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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:10 AM
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Dismantling the arguments against impeachment
Dismantling the arguments against impeachment
by occams hatchet
Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 03:03:27 PM PST

"I, {name}, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
-- Congressional oath of office




In the flush of excitement after the November 2006 elections, when Democrats had taken control of both houses of Congress for the first time in 12 years and anything seemed possible, there was much discussion in the progressive blogosphere about the tantalizing prospect of finally holding to account the criminals in the BushCheney administration through the use of the constitutional mechanism of impeachment. (This in spite of the fact that incoming House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi had taken impeachment "off the table" half a year earlier.)

To some who had worked so hard to get Democrats elected to Congress, impeachment seemed the most obvious and necessary thing in the world now that BushCo's Republican accomplices were no longer in the way to stop it - a natural process that would follow the administration's criminal misdeeds as surely as night follows day.

Others argued against impeachment. Let's not focus on the past, they said; we need to move our Democratic agenda forward. If Congress spends all its time on impeachment, it won't get anything else done. Besides, they would argue, Republicans will spin it that we're just out for revenge. It will hurt our chances in the 2008 elections. Anyway, we don't have the votes to guarantee success. Not to mention that the Clinton fiasco cheapened impeachment forever in the minds of the public.

The arguments were heated and prolonged. November and December 2006 were interesting months in the blogosphere - and there was nary a candidate diary in sight.

Time passed. Tempers cooled - and so did expectations. The new Democratic Congress was seated in January 2007 amid high hopes. But as the year progressed and most of the bills forming the vanguard of the "Democratic agenda" died slow, ignominious deaths - some cowering in fear of a Republican filibuster or a presidential veto, others mortally wounded at the President's desk, returning to perish on the Senate floor, still others abandoning their earlier brave promises to the electorate by fleeing Capitol Hill altogether, their places taken by Republican-friendly bills that funded the Iraq occupation or enlarged the president's power to illegally surveil, imprison or torture - it became apparent that the hopes of both those who counseled patience on impeachment and those who breathed fire for it were to be dashed. The prognostications of many were to be proven wrong, both those which favored impeachment -

lots more...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/22/173110/544
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:08 AM
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1. A Fine Dismantling
But the outright dismissals and rationalizations for inaction never constituted much of an argument -- let alone anything rising to the level of debate.

And the http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/15">"for the good of the Party" strategery of beltway Dems and their consultants has been downright corrupt.

Still demands for impeachment continue.

And the number of those willing to speak and act -- like George McGovern and Robert Wexler -- continues to grow.

I've never made prognostications, but I'm no where near admitting defeat.

Keep hammering on Impeachment.

It is -- and will continue to be -- our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:31 AM
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2. My hammering isn't over; I'll post 'em if I see 'em! nt
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:18 PM
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3. Kick & Rec for Conquering Impeachophobia!!
Related
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/23">Impeachophobia: Diagnosis and "Cure"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/26"> Impeachment is "Smart" for America. . . and Democrats (here's why)


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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:50 PM
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4. All I can say is that,
come January 09, team Bu$h/Cheney walks out of the White House un-impeached and un-indicted, not one incumbent Dem House member or Senator deserves reelection. Totally ignoring the misdeeds of the most impeachable Administration in history would, IMO, be a bigger crime against the American People than anything Bu$h has done.:cry:
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:36 PM
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5. I'm voting Democrat one more time. In hopes that they will nail them walking out the door.
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 02:37 PM by Wizard777
If not I'm done with the democrats. The only thing that could be more corrupt than what Bush & Cheney have done. Is letting them get away with it. At that point the democrats become more corrupt than the republicans. The worst part is that in the future the Republicans will use that against the Democrats. I can hear them now. Clinton lied and we republicans impeached him. We did our Job. We carried out our oath. Bush lied every time he opened his mouth and the Democrats refused to impeach him for it. The democrats didn't do their job. They didn't carry out their oath. Bush was lying about sex either. Bush was committing war crimes, atrocities,and Constitutional crimes. The Democrats did NOTHING. Why? The democrats are soft on crime and corrupt to the core. Then every republican in existence will insist that if it was put to a vote. They all would have voted for impeachment. But the democrat didn't do their duty and that vote never happened.

