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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:21 PM
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I will never forget that William F. Buckley eulogized Allard Lowenstein in 1980
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:22 PM by BurtWorm
after he was murdered by a young former protege who thought his dental work was telling him to kill. Lowenstein was a close friend of the Kennedys and Teddy Kennedy's campaign manager (or a close adviser) during his 1980 run for president.

It blew me away, no gross pun intended, to see a very grave-looking Buckley devote an entire program of Firing Line to the memory of Lowenstein, whom he evidently considered a friend. One portion was Buckley's heartfelt eulogy at Lowenstein's memorial service.

I won't speak ill of Buckley today.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:28 PM
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1. I'm glad you mentioned it.
Thank you.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:31 PM
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2. Yes he did and that is what is so maddening
about these conservatives...

when it affects them, they're sad and remorseful and appropriate. If they don't know the person, then..well,they say: "fuck him".

well, "Fuck him"...I didn't particularly like being called an unpatriotic citizen b/c I opposed the Vietnam War and incidentally, did nothing illegal to protest said war. He didn't know me and didn't give a shit. He used to rail against us and call us the great unwashed and all that type of shit.

I was never asked to sail on his yachts so I'm not gonna eulogize him.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:33 PM
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3. The "Dump Johnson" Movement...if my memory has not completely failed
me, Allard Lowenstein was one of the chief architects of the Dump Johnson movement in the summer of 1967. I was the President of the Student Government at my college and went to the National Student Congress that summer in Maryland. I attended a planning meeting with him where he told us to go back to our campuses and begin organizing against President Johnson. I did just that and it was a watershed point in my life where I realized that political activism could really bring change.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:37 PM
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4. Strange Man
with a strange mixture of views. It probably depended on when you caught him. There was a post of another thread about Natinal Reviews eulogies of Franco, which certainly don't speak well of him. And then there's this.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:24 PM
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5. Fuck him!
Round up all the neocon Buckley fellators and bury
them in the same vault with that useless piece of elitist shit.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:33 PM
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6. That attitude is exactly what neocons want
They want that kind of angry emotions to be open in the hopes that progressives can swallow their pride and let loose in a kind of civil war. Let's have more sense than that.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:26 PM
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8. I'll chance a guess that...
I'm closer to Buckley's age than you are to mine?

I harbor no illusions as to the Buckleys et al waging war
on my kind from the first page of American history on.

Angry? Yes, more so than usual as I had just visited the
most prominent brownshirt chat room in Maine in order to
keep abreast of my enemy's reaction to Buckley's demise.

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If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear
the results of a hundred battles.
--Sun Tzu
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:56 PM
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10. I for one don't give a second thought to what the neocons want in this regard
but I also think it's a sign of emotional immaturity to piss on corpses of all public figures who have a different (and in this case, inferior) political bent.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:15 PM
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11. Point well taken and true.
nt
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:30 PM
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13. Very well said. Thank you.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:09 PM
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14. #10,11,13
'...emotional immaturity..."

You are free to interpret it that way if you wish.
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The negative thinkers therefore always have the advantage that they have something positive, namely this, that they are aware of the negative; the positive thinkers have nothing whatever, for they are deluded.
--Soren Kierkegaard
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:36 PM
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7. thats cool Burt, i actually have enjoyed the writings of Christoper Buckley, "Thank you for smoking"
was a hilarious book.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:44 PM
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9. I've never read that. I've heard the movie is good
Have you seen it?

I've liked CB's magazine writing. Whatever you think of their politics, the Buckleys do know how to write.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:48 PM
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17. i saw the movie after i read the book and it stays pretty true, the casting of
"merchants of death" was done well. If you pick up the book i think you'll really enjoy it, it's really biting and funny.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:21 PM
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12. His best column "It [Iraq] Didn't Work."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_25_06_WB.html

Wish they would all admit as much! RIP WFB!
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:42 PM
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15. What did Lowenstein do to get himself killed?
I remember the columnist and his friend, James Wechsler, saying the killer's story was total bunk. Manchurian candidate, perhaps? Was it the JFK assasination? Chappaquiddick truth?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:47 PM
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16. The thing that struck me about Buckley was his posture,
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 05:51 PM by Uncle Joe
he seemed to always be leaning to the right even physically. I can't remember ever seeing him lean to the left or even sit up straight.

