Kimmel is f*king Ben Affleck -- and gays everywhere.

[pnwmom]

I loved Sarah Silverman's video, so I was prepared to enjoy Kimmel's response. Unfortunately, though some aspects (taking off on her humor) were funny, I ended up feeling more and more uneasy as I watched it. And it turns out I'm not the only one.

If you think the writer below is too sensitive, then ask yourself this: would it be funny to watch white actors put on blackface and make jokes about water-melon eating? If not, then why is it funny to watch straight actors ridiculing the idea of being gay?

I'm not linking to it, because I'd rather not spread it around further. But anyone who wants to view it can go to youtube and search for Kimmel + Affleck.

http://www.236.com/blog/w/jim_david/jimmy_kimmel_is_fking_ben_affl_4766.php

"Frst, Sarah Silverman made a hilarious music video for boyfriend Jimmy Kimmel called "I'm F***ing Matt Damon." Then Kimmel countered with a response called "I'm F***ing Ben Affleck," which upped the ante and became a "We Are The World" spoof, complete with cameos by Brad Pitt, Robin Williams, Josh Groban, Cameron Diaz, Huey Lewis, and many more. Both videos became huge YouTube hits.

"All the guest celebrities Kimmel gathered to sing an idiotic and obscene song is indeed a scream. And the very idea that Kimmel and Affleck are lovers is just a thigh slapping laugh riot. Everyone knows these two are as straight as John Wayne at a Texas barbecue, and most of America still thinks that two guys in love is a total joke.

"Kimmel and his writers, rested from being on strike, show their rejuvenated creativity by hauling out 25-year-old flaming fag stereotypes. They know a couple of certifiably straight stars pretending to be big queens will have them rolling in the aisles. So, they open with Kimmel and Affleck in an open-air bar populated by a shirtless West Hollywood harem. They stand at a bar with a blender and glass of what looks like a strawberry daiquiri, and on the bar sits a large bowl of fruit. Get it? Fruit. Get it? They're FRUITS. Get it?

"Affleck is wearing a tight green shiny spandex T-shirt, and Kimmel wears a leopard print scarf and what looks like a flesh colored body stocking displaying his prominent nipples. Then, we switch to a scene with the two on a bed wearing matching robes, and Ben is styling Jimmy's hair with a blow dryer. (Get it? Blowjob.) Then, Ben paints Jimmy's toenails. Everybody knows fags like to paint their toenails."

SNIP

[Bluebear]

1. And Affleck wants to run for office as a Democrat? hoo hah.

[pnwmom]

2. No, he'll have to run as a Rethug for Mayor of NYC n/t

[Mojambo]

3. Hmm. I didn't find it all that offensive.

I'll have to ask some of my gay and lesbian friends what they think.

[pnwmom]

6. That's the million dollar question.

But as the daughter of a gay father, I can say that it made me uncomfortable.

[Bluebear]

7. 'Affleck is wearing a tight green shiny spandex T-shirt....

and Kimmel wears a leopard print scarf and what looks like a flesh colored body stocking displaying his prominent nipples."

Disgusting.

[originalpckelly]

23. I know, I thought Ben Affleck would have better taste!

I would have preferred him to go shirtless! :P

[Bluebear]

24. NOW you're talking.

[Matariki]

26. And everyone knows, one Gay Friend (tm) can speak for all gays everywhere.

I'm just teasing ;-)

Hey, I'm bisexual, can I give you 1/2 an opinion?

[EOTE]

59. I thought it was absolutely hilarious.

And I don't think the black face analogy is a fair one. Straight actors play gay characters all the time and vice versa, yet it would still be offensive if a black man was portrayed by a white man in black face. There was nothing in that video that I think was really offensive. I think it could be comparable to a gay man joking about having sex with a woman. It's funny because it's out of character, not because they're denigrating being gay.

[qb]

4. Thanks for the recap. I never saw the video. You make a good point. nt

[originalpckelly]

13. Here is the video, make your own conclusions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUnqjmdSoOM

[qb]

31. Heterosexual humor? It thought it was idiotic. nt

[terrya]

5. I didn't see it...but the description sounds offensive to me.

Yes, those fags and the faggy things they do are ALWAYS good for a laugh.

