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Angry Mollusk Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:30 AM
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Why do Americans seldom admit that the US backed and supported Saddam Hussein for years?
The radical right wing Republicans always accuse the 'mainstream media' of being liberal. Liberal media? You could have fooled me. In the many changing reasons for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the justification was given to depose Saddam Hussein. Republicans dwelled on how evil he was an his crimes of mass murder, and how we must rid the world of such a monster. They also blasted the russians and French for having sold weapons to Saddam Hussein in the past.

True, Saddam was a butcher- but didn't the US help to install him in power in the first place? Didn't we supply him with weapons, particulalry during the Iran/Iraq war? He seemed to be yet another on a long list of petty dictators that was a puppet of the US government- but once Saddam refused to obey his puppet masters, he was declared enemy number one. This little detail is never discussed in the so called 'liberal media'. I've had arguments with Republicans who assert the US never supported Saddam Hussein, and they accused me of 'hating freedom' because I asserted the US did back Saddam for years.

For some reason the American press rarely if ever admits the US backed saddam for years- I called a few right wing radio shows and was called a nut for asserting the US used to back Saddam and provided him with weapons, some of which he used on his own people.
Did we install him, or simply support him from the beginning? I believe the CIA helped him as far back as 1968....
Whenever I hear a warmonger rationalize the war on Iraq by saying 'what, you think Iraq would have been better with Saddam still in power?", I usually tell them 'It would have been even better if we hadn't put him in power in the first place'.
I have a debate with a coworker- he admits the US supported Saddam for years, but asserts the US NEVER provided saddam's regiem with any weapons.

What's the full story? Wasn't Saddam Hussein a monster we created?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:39 AM
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1. Among other problems,
the U.S. education system fails to provide decent/adequate/useful history/social studies education. An educated public is the keystone to democracy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:40 AM
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2. That was being revealed in the Iraqgate investigations and also part of BCCI....
BushInc was pretty much nailed on both of those investigations by Jan 1993, but he found a protector in Bill Clinton who swept those matters under the oval office rug throughout the 90s.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Hard to believe that BushInc would get away with pinning the 5 billion dollars sent to Saddam on a 35yo bank manager in Atlanta, but they did - because when his defense called for Kissinger to take the stand, Bill's DOJ cut a deal with him QUICKLY.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:45 AM
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3. I'll second the first post.
Most individuals have no idea about not only our support of Hussein, but also any number of other tinpot dictators around the world. Salazar, the Duvaliers, Franco, Ul-Haqt, Pinochet, Doe, Taylor, Amin, Sse Seko, Marcos, Suharto..the list is long. Instead of learning about such people, and the reasons we support them, our population is instead fed huge helpings of pollyanna B.S. about how we can do no wrong and always support democracy.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:52 AM
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4. Stupid, ain't it?
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 04:54 AM by Mythsaje
The American populace is not only woefully under-educated about such things, they're fed a constant diet of televised sports, ridiculous sitcoms, reality shows, and mindless drivel. They're lucky to be able to remember where toilet paper is supposed to be used.

America started sliding downhill at an ever increasing pace when the people stopped reading anything more complex than the TV Guide and the morning newspaper.

Thank Fate for the internet, but, to be honest, there's just as much drivel out here as on TV...there's just more decent stuff to balance it out somewhat.

BTW. Welcome to DU.

On edit: Kicked and Recommended. You're very right and you'll well deserve your first (I assume) appearance on the Greatest Page.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:58 AM
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10. You know what the big difference is here?
I choose. While there is a filk song extolling that the main reason the internet exists is porn, it isn't so. Well, it isn't only so. I watch zero broadcast television and keep up with the news via the internet. When I can't find an item I want at a local thrift store, I go online for it. I'm invited to look at ads everywhere, but on the internet I can ignore them, I seem to have a brain that is incapable of filtering out the vocal ones, though I have recently learned a neat trick in the car. When I'm listening to music on the Mountain and the commercials come on, I turn off the radio. No brainer, right? Took me until the eve of my 45th birthday to get that one.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:34 PM
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22. The Mountain? 103.7? You must be local.
I don't have a radio in my car. I keep my audio book plugged into one ear when I drive. I DVR any TV show I enjoy watching, and fast forward through the commercials. Or I order shows (like Dr. Who and Torchwood, currently) through Netflix.

I ignore the ads on the internet too. My wife makes most of the major purchasing decisions, and she tends to buy what we need. Commercials? Bah. Who cares? Corporate media news? Again, who cares? Mostly nonsense. You can sometimes find decent stories buried in the local paper, but you have to dig. It's all available out here.