Edit for P.S. Case in point, check out the photo in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2931725
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:02 PM
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18. Obit for the DU Buckleyites
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 07:57 PM by asteroid2003QQ47
http://gawker.com/361402/william-f-buckley-crypto+fascist-is-correcting-usage-in-heaven
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:43 PM
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19. Not speaking ill of the dead for a day makes you a Buckleyite?
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 10:51 PM by BurtWorm
I explained the reason for my personal moratorium on speaking ill of Buckley. You're sounding as intolerant as any narrow-minded bigot on the right, living or dead.

Why don't you start your own thread for pissing on Buckley? Why smear people who aren't participating in that today? What's wrong with you?

PS: I don't care if other people piss on Buckley, even in this thread. But I really can't stomach smearing people for not participating in that.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:59 AM
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20. Buckley Democrats
That's rich!

The Governor of Maine, a Democrat, recently created a "Reagan Day."
I thought it totally inappropriate and shared my thoughts with him.

You, not unlike the Gov., choose DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND as a venue for Buckley praise and ask what's wrong with ME?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:09 AM
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22. What's wrong with you smells like too much team spirit to me.
There's no doubt Buckley caused more harm than good in his life, from my perspective. But I wanted to use the occasion of his death to return him a favor he did, willingly and graciously, to someone who did far more good than harm during his life.

That's all that's going on here. No hagiography. No illusions about who or what Buckley stood for. No pretense that this one decent act of Buckley's represents his whole character. Just a note on his passing. Only a rank ideologue with scant human feeling would begrudge anyone such a small token of politesse.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:49 AM
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23. Autobahns/Volkswagens and small favors Good!

"But what was undeniably valuable was how he forced mid-century liberalism, so self-satisfied, to rethink many of its basic premises, grapple with inconvenient truths and harsh assessments, and emerge (in my opinion) stronger.'
--James Wolcott
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/blogs/wolcott

So, applying Wolcott's logic, when all's said and done Hitler was actually good for the Jews?

"There's no doubt Buckley caused more harm than good in his life, from my perspective. But I wanted to use the occasion of his death to return him a favor he did, willingly and graciously, to someone who did far more good than harm during his life."

That's all that's going on here. No hagiography. No illusions about who or what Hitler stood for. No pretense that this one decent act of Hitler's represents his whole character. Just a note on his passing. Only a rank ideologue with scant human feeling would begrudge anyone such a small token of politesse.

Does my edit change the picture for you? Neither Buckley nor Hitler were ALL bad but if, as you say, my feeling that I owe them no favors makes me "...a rank ideologue with scant human feeling..."
I shall happily wear that label as a badge of honor!


(Thanks for posting the Wolcott piece, sfexpat2000)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:15 PM
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24. I don't care how you feel about Buckley. I feel more or less the same.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 12:16 PM by BurtWorm
What I care about is your idiotic attempt to smear someone who has one measly nice thing to say about the motherfucker.

Bully for you that you can't say one nice thing about Buckley. :applause: :woohoo: :party:

Why do you give a shit that anyone might have one small nice thing to say about him? I repeat: What the fuck is wrong with you?

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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:48 PM
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25. Smear?

My "Fuck him!" post attacked no one at DU personally!
What has transpired says far more about you than it does about me.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:02 PM
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26. DU Buckleyites? Buckley Democrats?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 02:06 PM by BurtWorm
:hi:
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:47 PM
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27. Did you EVER play well with other kids?
Rather delicate sensitivities, BurtWorm, to say nothing of the timeline of those terms.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:10 AM
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21. Wolcott at Vanity Fair handled it this way:

Final Ascent

Given the melliflous, monotonous sonorities of William F. Buckley's later years (was any lion in winter this laidback?), it's difficult to recall the electric crackle that enveloped his appearances on TV and the debate stage during his early phenom years and beyond. He was the first to infuse punditry and opinion journalism with an ecclesiastical version of Method Acting. "Perhaps nowadays, young Buckley's rather special brand of polite impertinence would get lost among the all the coarser varieties--irreverence is a debased coin--but in the early fifties, Buckley carried, mutatis mutandis, some of the same postwar surprise value as a Marlon Brando or Jack Kerouac," Wilfrid Sheed observed in his review of John Judis' biography of Buckley (reprinted in the updated edition of Sheed's The Morning After.) Carrying his clipboard like a discus, Buckley slouched into the studio glare of the Jack Paar show or reposed on the set of David Susskind and uncoiled his cobra act, mesmerizing the audience and his antagonists with a battery of mannerisms, his eyes widening with a gleaming twinkle just before he went for the kill. He was a master of the tangential counterattack, to borrow a phrase from Manny Farber, not only removing the stuffing and mummy wrapping from modern conservatism but endowing it with a fizzy bonhomie that enabled him to entertain friendships with liberal foils such as John Kenneth Galbraith and others. Unlike a industrial-strength grievance collector such as Norman Podhoretz, Buckley didn't scrounge for opportunities to cast former friends and allies as enemies and infidels in order to play the role of injured party; he believed in the social emollients of courtesy, banter, and prompt drink refills during the intermission pauses between political jousting matches. His interrogation technique on Firing Line was a marvel of making a guest feel at ease before knocking him off his pedestal, his elaborate foreplay so stylized that it became a comic staple for impersonators ranging from David Frye to SCTV's Joe Flaherty, who didn't miss a trick conjuring Buckley's trademark deployment of fountain pen, flicking tongue, protruding rabbit teeth, sly grin, and reclining posture--his sitting in the interviewer's chair at such a steep incline that he nearly dropped out of camera frame.

Strictly as a writer, Buckley is unlikely to be remembered. He wrote too much, and he wrote by rote, producing hundreds of columns and editorial comments as if humming familiar tunes and authoring a series of spy novels intended more to keep boredom at bay than open up hidden doors in himself or release pent-up forces. Below the spiffy surface he declined to go. In 1971, The New Yorker caused a minor fuss by serializing Buckley's journals (later published in book form as Cruising Speed), an escorted tour through Buckley's social calendar whose chatty triviality and namedropping struck many as out of place in the magazine--a privileged slumming expedition. A decade later, The New Yorker serialized the sequel set of journals, Overdrive, which many thought might have been more aptly titled Autopilot. ("Tallulah Bankhead on Quaaludes" is how my friend Rhoda Koenig characterized Buckley's drawling rollout of vacuous superlatives in her mischievous review for Harper's.) As the magazine he founded, National Review, became more and more of a catapult platform for neoconservatism and a playpen for yahoos (gone were the intellectual sophistication and modernist forays by Hugh Kenner, D. Keith Mano, and Guy Davenport), he became a superannuated eminence, revered but irrelevant. His misgivings about the Iraq war fell snowflakes on a bunker mentality that now housed the likes of Michael Ledeen and Victor Davis Hanson.

Politically, his importance is large and enduring. As Spencer Ackerman correctly reckons at Washington Independent, "No William F. Buckley, no National Review; no National Review, no Goldwater movement; no Goldwater movement, no Ronald Reagan… and on and on. Naturally liberals will find much of Buckley’s legacy to be ultimately malign. But what was undeniably valuable was how he forced mid-century liberalism, so self-satisfied, to rethink many of its basic premises, grapple with inconvenient truths and harsh assessments, and emerge (in my opinion) stronger. What sort of ossification would have resulted had no one stood athwart history, yelling Stop?"

Standing athwart history yelling Stop! was the ringing phrase from National Review's mission statement. Yes, the modern conservative movement founded by National Review produced Goldwater, Reagan, the Gingrich revolution, and Bush II. But socially and culturally, it was impotent to stop the locomotive rush of history. It was on the ugly wrong side of the civil rights debate, as former senior editor Jeffrey Hart observes in his personal history of National Review, and the women's movement, gay liberation, the rise of the counterculture, and environmental consciousness have washed right over its paper-mache castle. National Review-style conservatism hasn't resulted in smaller, less obtrusive government, or a retrenchment from commitments abroad; it's degenerated into militaristic swagger and the Kabuki stomp of culture wars. To quote Ackerman again, "The decline of the right, and perhaps of America more generally, is summed up in the intellectual slouch from the heights of Buckley to the depths of Hewitt and Reynolds and Limbaugh and Coulter and Kristol and O’Reilly and Hannity and Bush," and John Cole, anticipating a bout of nausea coming on, cautions, "Watching the right-wing lunatics who destroyed conservatism wrapping themselves up in Buckley's cold, dead embrace over the next few weeks will be disgusting." Though it's already provided a dollop of comic relief.

February 27, 2008, 6:04 PM

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/blogs/wolcott
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:19 PM
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28. Folks are folks. "If you prick us, do we not bleed?" Problem is his wall of words.
He chose to build it. No one held a gun to his head. And he chose what to say with those words. Pro-segregation. Pro-apartheid. Pro-white supremacist. Anti-AIDS sufferers. Hate, hate, hate.

So much hate coming out of one human being.
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