[MadBadger]

8. I liked it...but I also like very un PC humor. Thats why my favorite comic is Lisa Lampanelli

[mondo joe]

9. I laughed, and so did my partner. I can see it causing some discomfort - but I think the thing

about these humor bits is that it always depends on both who's doing it and who's the audience.

I can think of many jokes that when told among other gays is funny, but if I heard a homophobesay the same would be offensive.

[pnwmom]

11. I don't think any of the actors involved in this are homophobes,

so I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.

My first reaction to the video was that it was obvious parody, and the people involved had good intentions.

Still . . . I'm thinking about the broader audience that is watching it on youtube -- plenty of homophobes in there. Is it helpful to fuel their stereotypes, even with obvious parody?

[mondo joe]

14. I appreciate your points. I just went with my gut, which said it was funny.

It also appeared with praise on the gay blogs I read, though I'm sure there are others that will disagree.

I tend to have a lot of flexibility on humor. A lot more than I have on politics.

[Bluebear]

16. The painting toenails thing hacked me off right off the bat.

This is the straight man's view of what we are. I wouldn't picket Kimmel's studio over it, but I do think it was a cheap stereotype-fest.

[mondo joe]

17. That was the cheapest humor of the whole thing, I concur. But on the whole

I still laughed a lot. And to tell the truth, they weren't really more of a stereotype than a lot of gay guys I've seen - especially once you get to the Folsom Street Fair grounds.

:blush:

[Bluebear]

18. There's the rub...

America doesn't see me at home in my briefs, scratching my legs and watching the Red Sox on TV.

Which is fortunate for America, but you get my drift.

[mondo joe]

20. I have an odd family constellation - two dads and two moms, coparenting two kids.

We used to joke that we'd end up on Oprah. But we realized that we were way too boring for that, despite the unusual configuration.

So yeah - most of us are invisible because we don't conform to easy stereotypes. At least not on a daily basis.

[Behind the Aegis]

69. scratching your...legs?

Umm-huh. Whatever. :evilgrin:

I did see the video, it was kinda stupid. But, I will put up a youTube vid should I ever be "fucking Ben affleck!" :)

[kwenu]

19. It seems to be at least a portion of the gay community's view too.

So none of that ever happens in the gay community? I work in an area of my town near the entertainment district which has several gay bars and the posters they hang in the windows make the Kimmel video look tame in comparison but perhaps you don't go to gay bars.

[Bluebear]

21. No, I don't go to gay bars. Happily partnered for 22 years & boring as hell.

I don't even know what the "gay community" is.

My problem is that we never see any other "portion" of being gay other than the stereotypical in the media.

[pnwmom]

30. Right. There is a lot more to the gay community than what's in the stereotypes.

[kwenu]

87. I don't really agree.

I don't really agree with you that no other aspect of the gay community is portrayed in the media. I can think of several shows that are hardly stereotypical but that's not my point. Kimmel was trying to be funny. That's what he does. What is funny about being "happily partnered for 22 years & boring as hell." I am deeply respectful of your long relationship but it doesn't sound particularly entertaining for a TV skit. The thread sounds maybe a bit too sensitive to me but you're entitled to your opinion.

[pnwmom]

29. Welcome to DU! n/t

[Missy Vixen]

25. Were you also offended by Kevin Costner's painting Susan Sarandon's toenails in "Bull Durham"?

Just wondering.
Julie

[Bluebear]

27. Never saw it

[DU9598]

10. Thank you

I thought perhaps I was the only person to find this very stereotypical and offensive. I was disappointed by the skit, to say the least.

[originalpckelly]

12. I thought it was funny as hell!

People need to stop taking themselves so seriously, it's called fucking humor for a reason.

[pnwmom]

28. I'm not gay myself,

but I wouldn't tell any gay person who WAS offended by this not to take themselves so seriously.

And, as a mother, I'm wondering if this kind of thing might be hurtful to teenagers who were struggling with their identity.

[Malmo Blue]

15. Lance Bass

Lance Bass appears in the video, and he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Bass#Coming_out">came out in 2006.

