terrorists and most of us know that. So, what does cheney know about all members of Senate and House? My guess, is he knows all the dirt and uses it to keep everybody in line. Sure, call me a tin foil-er, but so far, my worst theories have been surpassed by this gang of crooks.

FISA & Immunity for the Telecoms seems AWFULLY important to the puppet pResident. Think emails, people; they got erased from the administration machines, but... aren't there external servers involved too? Is is likely the TELECOMs might have some pretty damaging info at their fingertips too? If they are left with their asses in the wind, who might they turn on?

Blackmail is such a virulent disease. And cheney seems to be pretty serious about getting his way on immunity for his snitches. Could this outing of McCain be a warning to other pols?

I have to go out for a bit, so if I don't respond to anybody who replies, this isn't a shoot and run post, just an idea I would like to have kicked around. I'll get back to this later.

Toss this ball around if you have a mind to. Would like to explore this. The issue of how cheney gets so much compliance is important for people to explore.

We need reps who will stand up to bullies for us, even if it means they take a fall too. Bullies are cowards who count on others being cowards too. We need a few brave reps to call the bully's bluff.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:17 AM
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1. Possible
But why target McCain? And why so late in the primary season? If they wanted Romney (which I think they did) why not go after McCain when Romney is still in the campaign?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:04 PM
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4. Wonder if Mitt's campaign needed to buy time to round up support
Or maybe the GOP will trot out a Dark Horse. I have long feared that tactic: let the race wind down, then have the leader leave for some reason (I usually figured 'health') and bring out a photogenic, affable chap with not enough time left to really get any dirt on him out in the open.

And with a cheney and a Bush involved with Mitt's campaign, I wonder if he might be persuaded to jump back in if McCain takes on too much water. GOP knows the DEMS are gearing for the run against McCain. Tossing out someone else late in the race? Possible? Maybe. Definetely, a dark horse would be easier to run late. If the machine is already ready to fund... easy.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:06 PM
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14. I don't know, but if this damages McCain amongst so-called "values voters"
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 02:06 PM by Anarcho-Socialist
then the DNC might be sensing a chance for a comprehensive victory. Depending on what comes out about McCain, he may end up as a lame-duck candidate just as he's secured the GOP nomination.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:17 AM
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2. See--this is what I was thinking and posted as much in another thread
we need to be careful here. This may be the prelude of the launch of other stories against OUR candidates. The timing on this is very odd. Why not a couple of months ago? Why not wait until the GE? Very strange.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:17 AM
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3. I would have poo-pooed this before Valerie Plame, but no more.
How convenient for the RW to lambast the NYT--when it's quite obvious they have actively cooperated with them.

Tinfoil does my dye no favors, but you may have something.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:20 PM
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5. I keep thinking of the desperation on bush's face re Telecom Immunity
Vetoed the FISA bill that lacked that little perk for the enablers, so we know none of it is about the 'terraists'. Lots of lawmakers aren't following orders on the immunity issue. What would cheney not stoop to get his way? I don't think the man has any limits. Gotta get those other Mavericks back in line. What better way than to take down McCain to make a point.

Outed Plame = do anything to get his way.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:22 PM
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6. And to continually trash the Times while making them their useful idiots?
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 12:25 PM by blondeatlast
I'm glad the allegations about McCain came out, but am finding it increasingly difficult to believe that anything is coincidental anymore.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:55 PM
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7. I'll start believing in coincidence again when cheney does something that helps working Americans
You will notice, I am not holding my breath.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:30 PM
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8. Good--blue isn't your color...
:rofl:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:44 PM
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10. dat a fact
Still wondering how the rest of Congress is feeling about their personal secrets and little piles of dirty laundry.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:43 PM
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9. Oppo Research Is Done By All Candidates...
I'd be willing to bet if crashcart had any bad stuff on candidates, others had beat him too it. My bets are Morton Blackwell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Blackwell and his band of vermin are very busy right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they are involved with L'Affaire McCainne...the story was on Drudge's site last December.

Cheney has other powers that will get his way...he doesn't need to go J Edgar Hoover. In fact he's got an entire branch of government waiving executive privilidge and using the distraction of the election to continue his dirty work. If anything, McCain would be hs best hope to keep his war for profit going for 100 years (that has to give crashcart a chubby) and make his stock portfolio continue to grow.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:47 PM
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11. Not just candidates, I firmly believe cheney has files on anyone and everyone he might need
You don't really think tapping thousands of phones and just about all internet activity is about terrorists, do you? How do you think cheney GETS an entire branch of government to put up with the executive privilege sham?

Knowledge is power. Hoover's ghost is probably green with envy at the tools cheney has at his disposal.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:53 PM
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12. Actually All He Needs Are 50 Dossiers...
...all with GOOP Senator names on them. Somehow I get a feeling the "Specter" folder has pictures of magic bullets and little animals. All he needs is 41 votes in the Senate to keep anything from moving forward and we rarely see a GOOPer dare to break on any issue that involves crashcart's criminality.

Also...remember the Hitchcock theory. It's not "seeing the bomb" that scares the audience, but that they see the bomb and the victim doesn't. He shows he has a bomb and that's what keeps 'em in line.

My hopes are one day we'll FOIA the little room on Folsom Street...and let the lawsuits fly.

Cheers...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 01:56 PM
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13. nah, media people, anyone in an agency or anyone who may be appointed judge
hell, he probably keeps files on dog catchers.

LOTS of people affect reality. Best control them all when you are pulling off the biggest financial heist in history and using war crimes as a distraction.
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