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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:23 PM
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Is Pelosi growing a spine?
This from AP...

WASHINGTON - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi asked the Justice Department on Thursday to open a grand jury investigation into whether President Bush's chief of staff and former counsel should be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.

Pelosi, D-Calif., demanded that the department pursue misdemeanor charges against former White House counsel Harriet Miers for refusing to testify to Congress about the firings of federal prosecutors in 2006 and against chief of staff Josh Bolten for failing to turn over White House documents related to the dismissals.

She gave Attorney General Michael Mukasey one week to respond and said refusal to take the matter to a grand jury will result in the House's filing a civil lawsuit against the Bush administration.

The White House branded the request as "truly contemptible." The Justice Department had no immediate comment. The top House Republican called it "a partisan political stunt" and "a complete waste of time," according to a spokesman.

The Democratic-controlled House voted two weeks ago to hold Bolten and Miers in contempt for failing to cooperate with committee investigations.

"There is no authority by which persons may wholly ignore a subpoena and fail to appear as directed because a president unilaterally instructs them to do so," Pelosi wrote Mukasey. She noted that Congress subpoenaed Miers to appear before the House Judiciary Committee, which is investigating the firings.

"Surely, your department would not tolerate that type of action if the witness were subpoenaed to a federal grand jury," Pelosi wrote.

She added: "Short of a formal assertion of executive privilege, which cannot be made in this case, there is no authority that permits a president to advise anyone to ignore a duly issued congressional subpoena for documents."

Pelosi sent an additional letter to U.S. Attorney Jeff Taylor, the chief federal prosecutor for the District of Columbia, whose office would oversee the grand jury. The letters point to sections of federal law that require the Justice Department to bring the House contempt citations before a grand jury to investigate.

At the White House, spokesman Tony Fratto said House Democrats "have been trying to redefine the notion of contempt and they succeeded."

Both Fratto and House GOP leader John Boehner said the House should focus on passing legislation allowing the government to more easily eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists.

"Rather than passing critical national security legislation, they continue to squander time on partisan hijinx," Fratto said. Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said "this sort of pandering to the left-wing fever swamps of loony liberal activists does nothing to make America safer."

The Justice Department historically has resisted directing its prosecutors to enforce congressional subpoenas against White House officials. Fratto referred questions to the department and noted the agency "has longstanding views on this question, which they have repeated recently."

The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. John Conyers, said he hoped Pelosi's demand would spur the department to "put the partisan manipulation of our system of justice behind it" and take the issue to a grand jury. "To do otherwise would turn on its head the notion that we are all equally accountable under the law," said Conyers, D-Mich.

The letter was the latest chapter in a yearlong saga that began with the firings of nine federal prosecutors and led to Alberto Gonzales' resignation as attorney general last August.

The House voted 223-32 this month to hold Miers and Bolten in contempt for failing to cooperate with an inquiry into whether the prosecutors' firings were politically motivated. Angry Republicans boycotted the vote and staged a walkout in an unusually bitter scene even for the fractious House.

At the time, the Bush administration was no less harsh, saying the information sought by the House was off-limits under executive privilege and that Bolten and Miers were immune from prosecution. The White House said the department would not ask the U.S. attorney to pursue the House contempt charges.

It was the first time in 25 years that a full chamber of Congress voted on a contempt of Congress citation. The White House pointed out that it was the first time that such action had been taken against top White House officials who had been instructed by the president to remain silent to preserve executive privilege.

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Associated Press writer Laurie Kellman contributed to this report.

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:24 PM
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1. She grows it and loses it repeatedly depending on if DU agrees with her.
:)
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:27 PM
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8. Lizards do the same thing when they lose their tails.
:dem:
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:58 PM
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19. First time I've noticed your Nick
and I really love it. :)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:34 PM
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2. Mukasey already told Congress DoJ's position: "fuck off. no way."
That's basically what he told House Judiciary when asked if his DoJ would pursue and prosecute the case.

Another "strongly worded letter" ... but who knows? At least she put a short time frame on the request,
so maybe there's hope she'll fight this and expose the matter for what it is, obstruction of justice and
contempt of congress.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:36 PM
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3. She has to grow it if she wishes to keep her House seat. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:23 PM
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7. You seriously believe her house seat is in danger?
:eyes:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:34 PM
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10. Yes, I do. There seems to be a very credible person running in the Democratic primary for
Pelosi's seat. Her name is Shirley Golub. One must remember that Pelosi represents very Liberal San Francisco and that her constituency has not been too pleased with her recent track record.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2907069
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:29 PM
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12. Dream on
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 PM by MonkeyFunk
Pelosi hasn't won with less than 80% of the vote in 17 years. She's never won with less than 75%.

And what makes Golub credible? What has she done besides make a video?

And do you even understand the idiocy of her running on a platform to impeach Bush? If she were to be elected, Bush's term would be over.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:01 PM
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4. They can torture, use rendition,lie us into war,ignore dying
Katrina victims,use federal judges to pressure candidates,then fire the ones who won't comply,leave

our most dreaded enemy alone when he is cornered in Bora Bora,establish free speech zones and

enforce loyalty pledges to view Republican stump speeches,deny American children health care while

unaccounting for $2billion in Iraq,abuse our armed forces by not preparing and equipping them well

enough in field,extending their tours of duty, then bringing them back to the conditions of

squalor at Walter Reed.

Sickened and incredulous at the republican lack of memory or shame, we see accountability is something they feel is not for them either.....

Criminals unfettered believe they are entitled.

Have we lost the three equal branches of government established to serve the public ?

Yes. When subpoenas are side stepped and Congressional oversight obstructed,they are gone along with the state of equal justice that was the United States of America.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:15 AM
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16. Agreed. "They" haven't served the public in who knows how many decades
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:17 PM
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5. No...
A spine would be impeaching those asshats at the top, not getting their shit for brains subordinates on misdemeanor charges.
Duckie
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:22 PM
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6. Duly noted. And an excellent point!
I'm glad she actually went this far. Surprised is more like it, actually. But it's not NEARLY far enough.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:39 AM
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17. Thank you for pointing this out.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:28 PM
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9. "pursue misdemeanor charges..."
Of course not. That's just the beginnings of the hump she's growing, even as Pinocchio's nose grew longer with every lie he told, and for the same reason.

And what's with this misdemeanor nonsense? Are they going to take away Miers' TV privileges for a week? Make Bolton stand in a corner? Give them both a severe tongue lashing?

Or maybe Nancy will settle for another strongly worded letter, followed by an apology for being off her meds for the afternoon.

Jesus Christ! Will these appeasing assholes never get it right? Who the hell do they think they're dealing with? Honorable men of good will with normal human consciences?

Nancy and the rest of these weasels have maybe six more months to demonstrate to American voters that they deserve more than that 16 percent approval rating. Will they rise to the occasion? If past behavior predicts future actions, I'd have to bet against this congress doing anything useful for the remainder of their terms in office.

I only hope Pelosi gets her ass kicked all the way to Oakland by Ms. Golub, and an actual progressive teaches this DLC fraud the facts of life on the left side of the aisle.

However, the article does contain one priceless nugget: "...this sort of pandering to the left-wing fever swamps of loony liberal activists does nothing to make America safer."

Wow! It's the reincarnation of Spiro "nattering nabobs of negativism" Agnew.


wp
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:36 PM
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11. Pelosi a spine???? As soon as I quit laughing I'll respond!
She and Reid only pretend to have spines. They're the most useless "leaders" of ANY party at ANY time, so of course they have to make a little noise every now and then to try to fool us into thinking they're worth a damn, which of course, we all know they're not. If they had a spine we would have been over and done with the impeachment proceedings by now instead of still being lorded over by the most corrupt and unpopular president in history. Pelosi is about a useful to us as a bicycle is to a fish.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:35 PM
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13. Pelosi & Reid sqiuck like mice then scurry away.
They are afraid of the big bad Busholini.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:52 AM
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14. I'd be happy with a notochord. Can we at least get a notochord there? (nt)
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:25 AM
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15. we mustn't confuse a "cuttlebone" for an actual spine.
they operate on two very distinct levels... ;)
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:09 AM
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18. No!!
But she is trying to improve her posture.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:00 PM
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20. step by step, the process of oversight of criminals unfolds
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:02 PM
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21. To answer your question, no, it's a ploy
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:03 PM
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22. Laying the groundwork
This can give grounds for impeachment by creating an instant of acting in a fashion that is a "High Crime or Misdemeanor".
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