I spend my time on DU, doing research for my writing, keeping up with various Yahoo Groups, including my own and the one for my wife's book review site, and reading "The Order of the Stick" when a new one is posted.

Oh, and occasionally playing MUDS when the impulse strikes and I need to kill monsters.

What else is the internet for?

;)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:30 PM
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23. As local as they get
I lived in Texas for 24 years and they had a saying there, "I wasn't born here, but I got here a fast as I could.". That never resonated for me because I despised Texas for all the years I was stuck there. For the last 8 years, I've been trying to make it up here and come May, it will be two years I've been here and well, see the pat phrase above.

Besides, as one of my Sig others' says, "Metronatural sucks as a tourist phrase, a better one is Seattle, It's Almost Canada."

Going to Norwescon? I wonder if we might be able to get a DU get together there. I suspect there is enough crossover.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:43 PM
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24. Hmmm. Hadn't thought about it. I never remember the damn cons, though I should.
When is it? I might try to make it, if it doesn't interfere with anything else.

Me, I prefer Tacoma to Seattle. Getting around Seattle is like dealing with a city mapped out by a drunk ape. Makes me nuts every time I go there. My wife has to drive to keep me from losing my mind.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:54 PM
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26. It's actually in Seatac so you don't actually have to come into the Seattle
It's over Easter weekend (great rates at the hotel and well, Pagans abound) and I think this is the 30th anniversary. They give out the Philip K. Dick award there. I know I shouldn't be so childishly amused, but he has a funny name. I'm actually a Con newbie and a couple of my partners are going to take me. That sounds far more x-rated than I meant for it to.

Yes, while I love Seattle with all of my heart, its layout and signage are more than a bit bizarre. The signage for the highways especially. I mean, really, when Texas does better signage, well, that's just sad.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:56 AM
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5. Yes you are correct.
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Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:24 AM
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6. With our satellites we provided him with intel
during his hideous war with Iran.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:33 AM
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7. Because most US citizens don't know it.
We are the most CLUELESS superpower in the history of the planet.
And that's no accident.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:51 AM
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8. Plus the Shah,
Mossadegh and a host of others (Stalin, etal.) The CIA has always been very busy and American foreign policy and regime building/support then sabotage/destruction has a long history. We have interfered a lot and not just in Southwest Asia (Allende in Chile leaps prominently to mind). As for American education and awareness of history, a large percentage, even of college-educated, cannot identify or locate Iraq or Iran on a labelled map. Probably true of South Dakota as well.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:48 AM
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9. (BBC:) UK arms sales to 'respectable' Iraq
Last Updated: Friday, 28 December 2007, 00:08 GMT
By Liam Allen
BBC News

In light of the subsequent history of Iraq, it seems almost unthinkable that 30 years ago Britain sold millions of pounds of military equipment to the country's Baathist government.

Foreign Office papers, just released by the National Archives in London, show that defence sales to Iraq in 1976 amounted to an estimated £70m.

At this time, Saddam Hussein was the de facto leader of Iraq - taking on a more prominent role than the ageing president, Gen Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr - before formally taking power in 1979.

The documents show that, in 1976 and 1977, a variety of equipment was sold to Iraq, including 20 Cymbeline mortar-locating radar - at a cost of £11m - combat support boats, and £7.4m of weapons effects simulators.

...

But such apparent free-flowing exports to Iraq do not mean that Britain did not have grave doubts about the government of the Baath Party, which had taken power in 1963.

A letter to the UK government - dated 14 February 1977 - from Archie Lamb, the British ambassador in neighbouring Kuwait, notes that "the Kuwaitis regard the present regime in Baghdad as nasty and brutish".

"Not an opinion from which I imagine many of us would dissent," Mr Lamb's letter adds.

He notes that it appears "that Saddam is pretty firmly in the saddle but even Saddam is not immune to the assassin's bomb or bullet and would the regime survive without him"?

In reply, an I McCluney, of the government's Middle East department, displays a spectacular inability to predict Saddam Hussein's subsequent reign of terror.

He writes: "The most likely development in Baghdad is a continuance of Baath socialist government even, I submit, without Saddam Hussein - who is in any case, I believe, one of its more respectable figures."

He adds: "In time, as the country develops, the Baath may mellow and become less repressive."

Sales 'constrained'

The reservations of James Callaghan's Labour government about its Iraqi counterparts had led to a Memorandum of Understanding being signed between the two countries in March 1976 restricting the types of weapons that could be sold to Iraq.

A document produced by the government's Middle East department explained that "the sale of UK defence equipment to Iraq is constrained by the need to consider the likely effect this will have on the strategic balance in the Middle East".

If Britain sold "sophisticated weapons" to the pro-Palestine Iraqi government, it would be resented by Israel as well as by neighbouring Kuwait and Iran, the document continues.

This would "jeopardise our far greater defence sales" to those regions, it adds.

It refers to a "shopping list" of equipment which Britain would be prepared to sell to Iraq.

'Favourable effect'

The note adds that the list "excluded items which, for security reasons, we would not wish revealed to the Soviet Union via the close Iraqi/Soviet military connection".

Excluded items included tanks and aircraft including fighter planes and helicopters.

But in April 1976 - a month after the Memorandum of Understanding was signed - a note from the British foreign and defence secretaries seems to contradict the idea of restricting the supply of defence equipment to Iraq.

Their memo to other ministers reads: "The confidence engendered by a more comprehensive supply of defence equipment is likely to have a favourable effect upon general commercial relations between the two countries."

Their note continues with a statement sure to interest critics of the current conflict who suggest that the UK and US intervention was motivated by oil in Iraq.

"We could lose the goodwill we have been slowly and painfully trying to build up since the resumption of diplomatic relations aimed at gaining access to large projects and the Iraqis' huge oil wealth."

It adds: "In light of the above considerations, it is recommended that we should tell the Iraqis that we would be prepared to supply the optical version of Rapier , the Scorpion family of armoured vehicles and the 105mm Light Gun."

/... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7156645.stm
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:05 AM
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11. It's not a matter of not admitting usually, it's a matter of not knowing.
Do you know who the next group of B list stars are who are going to be on Dancing With The Stars? I don't but I bet a half dozen of my coworkers do. In my value system, that is icky. Not so much in theirs. The sad thing is we will all sink or swim (or dance) together.

Yes, Saddam Hussein was a monster we created to keep Iran in line after they ousted our tinpot Shah and decided to go all religious on our asses. We backed and supplied weapons and money to another guy, Osama Bin Somebody so that he could fight the Soviets and bankrupt them. Now, either Osama learned well and he and his are going to do the same to us, or, just as likely, the checks he deposits each month still have a bald eagle on them just like in the good old days. And so on, and so on.

Welcome to DU. By the time you hit 1000 posts, you will know more about the rabbit hole than you ever imagined, and DUers are great at providing links.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:06 AM
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12. Check this out
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121503A.shtml

We Caught The Wrong Guy
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Monday 15 December 2003

Saddam Hussein, former employee of the American federal government, was captured near a farmhouse in Tikrit in a raid performed by other employees of the American federal government. That sounds pretty deranged, right? Perhaps, but it is also accurate. The unifying thread binding together everyone assembled at that Tikrit farmhouse is the simple fact that all of them ? the soldiers as well as Hussein ? have received pay from the United States for services rendered.

It is no small irony that Hussein, the Butcher of Baghdad, the monster under your bed lo these last twelve years, was paid probably ten thousand times more during his time as an American employee than the soldiers who caught him on Saturday night. The boys in the Reagan White House were generous with your tax dollars, and Hussein was a recipient of their largesse for the better part of a decade.

If this were a Tom Clancy movie, we would be watching the dramatic capture of Hussein somewhere in the last ten minutes of the tale. The bedraggled dictator would be put on public trial for his crimes, sentenced to several thousand concurrent life sentences, and dragged off to prison in chains. The anti-American insurgents in Iraq, seeing the sudden futility of their fight to place Hussein back into power, would lay down their arms and melt back into the countryside. For dramatic effect, more than a few would be cornered by SEAL teams in black facepaint and discreetly shot in the back of the head. The President would speak with eloquence as the martial score swelled around him. Fade to black, roll credits, get off my plane.

The real-world version is certainly not lacking in drama. The streets of Baghdad were thronged on Sunday with mobs of Iraqi people celebrating the final removal of a despot who had haunted their lives since 1979. Their joy was utterly unfettered. Images on CNN of Hussein, looking for all the world like a Muslim version of Charles Manson while getting checked for head lice by an American medic, were as surreal as anything one might ever see on a television.