[originalpckelly]

22. I know, although we all *knew* he was gay before that!

:P

[Sabriel]

32. It reminded me of the scene in Ace Ventura

Ace realizes the woman he smooched was actually a man, and he of course overreacts...using a plunger on his mouth, torching his clothes, squeezing an entire tube of toothpaste in his mouth.

The hyperbole is SO overdone that you have to realize he's satirizing that very overreaction from homophobes.

On the other hand, as a poster mentioned upthread, people seeing Jim Carrey in that scene may get the entirely wrong message from it. Is it humor, or is it yet another negative media portrayal?

[alittlelark]

33. I searched up the vid's on YouTube...

I gotta say... they were funny!! Silvermans' vid is better, but the Affleck one was cute too.

Aside from the toenail painting I don't understand the offense.

[pnwmom]

34. Does it give you pause to know that the Freepers are laughing at it too?

That thought makes me a little queasy.

[rch35]

35. oh no! some freepers liked it!

I know one that has all the Lord of the Rings extended editions on DVD! NO MORE TOLKEIN!

And another one i know has all the Beatles CD's! NO MORE BEATLES!

[pnwmom]

36. Do you really think Freepers are that enlightened?

Liking the Beatles is not the same as liking a video that could be seen as making fun of gay people.

[rch35]

64. I don;t know if it is "enlightened" but that is a real friend of mine im talking about

just because they like something, doesn't make it bad.

[alittlelark]

38. Their laughter is of the 'uncomfortable' variety.

They are turned on, feeling good, and therefore must dismiss the feelings or wrap themselves in DEFENSIVENESS.

[pnwmom]

39. Maybe their laughter is of the "feeling superior" variety. n/t

[mondo joe]

45. Honestly, it doesn't bother me personally.

I just still think it's funny. And I don't want to not be able to take a joke.

[Lorien]

86. I think the toenail painting was a reference to a scene in Bull Durham

I didn't see the parody as a commentary on homosexuality. The humor came from the absurd notion that unattractive and doughy Kimmel could be paired with a hottie like Afflack. Afflack's shiny shirt and Kimmel's bare chest just accentuated that point, imho.

[XOKCowboy]

37. Are you serious? It's fucking comedy.

It was funny. It didn't demean gays. I mean come on. Jimmy Kimmel without a shirt on has to be disgusting to just about anybody. I'm surprised Sarah Silverman can sleep with him. That alone makes it satire.

I'm sorry but I think that you're taking this a little too seriously.

[pnwmom]

40. I'm curious. Are you saying this as a gay guy who thinks this is fine,

or a straight guy who thinks it's fine?

I myself will be happier when the media depiction of gays goes beyond the stereotypes into the broad range of behavior that really exists in the community -- just as broad a range as among straights.

[6000eliot]

41. I'm gay, and I think it's fine.

Both of these guys are publicly pro-gay, and it's just a joke. I laughed.

[pnwmom]

43. Do you ever get tired of the one-sided depictions of gays

in the media?

It seems to me that gays are just fine with the MSM, and an increasing number of Americans, as long as they're cute/silly, dressed well, funny, and . . . harmless.

Does the media have to portray the silly side all the time so that people aren't afraid of them? Or what's up with that? Because the gay men I know through my dad aren't anything like the ones I usually see depicted on TV.

[polticalpout]

42. Wow, if you thought this was offensive better not watch Family Guy, /nm

nm

[Dorian Gray]

56. Seriously!

I thought the Ben Affleck vid was sort of funny, but nowhere near as funny as the original.

I don't find it offensive, but if gay males do, then I'm sorry they were hurt by it.

[tomreedtoon]

44. Well, Kimmel does racist Mexican jokes every night.

You ever see his "parking lot attendant" Guiermo? If I were Hispanic, I'd organize a picket of the show just for those stale, unfunny jokes played with his character. It makes the stuff done on Amos 'n' Andy look tasteful by comparison.

Kimmel claims those jokes are fair game because he has some Mexican heritage. That reminds me of Martin Mull praising Paul Rodriguez for "tapping the wellspring of comedy by making fun of one's own people, making him the envy of every non-Mexican comic. I wish I could get away with telling jokes like...how does a Mexican know he's hungry? His ass stops burning...but that's your territory, Paul, I won't step in it."

So if he does that to people he's related to, why should Kimmel hesitate to make stupid and inappropriate gay jokes?

