The good, the bad, and the ugly list of bobthedrummer-A DU project

[bobthedrummer]

I'm handing out a list to DU. On it are names of people (living and dead) that have been discussed here for many years.

It is just a list of names I've been researching for many years, I'll be adding more of them later.

I have my personal opinions and biases about many of them-I've also changed my mind about some of them and need to hear what other DUers have to say in response to this list.

It is a random list, as you go through it and you feel you want to comment or respond in any way to a name on it please do so.

If you have questions about who these people are/were do an engine search for yourself-then post what you come up with.

This list will be added to, this is the first installment-and by all means don't hesitate to add your own list of names to it so that I can compare it to my list of heroes and villains, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Aldrich Hazen Ames
Dewey Claridge
Oliver North
Paul Redmond
William Casey
James Schlessinger
Richard Helms
Robert Philip Hanssen
Manucher Ghorbanifar
Prince Bandar
Amiriam Nir
Milt Beardon
Katherine Gun
Catherine Austin Fitts
Laila Helms
Tony Blair
William Colby
Frank Church
Jonathan Jay Pollard
Nalor Gilon
Steve Rosen
Kenneth Pollack
Pervez Musharraf
Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad
Gen. Rick Myers
Donald Rumsfeld
Douglas Feith
David Addington
Adnan Khashoggi
Ahmed Chalabi
Keith Weissman
Louis Freeh
Eric Edelman
Elizabeth Cheney
Shaha Ali Riza
Condoleezza Rice
James Woolsey
Kyle Foggo
Alvin Krongard
J. Cofer Black
Karen Kwiatkowski
John Ashcroft
Alberto Gonzales
Lawrence Franklin
Robert Gates
Richard Perle
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard B. Cheney
George Tenet
Coleen Rowley
Clare Short
Valerie Plame Wilson
Sibel Edmonds

I appreciate and thank you in advance DU.
Bob

[DrDebug]

1. Paul Bremer

The reason I'm supplying only one name is because there is far more to Paul Bremer than meets the eye and he is a master of secrecy and playing and looking dumb. He could actually be worse than Cheney especially since his history prior to 2000 is almost completely unknown, however it doesn't pass the smell test and his interests and rare interviews are very disturing. Paul was always at the wrong place at the wrong time and for some weird reason nobody noticed him, because he tends to be overlooked.

[bobthedrummer]

3. Mentored by Henry Kissinger, who was originally named to head the 9/11 Commission...

[Canuckistanian]

4. Bremer could turn out to be the worst of them all

For the people of Iraq, he already is.

For the future fate of America, he may be the originator of the biggest "blowback" in history.

Just my little prediction.

[bobthedrummer]

2. ...

Porter Goss
John Negroponte
Richard Armitage
William C. Sullivan
John Edgar Hoover
Clyde Tolson
Allen Dulles
John Foster Dulles
Edwin Meese III
Nicholas Katzenbach
Victor Marchetti
John Marks
Daniel Ellsberg
Frank Snepp
Mark Felt
Oleg Penkovsky
Harold Philby
Gordon Lonsdale
Mohammed Mossadegh
Frank Wisner
Robert McFarlane
Viktor Bout
Manuel Noriega
Shimon Peres
Yasser Arafat
Menachem Begin
Mordichai Vanunu
A.Q. Khan
Pablo Escobar
Orlando Letelier
John McCone
Melvin Laird
John Mitchell
Martha Mitchell
Tom Huston
Carmel Offie
Roy Cohn
Richard Nixon
Joseph McCarthy
Martin Dies Jr.
Howard Hughes
Edwin Pauley
Yitzhak Rabin
Anwar Sadat
Golda Meir
Margaret Thatcher
Gamal Abdel Nasser
Henry Kissinger
Mikhail Gorbechev
Boris Yeltsin
Gerald Ford
Ronald Reagan
James Baker
George H.W. Bush
Ariel Sharon
Vladmir Putin
Chandra Levy
Debra Palfrey
Victor Ostrovsky
Ho Chi Minh
Mao Tze-dong
Fidel Castro
Meyer Lansky

[AntiFascist]

5. Here's another nexus of espionage and whistleblowing...

Rafi Eitan
Robert Maxwell
William A. Hamilton
Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz

[Octafish]

6. Eric Prince and Betsy DeVos are a brother-sister duo of evil.

She married one big Dick DeVos, scAmway heir and GOP moneybucket.

The Fellowship
Abraham Vereide
Doug Coe
David Coe

There are more, Legion-like.

[blm]

7. Jackson Stephens, Marc Rich, James Bath....

Good guys - Henry Gonzalez, Jack Brooks, Joe Moakley, John Kerry - for the anti-corruption, open government Dems.

[Octafish]

8. Rich & Bath would make good speakers at the DU symposium cruise.

Wise people would pay to hear you speak, blm.

bobthedrummer and a whole lot o' DUers, too.

In all seriousness: We miss Henry and Joe. Jack and John would make really good speakers on a DU symposium cruise. Throw in John Conyers and Elizabeth Holtzman, for good measure. Heh heh.

[blm]

10. heheh...yeah...and the rest hide behind their insults

because they can't face the truth about what has been done in their names by a few powerful Democrats they admired for so long.

[InkAddict]

9. Help me remember...

There was a guy that DU made a stab at researching during the B(ev)H days. He was some "fat cat" dude who headed up some sort of machine-certifying tax-exempt organization(?) with ties to code writers for Diebold(?).

No one could find but a few on-line photos of this guy for days. His only claim to competence in the election circus ring was as an owner of a computer shack back before the day. I can remember the fever while DUers were searching google, public records, maps, and satellite images of what might have been his home...it did seem that as fast as his name came up, he once again slithered off into the night...

If someone remembers the name, put him on your list too.

[bobthedrummer]

11. Kick, we need more participation on this-thanks to all that have contributed

so far-I would like to be on a 90 minute (or so) show with blm and Octafish, but not playing music...
;-)

John O'Neill
Robert Drumheller
William Arkin
Robert Dreyfuss
Seymour Hersh
Lolita Baldor
Phil Wilayto
Bill Berkowitz
Larissa Alexandrovna
Jim Hogue
Angus Mackenzie
Gary Webb
Mark Lombardi
Danny Casalaro

[Rhiannon12866]

12. How about Abdel Nasser of Egypt who mentored Saddam Hussein and

Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler, who thwarted a coup to overthrow FDR...:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

13. I listed Nasser in post 2, thanks for mentioning patriotic 2 time Medal of Honor

winner USMC General Butler-a hero.

Here's a few more to add to our lists.

Ted Stevens
Tom DeLay
Bill Frist
Newt Gingrich
Adm. Mike McConnell
Gen. Mike Hayden
Richard Bissell
William Buckley
John D. Rockefeller
Edwin Black
Heather Pringle
Max Weinreich

[bobthedrummer]

14. Add to the names, kick

[underpants]

15. $.02

[bobthedrummer]

16. Oh yes sir! He's upthread...

[bobthedrummer]

17. Elizabeth Holtzman, Amy Goodman, Melanie Sloan, Russ Bellant,

Chip Berlet
Robert Parry
John Loftus

[road2000]

18. Adding...

Margaret Chase Smith
Barbara Jordan
Don Siegelman
Adam Clayton Powell
James J. Kilpatrick
Raisa Gorbachev
Rachel Carson

Edited to add Everett Dirksen and Huey P. Long

[bobthedrummer]

19. A primary eve's kick, add to our list of the good, the bad, and the ugly...n/t