Unfortunately, the real-world script has a lot of pages left to be turned. Former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, reached at his home on Sunday, said, ?It?s great that they caught him. The man was a brutal dictator who committed terrible crimes against his people. But now we come to rest of story. We didn?t go to war to capture Saddam Hussein. We went to war to get rid of weapons of mass destruction. Those weapons have not been found.? Ray McGovern, senior analyst and 27-year veteran of the CIA, echoed Ritter?s perspective on Sunday. ?It?s wonderful that he was captured, because now we?ll find out where the weapons of mass destruction are,? said McGovern with tongue firmly planted in cheek. ?We killed his sons before they could tell us.?

Indeed, reality intrudes. The push for war before March was based upon Hussein?s possession of 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 1,000,000 pounds of sarin gas, mustard gas, and VX nerve gas, along with 30,000 munitions to deliver these agents, uranium from Niger to be used in nuclear bombs, and let us not forget the al Qaeda terrorists closely associated with Hussein who would take this stuff and use it against us on the main streets and back roads of the United States.

When they found Hussein hiding in that dirt hole in the ground, none of this stuff was down there with him. The full force of the American military has been likewise unable to locate it anywhere else. There is no evidence of al al Qaeda agents working with Hussein, and Bush was forced some weeks ago to publicly acknowledge that Hussein had nothing to do with September 11. The Niger uranium story was debunked last summer.

Conventional wisdom now holds that none of this stuff was there to begin with, and all the clear statements from virtually everyone in the Bush administration squatting on the public record describing the existence of this stuff looks now like what it was then: A lot of overblown rhetoric and outright lies, designed to terrify the American people into supporting an unnecessary go-it-alone war. Said war made a few Bush cronies rich beyond the dreams of avarice while allowing some hawks in the Defense Department to play at empire-building, something they have been craving for more than ten years.

Of course, the rhetoric mutated as the weapons stubbornly refused to be found. By the time Bush did his little ?Mission Accomplished? strut across the aircraft carrier, the occupation was about the removal of Saddam Hussein and the liberation of the Iraqi people. No longer were we informed on a daily basis of the ?sinister nexus between Hussein and al Qaeda,? as described by Colin Powell before the United Nations in February. No longer were we fed the insinuations that Hussein was involved in the attacks of September 11. Certainly, any and all mention of weapons of mass destruction ceased completely. We were, instead, embarking on some noble democratic experiment.

The capture of Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqis dancing in the streets of Baghdad, feeds nicely into these newly-minted explanations. Mr. Bush and his people will use this as the propaganda coup it is, and to great effect. But a poet once said something about tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow.

?We are not fighting for Saddam," said an Iraqi named Kashid Ahmad Saleh in a New York Times report from a week ago. "We are fighting for freedom and because the Americans are Jews. The Governing Council is a bunch of looters and criminals and mercenaries. We cannot expect that stability in this country will ever come from them. The principle is based on religion and tribal loyalties," continued Saleh. "The religious principle is that we cannot accept to live with infidels. The Prophet Muhammad, peace be on him, said, `Hit the infidels wherever you find them.' We are also a tribal people. We cannot allow strangers to rule over us."

Welcome to the new Iraq. The theme that the 455 Americans killed there, and the thousands of others who have been wounded, fell at the hands of pro-Hussein loyalists is now gone. The Bush administration celebrations over this capture will appear quite silly and premature when the dying continues. Whatever Hussein bitter-enders there are will be joined by Iraqi nationalists who will now see no good reason for American forces to remain. After all, the new rhetoric highlighted the removal of Hussein as the reason for this invasion, and that task has been completed. Yet American forces are not leaving, and will not leave. The killing of our troops will continue because of people like Kashid Ahmad Saleh. All Hussein?s capture did for Saleh was remove from the table the idea that he was fighting for the dictator. He is free now, and the war will begin in earnest.

The dying will continue because America?s presence in Iraq is a wonderful opportunity for a man named Osama bin Laden, who was not captured on Saturday. Bin Laden, it has been reported, is thrilled by what is happening in Iraq, and plans to throw as much violence as he can muster at American forces there. The Bush administration spent hundreds of billions of dollars on this Iraq invasion, not one dime of which went towards the capture or death of the fellow who brought down the Towers a couple of years ago. For bin Laden and his devotees, Iraq is better than Disneyland.

For all the pomp and circumstance that has surrounded the extraction of the former Iraqi dictator from a hole in the ground, the reality is that the United States is not one bit safer now that the man is in chains.

There will be no trial for Hussein, at least nothing in public, because he might start shouting about the back pay he is owed from his days as an employee of the American government. Because another former employee of the American government named Osama is still alive and free, our troops are still in mortal danger in Iraq.

Hussein was never a threat to the United States. His capture means nothing to the safety and security of the American people. The money we spent to put the bag on him might have gone towards capturing bin Laden, who is a threat, but that did not happen. We can be happy for the people of Iraq, because their Hussein problem is over. Here in America, our Hussein problem is just beginning. The other problem, that Osama fellow we should have been trying to capture this whole time, remains perched over our door like the raven.

===

On Iran, from the intro to a book I wrote ten billion years ago:

American policy in the Middle East, a policy that has existed to this day, a policy that has played an enor­mous part in the recent history of the region, can be summed up succinctly in the words of famed US. State Department official George Kennan, when in 1948 he said,

"The US. has about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and re­sentment. Our real task in the coming period is to de­vise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day­dreaming, and our attention will have to be concen­trated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease to talk about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights, the raising of living stan­dards and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

This hard-eyed assessment of U.S. priorities came fully into play in 1951, when Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh took power in neighbouring Iran and de­clared that Iran would retain full control of its own oil resources. Within the next two years, Mossadegh was deposed and the Shah of Iran installed, due in large part to support provided to the Coup leaders by the CIA. Upon his installation, the Shah received assis­tance from American General Norman Schwartz­kopf, Sr., father of the famed American General of the Gulf War, in the formation of the fearsome SAVAK Secret Police. The Shah became a puppet of U.S. interests, and the people of Iran began a long bout of suffering under his rule.

Across the border in Iraq, a man named Saddam Hussein was at the beginning of what became a long, bloody journey through the politics of power. Born in 1937, Hussein joined the socialist Ba'athist party in 1956. In 1958, the British-installed King was overthrown in a popular revolt by Abd al-Quassim. In 1959, Hussein was one of the assassins involved in an attempted coup against Quassim, who was wounded in an attack. The coup failed, Hussein took a bullet in the leg, and was forced to flee the country to Syria, and then to Egypt.

Etc: http://www.gymmuenchenstein.ch/stalder/tables%20and%20charts/iraq.htm
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Angry Mollusk Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:22 AM
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14. Perhaps Noam Chomsky was right, on the American history of setting up tin pot dictators as puppets
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 07:26 AM by Angry Mollusk
Great poste!
I'll have to pick up a copy of your book...

Speaking of books, this reminds me, I need to read up on my Noam Chomsky- He points out many of the tin pot dictators the US created as puppets...Right wingers denounce Chomsky as a nut, but I think he was correct on many of his assertions...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:24 AM
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17. Thanks.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:13 AM
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13. because the American people can't handle the truth
We've been lied to so much that a lot of American people wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit them on the ass.

And, the truth about the "Liberal Media Bias" is real but it isn't what most people think. The liberal media bias is really a media bias against liberals. It's like Bush's "Clean Air Act", it's the opposite of what it sounds like. Which is another reason the American public is confused. They are told one thing and then they get another.

Here's another one for you: compassionate conservatives approve of torture. It doesn't make sense but that's the way it seems to work.
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Angry Mollusk Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:31 AM
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18. Republicans are bundles of contradictions and double standards
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 07:33 AM by Angry Mollusk
(QUOTE" Here's another one for you: compassionate conservatives approve of torture. It doesn't make sense but that's the way it seems to work.")




Not a shock- The Republicans excell at contradiction. Another example- The right wing Republicans oppose programs that help the sick and poor - yet they worship Jesus Christ- a guy who spent his time helping the sick and poor. They insist everyone must worship Jesus, when in fact they despise everything he stood for.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:02 PM
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20. And Foley said he would protect kids from sexual predators on the internet
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 12:02 PM by Mabus
only to get caught IM'ing sexual advances to young men.

It would be funny if it wasn't just so sad.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:44 PM
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25. Since no one actually got hurt
I have to say it's STILL funny, in that bitter, ironic way.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:23 AM
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15. Hussein and a string of other repressive dictators
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:24 AM
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16. Also forgotten
Is that the US basically helped create/fund/arm Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan..cause you know, arming relgious fundies to stop the Soviets from taking over the world from Afghanistan was such a brilliant idea....:eyes:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:41 AM
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19. Think about it
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 07:45 AM by malaise
The US had no problem with Bhutto's father, Bhutto, Bhutto's husband and now Bhutto's nineteen year old son, but Fidel is the devil and how dare his brother take over leadership in Cuba.

The message is loud and clear - My dictators are OK until we are finished with them.

Add.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:58 PM
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21. Americans rarely admit ANYTHING.
Their myths are still working and if it ain't broke don't fix it. ;-)
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:28 PM
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27. Probably because it's really tough to think with sphincters wrapped tightly around crania...
Which is the official state-approved position that all Americans must assume when they suspect they may be about to encounter a grain of truth amid the toxic slurry of pure bullshit that pours out of every single institutional outlet 24/7.

And yes, the US armed him with WMDs back when he was killing Iranians, which we approved of (and still do, apparently). That's why I really thought the weapons inspectors were going to find something back in 2002; the Bush crime family damn well knew there were WMDs in Iraq because they sold him the stuff and probably still have the invoices.

This is from 1983, in the middle of the Iran-Iraq war. Recognize anyone here?



You can tell your pal at work that he can either deal with the truth or occupy a permanent position in the land of happy, happy horseshit and admit to all concerned that he's a gullible fool who doesn't mind being conned every single day of his deluded life.

Here's a list of covert ops waged by US intelligence and special forces "advisers" since the end of WW II. Mind you these are just the ones we know about.


1940s

* Greek Civil War (1946-1949)

1950s

* 1953 Operation Ajax: CIA and British MI6 successfully orchestrate the removal of democratically-elected Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh, and installs the Shah as dictator.<7><8>

* 1954 Operation PBSUCCESS: CIA-orchestrated overthrow of democratically-elected president Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala.

* 1957 Operation ?: CIA-financed dominance of the conservative Liberal Democratic Party in the Japanese parliament.
1960s

* 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
* 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, ruler of the Dominican Republic.<9><10><11>

* 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion: US-sponsored failed invasion of Cuba.
* 1961 - 1962 CIA and Department of Defense covert plans and operations against Fidel Castro.
o The Cuban Project
o Operation Mongoose
o Operation Northwoods
* 1962-74 Secret War in Laos.
* 1963 -- Iraq. The C.I.A. supports a coup in Iraq against the Qassim government.<12><13><14><15>
* 1964 Brazilian Military Coup)<16>
* 1963-64 CIA involvement in riots and violence in Guyana in order to undermine the Marxist People's Progressive Party and its leader, Cheddi Jagan.
* United States intervention in Chile
* 1965 - Bombings in Peru and assistance to counter-insurgency operations <17><18>
* 1965 CIA-backed coup deposes President Joseph Kasavubu of the Republic of the Congo and installs a kleptocracy ruled by the dictator Mobutu.
* 1967 CIA-organized military operation ends in capture and execution of Che Guevara by the Bolivian Army.
* 1960s – 1970s Training and delivery of equipment to police forces in various countries, including Uruguay, by the Office of Public Safety (represented in Uruguay by Dan Mitrione) <17>
* 1968 -- Iraq. The C.I.A. successfully supports coup in Iraq against the government of Rahman Arif to bring the Ba'ath Party to power, with Saddam Hussein eventually taking the helm.<12>

1970s

* 1970 Project FUBELT: US supported unsuccessful coup against Salvador Allende
* 1970s Operation Condor, Latin America
* 1979 - 1989 CIA support for the Contras.<19><20> (See Iran-Contra Affair)
1980s

* 1980 Operation Eagle Claw: Attempt to rescue hostages held by Iran fails.
* Contras (Nicaragua, 1980s)
* 1981 US sends military advisors to El Salvador.<21>

* 1987-88 Operation Earnest Will: Escort of reflagged Kuwaiti oil tankers in the Persian Gulf.
* 1987-88 Operation Prime Chance: Covert anti-Iranian operations in the Persian Gulf.
* 1979–1989 Mujahideen vs. USSR in Afghanistan.
1990s

* Pentagon-contracted advisors to Croatia prior to Operation Storm (1994)

2000s

* Damadola airstrike (Pakistan) (2006)


Source here: http://tinyurl.com/uz8t3

More great reading here: http://tinyurl.com/35tm42

and here: http://tinyurl.com/3bjglr

and a good archive/reference site here: http://tinyurl.com/2kxtlp


Happy reading, and welcome to the land of those who actually know some useful stuff.


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Angry Mollusk Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:56 PM
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28. Didn't George Washington warn us about meddling in the affairs of other countries?
Great post Warren.

Too bad our first president, George Washington, whose advice about avoiding foreign conflicts and meddling with foreign powers has been ignored by the current George in office..
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:51 PM
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29. Do we?
I always thought that information was pretty well known and established.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:09 PM
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30. Because Americans can't remember anything that's not celebrity gossip or true crime
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 11:09 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
Not any more, it seems.
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