And since he used the F Word a thousand times in that video/song, bleeping it but making it clear what word it is, he should have called down the wrath of the FCC, if not ABC Standards and Practices.

Don't hate Kimmel because he's racist, sexist and foul-mouthed. Those are all symptoms of something far worse. Jimmy Kimmel is a hack comic.

[RandomKoolzip]

47. It's spelled "Guillermo."

[tomreedtoon]

60. Thanks. I thought there was an "L" in it somewhere.

But then, watching Kimmel's show is L all by itself.

I just think that Kimmel has that fratboy sense of invulnerability and lack of responsibility that's behind a lot of bad comedy. This video of his sticks a toe over the line. If he keeps it up, somebody - probably the FCC while Bush still runs it - is going to chop off his whole foot.

[pnwmom]

50. I've never seen Kimmel before. First and probably last experience.

But I don't hate him. Just have better things to do with my time.

[theboss]

46. Those homophobes Joan Jett, Lance Bass, and Robin Williams....

At some point, you need to own the stereotypes in order to point out the absurdities in them.

[stanwyck]

63. Why I have a soft spot for Joan Jett

when my son, a Marine, was first sent overseas after completing infantry training, Joan Jett and her band performed at his base in Okinawa. He said Joan played on an outdoor stage for over 3 hours in the broiling sun. When finished, she and the band stayed for another hour to talk to the Marines. Plus, my son said "she's in really good shape, Mom. And she's YOUR age!"

[fascisthunter]

48. give me a break... (nt)

[debbierlus]

49. Hmmm...So you were fine with Kimmel when he became famous for he most degrading show to women on tv

But leave gays alone...

He is a pig.

The Man's Show was disgusting, sexist, and insulting to every female on the planet. I was outraged that this putz got a regular late night talk show off of that crap.

Now, you are surprised he would do something in poor taste surrounding gays? You set yourself by watching the idiot.

[pnwmom]

51. Nope. I'd never even heard of Kimmel before. I didn't know Silverman

either, actually -- I hardly watch TV at all. But I ran across her video, and I thought it was funny, so I watched his follow-up.

[Dorian Gray]

57. I'm a female

and I didn't think the Man Show was that awful. (The Kimmel/Corrolla version. The one with Stanhope and the other guy was very disturbing to me.) I think because neither Kimmel or Corolla seem like hateful people, it came across as very tongue in cheek.

(Their replacements seems very misogynistic and hateful toward women.)

I, of course, know not every woman will feel the way I do. I didn't watch it regularly, but I did see a few episodes of it. It never bothered me.

[RoadRage]

76. Another female who totally agrees..

The Man Show wasn't all that bad IMO.. some parts of it were funny. The hot stripper chicks thrown in for good measure - well guess what.. it's a GUYS show. I just roll my eyes at parts of it, but if you spend your whole life getting worked up over this kind of crap, you're just shorting yourself.

[RoadRage]

77. Delete

Delete.. wrong area

[Dorian Gray]

82. I'm glad that there is another female who agrees with me!

I was afraid that I'd be denounced as a closet Republican for not hating The Man Show! :)

[knitter4democracy]

52. I would've been more offended if everyone in the video had acted disgusted.

Instead, they all acted like a relationship between two guys was totally normal. Which it is. Ben wasn't all grossed out, and no one acted like anything was wrong. Yeah, they went for some easy jokes, but I thought it was more in response to the easy jokes that Sarah and Matt did in their video (the red lit bar thing, the refrain of all the places they'd had sex, etc.).

It's a song celebrating the love between two men. Is that a horribly wrong thing?

[pnwmom]

53. Good point. Me, too.

And no, my gay father taught me it wasn't a "horribly wrong thing."

[knitter4democracy]

54. I'll take any portrayal that shows LBGT love as normal.

Though, it would've been better if Ben had taken off that hideous shirt. ;)

[pnwmom]

55. Yes, I would definitely have preferred him

shirtless.

The whole thing with gays and clothes, I've never related to. My father had the fashion sense of a turtle, and his partner isn't any better.

[knitter4democracy]

61. It is an odd stereotype.

When I think of all my GLBT friends, they just seem like all of my other friends--some were great fashion mavens, others wore the same basics day in, day out. That's the thing I keep trying to tell my kids--people are people, the same underneath it all the world over.

