Nader can make an impact if Ron Paul is on the Ticket.

[liberalnurse]

I can see Nader partnering with Paul for several reasons; taxes, Iraqi War, money.

What does the DU Think Tank say?

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[mtnester]

4. She is not supporting the candidate...and you WERE

your thread SHOULD have been locked and was

[robbedvoter]

2. I say: does anyone remember he ran in 2004? Exactly. 0+0=0

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. DU doesn't care.

DU thinks Nader is an irrelevant egomaniacal ass who won't influence a damn thing.

[cloudythescribbler]

15. Trying to realistically assess Ralph Nader running for president, especially in 2000 (repost)

(I can't say that I have read a whole lot of material from the Obama campaign myself, but on the other hand, I don't put so much stock in all the specifics outlined by candidates in these documents). I have watched some 8 debates and several speeches by Obama during the campaign, and seen plenty of detail for my purposes there and in extensive social commentary.

Actually, the advantage of figures like Nader, to the extent that in an election where the ONLY significant impact they could possibly have is to be a spoiler helping the Repukes get power, is that they advocate positions, details or no details, like single payer health insurance ignored by the mainstream.

Nevertheless, as in the past, including Nader's MOST SUCCESSFUL (both in getting votes and in possibly tipping the election FROM the Democrats to the Repugs) in 2000, the MSM attention on Nader has been almost exclusively on his role as a spoiler, and he has done little to counteract that. In 2000 in particular, he spent LOTS of time campaigning in swing states like Penn, Ohio, and FL, and relatively little both in solid blue states (like MA, CT, and CA) AND IN SOLID RED STATES WHERE HE WOULDN'T ACT AS A SPOILER (such as TX, WY, and IN). Most states and jurisdictions fall into one of those two categories, even in widely contested races with many states "in play" such as in 2000.

What this and other factors show me is that Nader is more interested in drawing attention than in 'going hunting where the ducks are'. After all, the logic of the two MAIN candidates under the present system is to FOCUS on all the "purple" and 'purplish' states such as CO, MO, MN, OH, and FL, while the logic of someone running to get at least the minimum 5% threshold to qualify for federal financing (and possibly being included in the debates as well) is, as noted, exactly the opposite.
Nader, even in 2000, didn't even come CLOSE to getting 5% of the national vote.

As for building up a progressive movement (something I am very interested in, in its proper context, with groups like sds/mds -- the newly reconstituted students for a democratic society/movement for a democratic society) the fact that at Nader's main appearances in DC, his audience(s) were reportedly almost entirely white belies any notion that he is really effective in pursuit of that at least ostensible goal either

[still_one]

5. Paul said he won't run on a third party ticket, but if he did, it would hurt the repukes more

It won't matter WHO our candidate is, Hillary or Barrack, WE WILL WIN BIG TIME

[liberalnurse]

8. Thank you for sharing.

I'm trying to look down the path for obstacles along the way to Pennsylvania Ave. Ron Paul has many weird supporters with money! He has been shunned in the media and this is a way for him to get attention.

Both Nader and Paul could "use" each other and become major spoilers in their pursuit of narcissistic domination. :scared: :shrug:

[still_one]

14. You have a point, and if paul did go back on his pledge to run as a third party candidate

it would muddy the waters

[Selatius]

6. Nader never seemed like the Grover Norquist "drown the gov't in a bathtub" type.

He doesn't strike me as an anarcho-capitalist like Ron Paul and members of the Libertarian Party.

[mtnester]

7. I gotta say, that is such an unlikely possibility

I don't know how much discussion you would get over it. Two nutjobs, one of them who said a week or sop ago he would not run Indie but only as a Repub (which means he really wants to keep his job and never really meant everything else he said) and the other another nutjob who says none of our candidates are progressive enough (so would NEVER parter with a conservative like Ron Paul).

Interesting discussion item, but really not likely. :)

[liberalnurse]

9. Good feedback.

I really don't know much about Paul beyond what I posted. The money is what made me think Nader would try that.....

[mtnester]

11. You know I luv ya

:)

9 days till voting time!

[liberalnurse]

12. Oh, I am sooooooooooooostressed.

[sellitman]

10. The Nutjob Party

Perfect!

[NewJeffCT]

13. won't happen

Nader is still pretty liberal on most issues and is a polar opposite of him on many social issues.

[liberalnurse]

16. Good!

It had me thinking, or shall I say awfulizing.

Very helpful.