That is how the republicans put their corrupt shoe on the other foot.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:42 PM
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6. Ya I agree, never mind
that the RePukes enabled, obstructed and supported everything Bu$h/Cheney has done. They are counting on the short memory enough voters have to try and pull that off and its likely they will..
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:07 PM
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7. Their reply to that. It's not up to us to impeach our guy.
Did the democrats Impeach Clinton? No they did not. They supported him and passed his bills. Just like we did with Bush. Why didn't the democrats Impeach Clinton? It's not up to them to impeach their guy. That's our job and we did it. The impeachment of Bush was the democrats job and they didn't do it. That shoe is still on our foot.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:25 PM
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8. I've handed out IMPEACH bumperstickers for some years now -- but 'taint gonna happen
I really think that's been obvious all along

The fact, that the Dems wouldn't impeach Ronnie for Iran-Contra, meant many were afraid of the wingnuts

And the Congress has only become more conservative in the interim: that our 2000 VP nominee has spent most of the last eight years, working with the current regime to install rightwing judges and prevent any meaningful response to horror of Federal reliance on torture or FEMA's callous indifference to the destruction of New Orleans, speaks volumes about Beltway culture

Because we will not have impeachment, we have a special duty to be clear and accurate in our analysis of and telling of recent history: we must be able to describe carefully what happened and why, who reaped benefits, and who sat idly by
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:36 AM
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9. Kick
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:51 AM
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10. The most harmful part is that they won't even allow a vote.
Before the YouTube debate, where the voters were supposed to ask the questions by voting online, the impeachment question was the most popular one that was asked. But somehow it got deleted from the debate, not even mentioned at all. The number one question was never asked, and no excuse was ever provided.

The pollsters have quit polling on impeachment because it is way too popular among the public, and nobody wants anyone to know how popular it really is. I've seen many stories about local governments passing all manner of impeachment measures against these criminals, and I haven't ever heard about a single one being voted down.

By not forcing a vote the big lie is allowed to go unchallenged. The big lie that there are not enough votes in Congress. I know it's a big lie, and I also know that anyone who voted in Congress to shield Dick Cheney from criminal prosecution would have a very short career. They would be toast. I don't believe anyone, no matter how safe their district, would actually defend these guys when push comes to shove.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:05 AM
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11. Nu uh! I know we liberals love to feel betrayed but...
There are countless investigations going on. Healthcare is on the table. The internet is safe for now. Our wounded vets are no longer lying around in their own urine. The Senate Ethics Committee is back in action. Many 9/11 Commission recommendations are being passed. A bill to increase financial aid for colleges has passed--the single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill. The President's signing statements are being investigated. Legislation to restore habeus corpus has been approved. The Senate Armed Services Committee has passed legislation "that would grant new rights to terror suspects held at Guantanamo Bay. The unions have a voice in the government now—as do gays, women, and minorities. The environment has a fighting chance. The House passed the Taxpayer Protection Act, to protect taxpayers against "identity theft, deceptive Web sites and loan sharks." It also makes it "easier for taxpayers to retrieve property lost as a result of a wrongful Internal Revenue Service levy and directs the IRS to notify lower-income people that they qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit." The House approved a bill spending $1.7 billion over five years for cleaner water. There's a new House committee devoted solely to addressing the issue of global warming. And so on.

Less than six months into the 110th Congress, Senate Democrats have made significant strides in passing important, common-sense legislation that reflect the priorities of the American people. After nearly a decade of Republican control, Democrats have worked to restore fiscal responsibility in Washington and pass key legislation on Iraq policy, homeland security, troop readiness, veterans' health care, economic competitiveness, ethics reform, the minimum wage, health care, education, energy independence, stem cell research, and Gulf Coast revitalization. Democrats are committed to proving that elections do matter, and we will continue to pursue the international and domestic priorities that matter most to the American people. Together, we will take the country in a new direction.

Under Democratic leadership, the Senate has passed the following measures:

* A fiscally responsible budget: a budget that restores fiscal discipline and will lead to a surplus, while cutting middle-class taxes and funding foreign anddomestic priorities, including education, children's health care, veterans, and our troops;

* 9/11 Commission recommendations: a bill to make America more secure by giving our first responders the tools they need to keep us safe; making it more difficult for potential terrorists to travel into our country; advancing efforts to secure our rail, air, and mass transit systems; and improving intelligence and information sharing between state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies;

* Homeland security funding: legislation that provides $1.05 billion in funding necessary to address dangerous border and transit vulnerabilities left open by the Bush Administration since 9/11;

* Support for our troops: legislation funding the President's requests for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, including $1.2 billion in additional funding for a total of $3 billion to provide our troops in Iraq with mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles;

* Health care for wounded soldiers and veterans: legislation that provides $3 billion in supplemental funds for military health care and $1.8 billion in supplemental funds to the Department of Veterans' Affairs to accommodate the increasing number of new veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan;

* Benchmarks for Iraq: legislation that conditions U.S. economic support for the Iraqi government on its progress toward achieving key political benchmarks;

* National Guard readiness: legislation to provide an additional $1 billion to President Bush's request for National Guard equipment needs to remedy equipment shortfalls that are compromising the quality of force training and limiting the Guard's ability to quickly respond to natural and potential man-made disasters at home;

* Continuing Resolution: legislation providing funding for the nine remaining appropriations bills that were not completed by Republicans in the 109th Congress. In passing this legislation, Democrats stayed within budget limits, eliminated earmarks, and increased funding for national priorities, including veterans' medical care, Pell grants, elementary and secondary education, the National Institutes of Health, state and local law enforcement, and global AIDS prevention and treatment;
* Energy Bill: landmark legislation to increase our energy independence, strengthen the economy, reduce global warming emissions, and protect American consumers.

* American competitiveness: bipartisan legislation to increase the nation's investment in basic and innovative research; strengthen educational opportunities in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics from elementary through graduate school; and develop the infrastructure needed to enhance innovation and competitiveness in the United States;

* Ethics and lobbying reform: a bill to slow the "revolving door" for former Senators and staff, strengthen limits on gifts and travel, expand lobbying disclosure requirements, establish a study commission on ethics and lobbying, prohibit pensions for Members of Congress convicted of certain crimes, and implement reform procedures relating to earmarks and conference reports;

* Minimum wage: legislation to increase the federal minimum wage to $7.25/hour;

* Middle-class tax cuts: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for permanent extensions of the Marriage Penalty tax relief, the $1,000 refundable Child Tax Credit; the 10 percent income tax bracket; the adoption tax credit; the dependent care tax credit; U.S. soldiers' combat pay for the earned income tax credit; and reform of the estate tax to protect small businesses and family farms;

* AMT patch: the 2008 Budget Resolution ensures that the number of taxpayers subject to the alternative minimum tax will not increase in 2007, giving Congress and the Administration time to come up with a permanent solution;

* Head Start: a bill to expand eligibility for the Head Start program;
* Stem cell research: legislation to expand the number of human embryonic stem cells eligible for federally-funded research;

* Children's health coverage: the 2008 Budget Resolution and the 2007 Emergency Supplemental provide needed funds for the Children's Health Insurance Program;

* FDA reauthorization: a bill to greatly improve the Food and Drug Administration's oversight of drug safety;

* Rebuilding the Gulf Coast: legislation providing a total of $6.4 billion for victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, including $1.3 billion to complete levee and drainage repairs, $50 million to reduce violent crime in Gulf Coast states, and $110 million to repair the seafood and fisheries industries, which is vital to the region's economic recovery;

* Army Corps reform: legislation to ensure that the Army Corps of Engineers does its job more effectively and soundly;

* Disaster assistance for small businesses: legislation providing recovery assistance for small businesses impacted by the 2005 hurricanes in an effort to revitalize the Gulf Coast economy;

* U.S. Attorney appointments: legislation ending the indefinite appointment of interim U.S. Attorneys and restoring the role of the Senate in the selection of U.S. Attorneys;

* Tax relief for small businesses: legislation providing a range of deficit-neutral tax incentives designed to help small businesses grow;

* Education and training: the 2008 Budget Resolution provides for the largest increase since 2002 in funding for elementary and secondary programs; and

* Energy and environment programs: legislation increasing funding for basic science research at the Department of Energy and for energy efficiency and renewable energy programs.
http://www.apostille.us/news/democratic_accomplishments_in_the_110th_congress_leading_america_in_a_new_direction.shtml

the Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years and backed the majority position of their caucus 91
percent of the time

this 110th Congress has had more roll call votes this year than any other Congress in history, almost doubling the number under the previous Congress overseen by Boehner and House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL):
The House last week held its 943rd roll call vote of the year, breaking the previous record of 942 votes, a mark set in 1978. The vote was on a procedural motion related to a mortgage foreclosure bill. When the House adjourned on Oct. 4 for the long weekend, the chamber had reached 948 roll call votes, putting Democrats on pace to easily eclipse 1,000 votes on the House floor in 2007.
Last year, the Republican controlled House held 543 votes, and for historical comparison, the last time there was a shift in power in Congress, Republicans held 885 roll call votes in 1995. The Senate, which has held 363 votes this year, isn't on pace to break any records, but has already surpassed the 2006 Senate mark of 279 votes.
Much of the lack of progress can be traced back to obstructionism by conservatives.
Approximately "1 in 6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes," noted a JulyMcClatchy report. "If this pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous record number of cloture votes."
It's interesting that Boehner is criticizing the 110th Congress as doing nothing. After all, the House, under his leadership, met for just 101 days during the second session of the 109th Congress, setting the record "for the fewest days in session in one year since the end ofWorld War II."


...then there's those 19% approval ratings, which we probably wouldn;t have if the bastard had been impeached.
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