[BoneDaddy]

58. Everyone be offended about everything

and lets get this over with once and for all.

[williesgirl]

62. I saw it and laughed my ass off. Have gay relatives and friends and they laughed too. Why can't

folks lighten up a little? I don't get offended at "aging" jokes, I laugh with them. Don't get offended at "Irish drunk" jokes, even though I'm Irish.

We're becoming a nation of people with zero sense of humor. This is a talk show with emphasis on comedy. Late at night. If you don't like it, make sure not to tune in again. Period. End of story. Flame away.

[BoneDaddy]

73. Well said

I am so offended by the offended... That was a joke.

[Chovexani]

65. Why am I not surprised these two assholes are dating

As far as I'm concerned, Sarah Silverpig and Jimmy Kibble deserve each other. Two unfunny hacks who have to rely on shocking/offending people because they're incapable of real humor.

They can't even get their shock schtick right. The ghost of Bill Hicks needs to school these clowns.

[DS1]

67. I happen to think Jimmy is a very quick wit

However, I feel nothing for Sarah Silverman.

[Chovexani]

68. About the only reaction I have to Kimmel

Is the urge to deck him in the face. :P

[MrCoffee]

79. The ghost of Bill Hicks wouldn't have anything to do with either of them

Unfunny fucks.


Although I did laugh at the videos, and Sarah Silverman's Arsitocrats is not terrible. It's not as good as Bob Saget's but it's not terrible.

[DS1]

66. It's also a play on Ben Affleck being a step behind Matt Damon

but, I guess that aspect got overlooked.

[matcom]

83. only the humor impaired my friend, only the humor impaired

:eyes:

[mattfromnossa]

70. It's wrong

"If you think the writer below is too sensitive, then ask yourself this: would it be funny to watch white actors put on blackface and make jokes about water-melon eating? If not, then why is it funny to watch straight actors ridiculing the idea of being gay?"

No, that would be offensive and an uproar would ensue. But for other groups (such as homosexuals) it is perfectly acceptable. :banghead:

[Neshanic]

71. It's hysterical, and I was not offended.

[Orsino]

72. I didn't notice anything that offended me.

Predicated as it was on the Silverman-Damon video, it just seemed like the perfect topper, employing Affleck only because of his association with Damon.

But I try not to tell anyone else what shouldn't offend.

[matcom]

74. Funny as hell and very well done

loved it

[RoadRage]

75. Two of my girlfriends are lesbians... they both thought

It was funny as hell. But, they're also voting for Obama and aren't on the McClurkin hate bandwagon - so it's possible they take this (and a lot of other things) with a grain of salt that some people can't do.

As one of them said.. half of the gay and lesbian people we know sit around waiting for something to get offended by.. we just let it go.

Note- my lesbian friend Kel said that, not me.

[RoadRage]

78. It somewhat reminds me of the Wayne Brady / Dave Chappell Skit..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH8OsmFT9Dw

I realize that Wayne & Dave really ARE black, so perhaps parodying blacks as "sterotypical" is OK if you're black.. and Afflack & Kimmel would only be able to get away with this if they WERE Gay..

But to me, it's the same thing. No one was trying to harm anyone with sterotypes.. if anything they just showed how rediculous they were. Same with this video.. and frankly, I think both are funny.

But, i'm a straight white female, so i'm sure i'm not even allowed to have an opinion or think this is at all funny - it's against the rules, and i obviously hate homosexuals by admitting this. :eyes:

[GoreVidalIsGod]

80. Very cute.

[Breeze54]

81. and Ben is styling Jimmy's hair with a blow dryer. (Get it? Blowjob.)

So THAT's what that meant! I seriously didn't even think of THAT!! :silly:

I thought the skit was 'sort of funny' but I think I did groan a bit too.

I can't stand Kimmel anyway and rarely watch his 'show'. He's a sexist pig.

I liked Silverman's video though! That was a hoot! :P

[MrCoffee]

84. I thought it was a "gay hairdresser" thing

I never would have gotten a blowjob from a hair dryer.














I crack myself up.

[Breeze54]

85. So did I !

:rofl: